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ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:14 PM Aug 2015

A Chick-fil-A owner shocked his employees in the best way after shutting down for renovations

Source: Yahoo Finance

A Chick-fil-A owner recently had to shut down his Austin, Texas, restaurant for five months for renovations.
Instead of temporarily laying off his 50 workers, Jeff Glover shocked his staff by continuing to pay them during the entire five months the restaurant would be closed, ABC affiliate KVUE reports.

Glover even gave them a $1-per-hour raise for sticking with him.

Starting pay at Glover's Chick-fil-A is $11 an hour and he pays full-time workers roughly $3,600 a month before taxes, according to KVUE.

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chick-fil-owner-shocked-employees-194620368.html



Almost as impressive as him continuing to pay them was starting pay at a fast food place at $11/hour.

Wow. I'm quite stunned that there's someone involved with that pretty horrible company who is actually a great person.
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A Chick-fil-A owner shocked his employees in the best way after shutting down for renovations (Original Post) ButterflyBlood Aug 2015 OP
Chick-fil-A is about the highest profit fast food chain out there. onehandle Aug 2015 #1
It's not the cost of doing business. christx30 Aug 2015 #2
I love chin fil la. Very delicious and a BIT healthier then other places yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #6
See, nobody understands what you just stated. Its a shame too. 7962 Aug 2015 #7
Maybe they've gotten better, but SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #14
They didnt say you had to go to church, just bring a bulletin 7962 Aug 2015 #17
It is still flat illegal. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #25
A private company doing what it wants yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #69
They are a place of public accommodation operating under the law. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #83
I still think it's fine. I don't mind it at all even though i yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #85
It may not be illegal, but it certainly is a steaming pile of bovine fecal matter! n.t. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #76
I don't agree. I think it is a company that is advertising yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #78
DU went nuts over that. I found a place on the net where you could print out an MADem Aug 2015 #26
Oh I love including ffrf, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #30
But really, they're not telling you how to think, just show em a bulletin 7962 Aug 2015 #47
If it was a religious charity, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #48
Oh, and SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #49
Sounds like a coupon. Igel Aug 2015 #53
I dont know what ffrf & fsm means. 7962 Aug 2015 #75
"Of course if you had something with a huge face of Satan on it that might go differently!" SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #84
ffrf nontracts, fyi SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #86
Which law is that breaking? PersonNumber503602 Aug 2015 #58
The Civil Rights Act tammywammy Aug 2015 #60
I bet a good lawyer could beat that. There's no requirement of religion, 7962 Aug 2015 #74
Thanks for the link. PersonNumber503602 Aug 2015 #81
Why is it illegal? hack89 Aug 2015 #54
Violation of the Civil Rights Act tammywammy Aug 2015 #56
Thanks. Nt hack89 Aug 2015 #61
I like their food and go once a week. 840high Aug 2015 #21
CORRECT Cosmocat Aug 2015 #66
This! scscholar Aug 2015 #77
It's always nice to see a decent franchise owner sharp_stick Aug 2015 #3
Five months secondvariety Aug 2015 #4
I'd bet NJCher Aug 2015 #8
2 months? No way. 9 months minimum on a developed site. 1 year on an FSogol Aug 2015 #46
Maybe secondvariety Aug 2015 #64
the criticism of chick fila was never their business practice JI7 Aug 2015 #5
That was my problem with them--I avoided them for the anti-gay legislative support. MADem Aug 2015 #28
Nope, but I wouldn't eat there. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #31
I'll be frank--there's only one, I think, in my entire state, and it's in some mall I never have MADem Aug 2015 #32
I've heard a lot about their food for a long time. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #34
Ha, I think we're at cross purposes--I was still rambling on about MADem Aug 2015 #35
"Tracts"? jberryhill Aug 2015 #36
I should have said tract citation. I meant it in the sense that MADem Aug 2015 #37
It's a citation to a "verse" jberryhill Aug 2015 #38
Interesting! Must be an age thing....! MADem Aug 2015 #39
Right, but they wouldn't call the Bible a "tract" jberryhill Aug 2015 #40
They might, depending on context. MADem Aug 2015 #41
"History" well before inn-n-out burger jberryhill Aug 2015 #42
Maybe from non-liturgical types. MADem Aug 2015 #43
Oh yeah jberryhill Aug 2015 #44
OT/UNRELATED Bigredhunk Aug 2015 #9
I don't see it either. tavernier Aug 2015 #11
I don't see what's the big deal about their food either. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #15
++++100000000 itsrobert Aug 2015 #27
The last time I was at one was with my gay cousin and his partner. MADem Aug 2015 #29
My chicken is always great at CFA. TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #70
The first time I ate there I was expecting something orgasmic based PersonNumber503602 Aug 2015 #82
So he pays his full timers 23 bucks an hour? Wonder how many of the employees are full time then. cstanleytech Aug 2015 #10
Not many. Igel Aug 2015 #55
I don't want to be served by a moody, sulky teen TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #72
but then it's Austin... catrose Aug 2015 #12
Sigh... SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #33
Austin was unique, back in the day Skittles Aug 2015 #80
Great, but shouldn't take that long to renovate and there is a cost with hiring and training all new Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #13
He sounds like a stand-up guy, yet he is being damned with faint praise in this thread Hekate Aug 2015 #16
Aint that the damned truth. 7962 Aug 2015 #18
The nature of franchising makes it difficult to boycott IronLionZion Aug 2015 #19
Chick-fil-A's franchising system is different from other companies' systems jmowreader Aug 2015 #24
Yup. Igel Aug 2015 #59
One small change to your piece jmowreader Aug 2015 #65
+10 840high Aug 2015 #22
Facts have a liberal spin. Igel Aug 2015 #57
I always ate there because they closed on Sunday. hollowdweller Aug 2015 #63
Faint praise? progressoid Aug 2015 #67
My post was #16, yours is #67. Track back to posts 1-15. Hekate Aug 2015 #79
Good for the franchise owner! n/t JimDandy Aug 2015 #20
If it's fact, then good for the owner and the business. Hulk Aug 2015 #23
that is great, gives the employees 5 months to look for a better job. olddad56 Aug 2015 #45
Or a chance to travel, visit family or just relax yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #71
That's a great franchise owner. pays Higher then state minimum wage & pays to retain good employees Sunlei Aug 2015 #50
The politics of the parent company aside, Cick-fi-A employees get treated fairly well liberal N proud Aug 2015 #51
Most of the Chick-fil-A frachisees are pretty decentpeople - once you get past some of their..... marble falls Aug 2015 #52
I've been to their headquarters many times wilt the stilt Aug 2015 #62
nice.long vacation Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #68
Local McDonald's did the same thing in my town a few years ago - nt ThoughtCriminal Aug 2015 #73

