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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:58 PM Aug 2015

GRAPHIC CONTENT: Stella McCartney drops sick wool supplier which skins sheep ALIVE

Source: Express

GRAPHIC CONTENT: Stella McCartney drops sick wool supplier which skins sheep ALIVE

STELLA McCartney has dropped her wool supplier after horrific video footage exposed extreme animal cruelty on sheep farms in Argentina.

By Selina Sykes
PUBLISHED: 22:05, Fri, Aug 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 23:42, Fri, Aug 14, 2015

The highly disturbing video revealed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) shows graphic abuse on "sustainable" wool farms run by Ovis 21, which also supply the British designer and clothes company Patagonia.

The wool, which audacious producers claim is responsibly sourced is also sold in John Lewis and Snow and Rock chains, stocking the Patagonia clothing line. John Lewis said it had raised concerns with the brand.

The gruesome video shows workers sawing through lambs' necks and then watching them bleed, vomit and flail her legs in desperation.

Shearers are also seen snapping animals' necks, kneeling on conscious lambs, stamping on sheep's legs and cutting parts of their ears and tails off, as other terrified animals watch.

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/598508/Stella-McCartney-sheep-wool-supplier

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GRAPHIC CONTENT: Stella McCartney drops sick wool supplier which skins sheep ALIVE (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2015 OP
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth should be applied to these inhumane savages. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #1
Not even the decency to kill it first. Good fucking lord. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #2
If nothing else, you'd think the job would be easier if the animal were dead. . . Journeyman Aug 2015 #3
People who do this should Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #4
I hope if there are cruelty LiberalElite Aug 2015 #5
WaitDumb question But I thought getting wool from the sheep wasn't harmful to them. diabeticman Aug 2015 #6
Getting wool from sheep doesn't harm them FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #9
PETA's agenda is to stop the use of ALL animal products TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #11
Unfortunately, you're wrong. ET Awful Aug 2015 #15
I see nothing but some poor Photo shop work. imthevicar Aug 2015 #7
I support any humans in the world who seek to protect those who cannot find help Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #12
That's not wool. Wool you just shear the sheep and send them on their way. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #8
Video shows sheep being 'mutilated, punched and skinned alive' by farm workers Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #10
sick! Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #13
movie 21 :Livestock farming of the future, today._ contact page Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #14
Sick? Evil. jwirr Aug 2015 #16
Whatever its flaws, PETA does a helluva lot of good. Nt JudyM Aug 2015 #17
I don't trust anything from PETA, they don't give a damn about the truth. Little Tich Aug 2015 #18
You're a cat lover. You don't trust that Peta uses the court system to save usa cats from this? Sunlei Aug 2015 #22
I don't like laboratory experiments on animals, but I don't trust PETA either. Little Tich Aug 2015 #24
Not sure using a PETA website to defend PETA is very convincing. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #27
I appreciate the hundreds of horrible places Peta has shut down, using our legal processes. Sunlei Aug 2015 #28
PETA's own accounts of their accomplishments is not convincing. Sorry. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #29
Some people don't care about stopping grievous, horrific animal abuse as much as others. Sunlei Aug 2015 #33
Making up stuff doesn't help and actually hurts the cause. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #34
That's your opinion. I'm thankful Peta stands up and does what they can to help. Sunlei Aug 2015 #37
Not all just my opinion. PETA ranks low compared to other animal welfare orgs. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #41
I don't get it- people are against fur/leather, but then they wear wool? ncjustice80 Aug 2015 #19
Wool can be harvested awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #42
Doesn't make sense - wool is not from skinned animals yellowcanine Aug 2015 #20
some types of 'wool' used in some fashion clothes are attached to the skin/hide of the animal. Sunlei Aug 2015 #25
Off topic though, this is about "sustainable wool" for Patagonia, etc. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #26
Corps like to use the words, sustainable, organic, humane on their products. They refrain from ment Sunlei Aug 2015 #36
Something about this doesn't make any sense Marrah_G Aug 2015 #21
Validity must be check dembotoz Aug 2015 #23
PETA compared to other animal welfare charities (Charity Navigator) yellowcanine Aug 2015 #30
I cannot watch this as I have fiber goats. kaiden Aug 2015 #31
Perhaps the video was heavily edited. yellowcanine Aug 2015 #32
you can see by the posts many people don't realize some wool is from skins & some sheep 'farms' Sunlei Aug 2015 #38
That's really cool, I didn't know there were 'fiber goats'. Is their wool like alpaca wool? Sunlei Aug 2015 #39
There are two breeds: kaiden Aug 2015 #43
WTF. Wool is from sheared sheep, not skinned sheep. Someone needs to go to jail. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #35
Since watching a film about animal raised corporately, I cannot continue to watch... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #40
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. People who do this should
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:12 PM
Aug 2015