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. Chick-fil-A is about the highest profit fast food chain out there.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:16 PM
Aug 2015

So, this is probably all built into the cost of doing business.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
2. It's not the cost of doing business.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:24 PM
Aug 2015

They are using the profits to do more than they have to do. He could have laid those people off, but he kept paying them.
McDonalds would have fired everyone for the duration of the renovations and hired new people.
This guy kept paying his people, and brought them back in. These people are going to be happy about going to work, and do everything they can to take care of their customers.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. I love chin fil la. Very delicious and a BIT healthier then other places
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:28 PM
Aug 2015

The owner of the corporation is nutty but most of the workers and managers are decent. The one I go to has about 10 gay workers (I know them) and a good diversity of workers.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
7. See, nobody understands what you just stated. Its a shame too.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:01 PM
Aug 2015

Chik Fil A has always been one of the best companies to work for and also one of the best franchises. They always rank at the top for customer service, quality and speed. And I also have noticed a diversity of workers, all polite, at the many stores I've been to in my travels.
But the late owner gave money to some goofy group and people lose their collective minds.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
14. Maybe they've gotten better, but
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:15 PM
Aug 2015

A number of years ago, the one nearest to me was giving discounts for church bulletins. Even overlooking the insult to atheists, that's illegal.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. They didnt say you had to go to church, just bring a bulletin
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:36 PM
Aug 2015

Plenty of places do that. Doesnt bother me at all. You can print a bulletin off most church websites!

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
69. A private company doing what it wants
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:34 PM
Aug 2015

Have we gone that far that a company can't give a discount? Wow! And it has nothing to do with separation of church and state as this place is not government owned.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
83. They are a place of public accommodation operating under the law.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:10 PM
Aug 2015
https://ffrf.org/outreach/item/14010-church-bulletin-discounts

This blog
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/07/06/should-an-atheist-complain-about-a-church-bulletin-discount/
does not completely agree, but I liked one of the comments:

"If the restaurant had said "10% off to those customers that deny Jesus"...and then the restaurant owner said it didn't discriminate against Christians because "anyone is free to come in and deny Jesus and get the discount..including Christians"...would anyone buy it?"
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
85. I still think it's fine. I don't mind it at all even though i
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aug 2015

Never got the discount. I think we have many problems to conquer but this isn't it.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
78. I don't agree. I think it is a company that is advertising
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:06 PM
Aug 2015

And a good way to see if it works is have the customers bring in a bullitain. It is brilliant especially since they are closed Sunday. Not everything is evil.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. DU went nuts over that. I found a place on the net where you could print out an
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:20 AM
Aug 2015

atheist church bulletin--still didn't mollify 'em.

In PA, there's a bit of law on the books about this sort of thing: http://www.christianpost.com/news/pa-restaurant-forced-to-open-church-bulletin-discount-to-atheists-85830/

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
30. Oh I love including ffrf,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

and might try taking one of their "non-tracts" upon an appropriate occasion.

I still say it is flat illegal, federally, and I don't want a business telling me even what to think *about*, even if some state says they're not telling me what to *think*.

Give me my food, take my money, and otherwise leave me alone.

Oh, and do right by your employees and society in general.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
47. But really, they're not telling you how to think, just show em a bulletin
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:16 AM
Aug 2015

I dont even think they take it, you just show it. Now if they made you recite verses or something that'd be different. Lots of places give those discounts. And other discounts too; senior, military, student, etc. Places will give you a discount if you bring a can of food that they give to a charity. What if you dont agree with that charity? It might be a religious one since many are.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
48. If it was a religious charity,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:43 AM
Aug 2015

Then giving a discount for a donation to them, even if non-monetary, would be illegal. Unlike the other groups you mention, we do (at least for now) have separation of church and state.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
49. Oh, and
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:49 AM
Aug 2015

I bet I know how to cause a kerfluffle and see if they're*really* being non-discriminatory - do take an ffrf non-tract, or a religion the majority considers odd, or fsm (they probably wouldn't know what that was), or church of Satan or something.

It wouldn't always work, but a lot of the time I bet their vaunted inclusiveness would go right out the window.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
53. Sounds like a coupon.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

A non-standard one, but a coupon.

The church didn't get money out of it. Or not much. That begs for an explanation.

CFAs do "spirit nights", fundraisers. My school's stuco has 2-3 per night. The football team, cheer squad, theater company, band, orchestra all have their own spirit nights. The next high school over (whose zoning border is the road the CFA is on) does the same. As does the middle school and a couple of elementary schools, all public. Then there are community groups, churches, etc. I've seen some CFAs where, to avoid having everybody who came in saying they were with the group whose fundraiser was being advertised ("Tell us if you're here for the Quack-a-roony Save the Ducks Fund!&quot they'd require ID or proof of some affiliation--show your student ID, for example, or give the name of the play or what street the church was on.

The discount may have been a reduction in the amount of money that the church got as a result of its fundraiser; or possibly you misunderstood. It's equal opportunity. You have a group, sign up for a spirit night fundraiser. There may be some constraints on whose allowed--it is, after all, a private organization and it may have its own rules that don't violate federal regulations that govern our behavior.


What you're describing is also not a separation of church and state, unless you have some evidence that CFA is part of the state governing apparatus--a branch of the EPA or OSHA perhaps, or it reports to the Dept. of Education or the state DMV. Otherwise what you really want is a separation of church from civic and public life. Many do and don't see the different between "state" and "public life". But since public life is composed of the public, and churches are composed of the public, that's really calling for a pandemic of full-blown schizophrenia.

Excuse me, two of my other selves are complaining. One wants the coffee sweeter and the other really wants me to plant the yellow hibiscus because he likes yellow and the red one's already in the ground. "Lambda discrimination"--lambda being the symbol for wavelength--he's screaming.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
75. I dont know what ffrf & fsm means.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:01 PM
Aug 2015

But whatever it is you probably COULD bring it. I've never been to a place that gave one of these discounts and actually TOOK the bulletin. You just show it and say "oh i have a bulletin dont forget to give me my discount'. They dont even look at it
Of course if you had something with a huge face of Satan on it that might go differently!