have the word "monster" tatooed on their face as a warning to others what they are capable of.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
5. I hope if there are cruelty
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:14 PM
Aug 2015

laws in Argentina they can be used against these bastards. However, before we all get on our high horses in outrage, in our own country farm animals are pretty much unprotected.

http://aldf.org/resources/advocating-for-animals/farmed-animals-and-the-law/

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
6. WaitDumb question But I thought getting wool from the sheep wasn't harmful to them.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:21 PM
Aug 2015

I remember my friends farm they had 1/2 dozen sheep The friend's father would shave the wool off then send them field. They seemed to enjoy how they felt after the cut. leaping.

Am I missing something?


I can't get the link open.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,204 posts)
11. PETA's agenda is to stop the use of ALL animal products
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:42 PM
Aug 2015

Even things like wool that are harvested without harming the animals.

That being said, the farm in question may supply sheepskin as well as wool. In any case, there is absolutely no excuse for inhumane slaughter or animal cruelty. Like leather, sheepskin is usually a byproduct of meat production.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
15. Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:24 PM
Aug 2015

In large scale operations, shearing sheep very often cause severe cuts, etc. Not with small scale farmers, as they actually care about their animals in most cases.

Hell, even the SPCA acknowledges that sheep can be injured in the process. http://kb.rspca.org.au/what-are-the-animal-welfare-issues-with-shearing-of-sheep_603.html

I haven't watched this particular video yet, but I've actually seen live shearing of sheep and seen the cuts and injuries it produces.

With large scale operations, they are trying to move very quickly and injuries are highly probable. It might come as a shock to you, but any time you put a metal cutting device near skin, the potential for injury exists.

You might want to do some research before you spout blanket statements.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
7. I see nothing but some poor Photo shop work.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:33 PM
Aug 2015

Peta lost all it's cred when it pushed it's no Kill shelters that killed all too quickly.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
12. I support any humans in the world who seek to protect those who cannot find help
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:05 PM
Aug 2015

to end their suffering.

People who attempt to smear groups like this should take a deep look at their own lack of concern for helpless, suffering, mute creatures who have absolutely no one to come to their aid at the hands of true monsters.

Sad there are people who see love and caring and respect for sentient beings as weakness.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. That's not wool. Wool you just shear the sheep and send them on their way.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:37 PM
Aug 2015

Now if they're using sheepskins , then you have to kill the sheep but why go through all that.
Something isn't right here.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
10. Video shows sheep being 'mutilated, punched and skinned alive' by farm workers
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:29 PM
Aug 2015

Video shows sheep being 'mutilated, punched and skinned alive' by farm workers
Marty Graham
Friday 14 August 2015

Animal rights activists have released footage of farm workers in Argentina slashing lambs with knives, prompting an outdoor clothing maker Patagonia Inc to apologise and launch an investigation into the practices of one of its suppliers.

The graphic four-minute video, published by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), was allegedly filmed in the Ovis 21 farm network, which provides merino wool used in Patagonia's base layers and insulation.

It shows cruel treatment of lambs and sheep, including castration and the docking of tails. Some lambs are stabbed in the neck with knives, and at least one is skinned while apparently still alive.

Clothing company Patagonia, which highlights its commitment to sustainability and responsible sourcing, said in a statement the footage was "as disturbing as anything PETA puts out."

More:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/video-shows-sheep-being-mutilated-punched-and-skinned-alive-by-farm-workers-10455986.html

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
18. I don't trust anything from PETA, they don't give a damn about the truth.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:40 PM
Aug 2015

Look at the picture of the sheared sheep for example, it's so badly sheared that the one who did probably got sacked on the spot. Mulesing of lambs is a common practice in some areas to prevent flystrike, and while there are alternatives, they are not easy to implement. The pictures don't prove a thing, unfortunately.

Perhaps if there were some reputable source (as in not PETA) for this alleged case of animal cruelty?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. You're a cat lover. You don't trust that Peta uses the court system to save usa cats from this?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:51 AM
Aug 2015

Took 3 years but no one else cared to 'fight' through the legal system to help these cats.

http://www.peta.org/features/uw-madison-cruelty/

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
24. I don't like laboratory experiments on animals, but I don't trust PETA either.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:30 AM
Aug 2015

This is obviously an example when PETA has been involved in a genuine case of animal cruelty, but too often PETA has tried to exaggerate things beyond recognition. Unfortunately, they're simply not reliable.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. I appreciate the hundreds of horrible places Peta has shut down, using our legal processes.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:02 AM
Aug 2015

Many quite recently like the 'Madison cat lab' cats kept alive for months with steel headgear bolted into their skulls. The link in the post you just answered.

Peta also shut down some of our military medical 'training' recently.

live animals torn-up and broken, held down so combat medics can 'practice' combat trauma 'field work' on a screaming, living, bleeding body.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
29. PETA's own accounts of their accomplishments is not convincing. Sorry.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:13 AM
Aug 2015

No matter how many times you repeat them.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. Some people don't care about stopping grievous, horrific animal abuse as much as others.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:28 AM
Aug 2015

IMO, Kind of like republicans that tar 'everything Obama' with the same brush.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
34. Making up stuff doesn't help and actually hurts the cause.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:35 AM
Aug 2015

PETA has little credibility left and they rank lower than other animal welfare charities so your "some people don't care" is simply not true.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
41. Not all just my opinion. PETA ranks low compared to other animal welfare orgs.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:10 PM
Aug 2015
Charity Name & State:Overall Score (100% max):Overall Rating (5 stars max)

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (VA): 72.38: 2 stars

PetSmart Charities (AZ): 94.81: 4 stars

Alley Cat Allies (MD): 93.14: 4 stars

The Humane Society of the United States(DC): 86.43: 3 stars

Last Chance for Animals (CA): 91.74: 4 stars

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4314#.Vc88KPlViko

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
20. Doesn't make sense - wool is not from skinned animals
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:36 AM
Aug 2015

This is looking more and more like a setup by PETA to me. How do we know where and when the video was taken and if it is one video or an amalgamation of videos from different sources/times?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. some types of 'wool' used in some fashion clothes are attached to the skin/hide of the animal.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:35 AM
Aug 2015

It's an industry. here's a link so you can see over 1,000 items for sale to wholesalers. plenty are made from newborn lambs wool/with skins. even some dog and cat 'trimmed' fur items in there for cuffs and hood trims, toys and by the way those trims and toys are allowed in the usa without label of course.

http://www.alibaba.com/Animal-Fur_pid100000937


you can see items like this-

"
KLP07 Top Quality Curly Kalgan Lamb Fur Skin Plate FOB Price:
Get Latest Price, Min.Order Quantity:
50 Piece/Pieces Samples are available
Supply Ability:
5000 Piece/Pieces per Month


http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/KLP07-Top-Quality-Curly-Kalgan-Lamb_60075226724.html?spm=a2700.7724856.35.1.Hoa2UY












yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
26. Off topic though, this is about "sustainable wool" for Patagonia, etc.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:49 AM
Aug 2015
The highly disturbing video revealed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) shows graphic abuse on "sustainable" wool farms run by Ovis 21, which also supply the British designer and clothes company Patagonia.