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
84. "Of course if you had something with a huge face of Satan on it that might go differently!"
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:14 PM
Aug 2015

If they refused to take it, they would be putting themselves in the position of deciding what religion was OK and what wasn't. Seriously.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
58. Which law is that breaking?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:00 PM
Aug 2015

Are you viewing it as a discrimination type thing, or is there something more specific?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
60. The Civil Rights Act
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:16 PM
Aug 2015
https://ffrf.org/outreach/item/14010-church-bulletin-discounts

These types of promotions are illegal under federal law. The Civil Rights Act states in relevant part, “All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation . . . without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.” 42 U.S.C. §2000a(a). As a place of “public accommodation,” it is illegal for restaurants, grocery stores or other businesses to discriminate, or show favoritism, on the basis of religion. Church bulletin discounts are restrictive promotional practices, which favor religious customers and deny customers who do not attend church, and nonbelievers, the right to “full and equal” enjoyment of the restaurant, store or other business.

Church bulletin discounts may also be prohibited under your state’s civil rights law, or your city’s municipal code and ordinances. Often, the state and local laws contain similar, if not the same, language prohibiting discrimination at places of public accommodation on the basis of religion.

Any promotions should be available to all customers regardless of religious preference or practice on a non-discriminatory basis. No place of public accommodation can advertise– in broadcast (radio or television) or print advertisements (newspapers, church bulletins, etc)– any sort of discount to customers who present a church bulletin. Rather such promotions must be offered to the public at large, and not single out any one religious group. For example, instead of offering a “20% discount to customers with church bulletins on Sunday,” a restaurant could advertise, “20%off Sunday brunch.”
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
74. I bet a good lawyer could beat that. There's no requirement of religion,
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:58 PM
Aug 2015

just HAVE a bulletin. Which you can print off the internet. They dont even TAKE the bulletin, you just show it and they give you the discount. Its a piece of paper. You can be an atheist or whatever and still hand them a paper. Now if you think that is MAKING you religious, then maybe those bakery people had a point too. Because they were told that baking a cake didnt mean they were approving of a gay wedding, so handing in a bulletin wouldnt make you participate in any religion!

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
81. Thanks for the link.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:29 PM
Aug 2015

I'm with 7962 on this. It seems like in court this could go either way though. I was having a metal debate with myself over whether I care about this or not. My knee jerk response is that I don't care if they give discounts to church goers or not. But then I was thought what if it was based on race? Such as a discount to whites on Jefferson Davis' birthday (yeah, I dunno), or discount to african americans during black history month. Although race isn't a choice like religion, so there is that difference. Another scenario is a company giving discounts to people who just attended a political rally for the owner's favorite candidate.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
56. Violation of the Civil Rights Act
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:45 AM
Aug 2015
https://ffrf.org/outreach/item/14010-church-bulletin-discounts

These types of promotions are illegal under federal law. The Civil Rights Act states in relevant part, “All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation . . . without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.” 42 U.S.C. §2000a(a). As a place of “public accommodation,” it is illegal for restaurants, grocery stores or other businesses to discriminate, or show favoritism, on the basis of religion. Church bulletin discounts are restrictive promotional practices, which favor religious customers and deny customers who do not attend church, and nonbelievers, the right to “full and equal” enjoyment of the restaurant, store or other business.

Church bulletin discounts may also be prohibited under your state’s civil rights law, or your city’s municipal code and ordinances. Often, the state and local laws contain similar, if not the same, language prohibiting discrimination at places of public accommodation on the basis of religion.

Any promotions should be available to all customers regardless of religious preference or practice on a non-discriminatory basis. No place of public accommodation can advertise– in broadcast (radio or television) or print advertisements (newspapers, church bulletins, etc)– any sort of discount to customers who present a church bulletin. Rather such promotions must be offered to the public at large, and not single out any one religious group. For example, instead of offering a “20% discount to customers with church bulletins on Sunday,” a restaurant could advertise, “20%off Sunday brunch.”

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
66. CORRECT
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:54 PM
Aug 2015

The owner has some abhorent views on things, but our franchise is just fine.

That owner is a decent person, and I used to take my girls there every few weeks when I was dad alone.

They don't give stupid plastic toys in kids meals that just end up cluttering the car/house, they give BOOKS.

We have a couple dozen of them in our book shelf.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. It's always nice to see a decent franchise owner
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:25 PM
Aug 2015

Thanks for posting, so many of them are scumbags I really like to know those that are worth supporting.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
4. Five months
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:26 PM
Aug 2015

for a renovation? Is he doing it by himself? You could build a new one in two months. Anyway, it's really nice of the owner to keep his employees.

NJCher

(35,675 posts)
8. I'd bet
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

He's over-estimating the time so as not to back himself into a corner. You know, like how the airlines estimate landing times.


Cher

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
64. Maybe
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:59 PM
Aug 2015

Chick-fil-As are different. I worked for a company that built Burger Kings and they would knock those things out like an assembly line. For the most part, they used the same labor from site to site so that helped speed things up.
Five months for a re-model still seems like an awful long time, IMO.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
5. the criticism of chick fila was never their business practice
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:27 PM
Aug 2015

It was more about where the owner was sending money.

But the mostly positive business practices including serving and hiring gays was what made the boycott difficult.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. That was my problem with them--I avoided them for the anti-gay legislative support.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:23 AM
Aug 2015

I suppose now it's a moot point.

In-and-Out burger puts little religious tracts on their wrappers in teeny letters. I've never heard that they discriminate on the basis of religion though.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
31. Nope, but I wouldn't eat there.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:41 AM
Aug 2015

I even occasionally consider dropping Dr. Bronner, but their "religious" stuff on the packaging is so goofy that I just consider it entertainment.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. I'll be frank--there's only one, I think, in my entire state, and it's in some mall I never have
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:47 AM
Aug 2015

patronized. I'll probably get hit by a crosstown bus before I find myself in that place--it's just off my beaten track.

But when I was down in Atlanta, I met up with my cousin, and he picked the place. I thought the food was pretty good. I can't say I wouldn't go again if I was down there--and I'd be sure to go if my cousin paid this time!

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
34. I've heard a lot about their food for a long time.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:53 AM
Aug 2015

Only recently about their fine-print tracts.

I just feel businesses shouldn't push religion, or even suggest customers should think about it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. Ha, I think we're at cross purposes--I was still rambling on about
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:07 AM
Aug 2015

Chik-fil-A!

I go to the In-and-Outs when I am in CA, because they'll give you a burger and cheese wrapped in lettuce and it's very tasty. There aren't any on the east coast at all!

I've never been proselytized at one of their drive throughs, and they're very efficient!

I'm no expert on fast food, though I've probably had more of it this summer (I've been traveling solo a lot) than I have had in the last two or three years!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. "Tracts"?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:11 AM
Aug 2015

Maybe it's s word usage issue, but they don't print "tracts" on their wrappers.

They print citations on them - eg "John 3:16" - not even the verses themselves, just the citations.

"Tracts" are small pamphlets or booklets, like the wildly unintentially funny comics published by Jack Chick:



Those gems, known as "Chick Tracts" after their author, have nothing to do with the sandwich restaurant.

The citations are about as prominent a religious symbol as the Kosher Union certification, which anti-Semites are careful to look for in order not to buy food paying the "Jew Tax". (utterly disregarding that the larger volume of sales from a larger market allows lower unit price)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. I should have said tract citation. I meant it in the sense that
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:17 AM
Aug 2015

it directed one to a paragraph or section of a religious work, in this case the bible--not a cartoon.

If they want to do it, it doesn't bother me, so long as the food tastes good. Never once has anyone ever asked me I'd been "saved" in the drive through lane...but I have been asked if I wanted condiments!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. It's a citation to a "verse"
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:27 AM
Aug 2015

Those that are into pasting them on things will call a bible verse a "verse", but they'll also call a citation to one a "verse". I only use the word "citation" to avoid ambiguity, in that they don't print the whole verse.

But you wouldn't call it a "tract citation" either. The Bible wouldn't be called a "tract". A "tract" is a little booklet you used to find in phone booths or passed out at airports.

Some of the major assholes use one called "A tip for you" or similar titles, in lieu of tipping at restaurants. I mean, what's 15% on a bill, when this little booklet can point you to eternal riches!