Lambskins are not even "wool" by anyone's (except perhaps PETA) definition, let alone "sustainable wool."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
36. Corps like to use the words, sustainable, organic, humane on their products. They refrain from ment
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:40 AM
Aug 2015

Corps refrain from mentioning with these 10,000- 100,000 sheep 'farms' what happens to old sheep, what happens to the offspring of those wool sheep.

They don't just clip the wool off twice a year 'sustainable', they breed them and use the offspring as a $$ 'product' too. In Corp talk, if those sheep eat just grass and breed, produce offspring. that operation is 'sustainable'.

sus·tain·a·ble
/səˈstānəb(ə l/
adjective
adjective: sustainable
1. able to be maintained at a certain rate or level.
"sustainable fusion reactions"
•conserving an ecological balance by avoiding depletion of natural resources.
"our fundamental commitment to sustainable development"

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
21. Something about this doesn't make any sense
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:47 AM
Aug 2015

You don't kill an animal to gather wool. If you did then you can't sheer that animal in the future....

Also, as an avid crocheter of natural fiber i'd advise people to look online for farmers you can buy from directly.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
30. PETA compared to other animal welfare charities (Charity Navigator)
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:31 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Charity Name & State:Overall Score (100% max):Overall Rating (5 stars max)

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (VA): 72.38: 2 stars

PetSmart Charities (AZ): 94.81: 4 stars

Alley Cat Allies (MD): 93.14: 4 stars

The Humane Society of the United States(DC): 86.43: 3 stars

Last Chance for Animals (CA): 91.74: 4 stars

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4314#.Vc88KPlViko

This doesn't really say anything about the validity of their investigative tactics but in terms of an independent measure of their effectiveness of a charity, I would tend to give to any of these other animal welfare charities before PETA.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
31. I cannot watch this as I have fiber goats.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:34 AM
Aug 2015

In March, shearers from Australia and New Zealand come to the U.S. and branch out throughout the states to work at local farms shearing goats, sheep, llamas, alpacas, camels, bison and yaks. The animals get a nice crew cut and it takes about 10 minutes per animal. None of the animals are injured. Perhaps this video shows the harvesting of sheepskin which does come from dead sheep. (Aparently in South America, these bastards can't even be bothered to kill the sheep first.) This is one more reason not to wear Uggs.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
32. Perhaps the video was heavily edited.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

The way they apparently incorporated tail docking, castration, skinning and shearing into the same video would strongly suggest that imo. Skilled shearers attempt to make the process as stress free as possible (any handling of animals can be stressful - ever take a dog to a vet?) and they also avoid injuring the animals. If they do cut an animal during the process, the wound is treated immediately and stitched up if necessary. Obviously this slows down the process so reputable shearers are going to make sure that it doesn't happen very often and careless/less skilled shearers are going to be out of work.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
38. you can see by the posts many people don't realize some wool is from skins & some sheep 'farms'
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:52 AM
Aug 2015

can have 100,000 sheep in their 'herds.' And they have 100s of 'workers' many who aren't very humane people.

That's why the internet is such a 'great equalizer'. It's wonderful free publicity to shame Corps by exposing them.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
43. There are two breeds:
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:39 PM
Aug 2015

Angora goats' fiber is mohair; cashmere goats are, well, cashmere. Angora fiber, on the other hand, comes from rabbits.

I have two angora goats and four pygoras, crosses between pygmy and angora. I love all the kid videos on social media. Goats are wonderful, smart, loving, and funny. However, once they are grown, they are about the size of jersey barriers, and just as immovable.

There are six kinds of camelid: Bactrian, Dromedary, Llama, Alpaca, Vicuna, and Guanaca. The four latter camelids all live in the New World; llamas originated in North America, but migrated south into Peru about 40,000 years ago.

These ruminants, as well as poor sheep everywhere, deserve better than what happens when nobody is looking.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
40. Since watching a film about animal raised corporately, I cannot continue to watch...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:01 PM
Aug 2015

The best thing you can do for the earth is to stop buying this stuff, regardless of how this film is viewed.

That's where I'd headed one step at a time.

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