Some are designed to look like money

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Interesting! Must be an age thing....!
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:46 AM
Aug 2015

Tract can also mean a religious paragraph or published work, as in an actual book, though--at least I grew up using that definition...?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tract


: verses of Scripture (as from the Psalms) used between the gradual and the Gospel at some masses (as during penitential seasons)

Origin of TRACT

Middle English tracte, from Medieval Latin tractus, from Latin, action of drawing, extension; perhaps from its being sung without a break by one voice
First Known Use: 14th century




Your definition is also there, but further down.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. Right, but they wouldn't call the Bible a "tract"
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:52 AM
Aug 2015

In Christian usage, they are summary presentations of the Christian gospel - i.e. that you will die eternal death because a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat a magic fruit, and that to avoid that death you must ask a Jewish zombie to forgive you.

https://www.crossway.org/tracts/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. They might, depending on context.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:00 AM
Aug 2015
A tract is a literary work, and in current usage, usually religious in nature. The notion of what constitutes a tract has changed over time. By the early part of the 21st century, these meant small pamphlets used for religious and political purposes, though far more often the former. They are often either left for someone to find or handed out. However, there have been times in history when the term implied tome-like works.


Link.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
42. "History" well before inn-n-out burger
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:18 AM
Aug 2015

In modern usage, you would get funny looks from Bible believers if you called it a tract. And by "modern" I mean many decades.

I gave you the link to Crossway, because they are the successor to the American Tract Society, founded in 1825, which is primarily responsible for making "tract" a term of art in that community.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Tract_Society

They are popular because evangelicals have a duty to "share the gospel" with others. But some of them are socialized well enough not to bother strangers in public with their madness, so they fulfill their duty by creative placement of these things on such topical fixtures as comdom machines and park benches.

Clearly the removal of pay phones caused the loss of millions of souls by elongating the venue for catchy titles "God Is Calling You, Will You Answer?"

They are typically corny as hell, and can be bought cheap in bulk.

The Chick Tracts, though, stand in a class of their own:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_tract

They are the model for a lot of the "bulldada" of the Church of the Subgenius, an early forerunner of the Pastafarians in the genre of religious satire.

Bigredhunk

(1,349 posts)
9. OT/UNRELATED
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:20 PM
Aug 2015

I don't understand why everyone loves this place. I get RW'ers liking it for the lame reason(s) they do. I suppose they feel about C-F-A as I (and many) do about Costco. If they're a well-run business (good ethics), that's a reason to go there. But I've eaten at 2 different locations a # of different times, getting a # of different things for variety. It's always been "meh."

I remember reading a few years ago that they are great because not one of their sandwiches came in at over 500 calories. Assuming you're trying to eat healthy, that's very cool. It's nice to have healthy options. But as far as loving the taste, I don't get it. I'm not exactly discerning when it comes to food. I'm a food guy. I like a lot of things. Not really that picky. Their food doesn't do it for me. It blows my mind that it's always so busy. I don't see what other people are seeing.

Obviously different strokes for different folks. I think Chipotle is pretty good, and many people think that's "meh" (and a million other examples like that). I'm just surprised I don't like the food considering how nuts people are about the place (and considering I like most everything).

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
27. ++++100000000
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:23 AM
Aug 2015

I have dined there a few times (different locations) and every time I regretted it. Once i got sick from one of their shakes.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. The last time I was at one was with my gay cousin and his partner.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:31 AM
Aug 2015

Which is ironic, I suppose, given all the uproar--but they liked the food and there wasn't as much of a blow-up about the anti-gay donations at the time. They were handing out cow toys that said "Eat more chik-n," IIRC.

It was the one in Atlanta, the rather un-PC "Dwarf House" I think it's called.

We ordered pretty much everything on the menu and sampled like hell. It was all good. This article pretty much describes the reception we got (we ate around the corner in the comfy booths):

http://www.tampabay.com/features/travel/the-dwarf-house-the-original-chick-fil-a-is-a-fun-stop-in-georgia/2174081


Of course, down south they carry a lot of country food that they don't carry at franchises up north.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
70. My chicken is always great at CFA.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:46 PM
Aug 2015

I like the seasonings, and I like the way it's fried - not too much crust and not too hard.

And the chicken is usually cooked perfectly. Personal taste and all that, I guess.

Furthermore, the staff is always polite, clean, well-groomed and diverse. I saw my first teen girl working at my local CFA wearing a headscarf, which surprised me, since it's known for having a somewhat Christian atmosphere. After thinking about it a moment, if I were a strict parent, I'd probaby think it's the safest fast food place, since most have very high standards regarding employment.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
82. The first time I ate there I was expecting something orgasmic based
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:33 PM
Aug 2015

on the way people talk about the food. I can't say it lived up the expectations for me. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it was bad, but it still tasted like most fast food. I've only been to them a few times though, so maybe I just went to the less delicious stores.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
10. So he pays his full timers 23 bucks an hour? Wonder how many of the employees are full time then.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:21 PM
Aug 2015

I know Publix which is considered one of the best companies to work for here in retail doesnt pay anywhere nearly that much to their full timers unless they are meat cutters or management.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
55. Not many.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:42 AM
Aug 2015

Probably managers, perhaps a kitchen staffer or two.

It's also up to the franchise owner. Note that the NRLB probably will rule on a strait-jacket approach to contractees and salaries. Big organizations prefer to work with big organizations, not lots of little ones. (Now we bust large organizations; now we demand that small things form large organizations. It's not principle if it swings both ways at once; it's often just a show of raw power, with "what's best for us" thrown into the mix.)

Kids like working at the local CFA, but say they're kept busy. Between working behind the counter, going around asking if everybody's doing okay, checking if people need refills and negotiating the free refills, wiping tables and monitoring the kiddie play area, I can see them staying busy.

I'd note that the local CFA may or may not try for diversity--I really get the impression that the staff is a sample of the applicants, not anything he aims for. But I've heard him complain about some specific groups because they insist on "being themselves" when CFA doesn't want employees to be themselves. CFA wants them to be smiling, neat, efficient, punctual, clean-cut, respectful, and, if they can manage it, chipper. If you've spent your teen years nurturing that brooding gangsta hip-hop persona and can't turn it off and show you can meet their guidelines during the interview--and that might include dealing with tattoos and hair that is obtrusive and might put off some customers--you don't get a front-of-house job.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
72. I don't want to be served by a moody, sulky teen
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

who looks like she came to work in the same clothes she fell asleep in the night before after she drank too much. Ugh

"If you've spent your teen years nurturing that brooding gangsta hip-hop persona and can't turn it off and show you can meet their guidelines during the interview--and that might include dealing with tattoos and hair that is obtrusive and might put off some customers--you don't get a front-of-house job."

And they definitely don't deserve one.

Learning to "be yourself" also means learning how to act like a grown up - which means doing a good job, being clean, neat, punctual, and POLITE to the customers, etc.

I can assure you no one at my local CFA has ever glared at me and said "Whatcha' want?" like I hear at some other local places.

"How may I serve you?"
"What would you like, ma'am?"
"Would you like to place an order?"

Nope, it's not difficult to say those words in a nice tone of voice.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
33. Sigh...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:49 AM
Aug 2015

Not at you, at the Austin mystique.

It's not all that, it's really not. And it's not even the best city in Texas (not that that's saying much). Houston is (not that that's saying much).

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
13. Great, but shouldn't take that long to renovate and there is a cost with hiring and training all new
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

staff. Still the better way to handle from an employee perspective.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
16. He sounds like a stand-up guy, yet he is being damned with faint praise in this thread
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

I don't understand this place any more. What I "learned" here was that CFA is all about the fundy preaching and we should boycott it. Now we see a franchisee behaving in the best progressive manner, and does the crowd stand up and cheer? Not likely.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
19. The nature of franchising makes it difficult to boycott
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 11:39 PM
Aug 2015

since many franchise owners and their workers are probably decent people who don't care about the political views of the founder, yet the little people are the ones damaged most by boycotts.

I worry when I see mob mentality and groupthink



jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
24. Chick-fil-A's franchising system is different from other companies' systems
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:13 AM
Aug 2015

If they decide to pick you as a franchisee, you pay $10,000 and the corporation retains title to the building. In essence, you're buying a job.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
59. Yup.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:12 PM
Aug 2015

They pick the site, they build, they outfit the building. You pay them rent and 50% of the profits. You keep the rest. You also don't do other things--this is your job and your one business--and you are limited in the number of storefronts you can "own."

It's like having a franchise in a mall--you rent the site and pay the franchiser. (CFA started in a mall.)

Increase wages, that decreases profits, I'd assume.

But if you do a good job with the site then you do a good business. The system keeps it lean, and CFA controls the brand, and I've never seen one where the owner/manager wasn't actively on-site on a frequent basis. Since he only has a few storefronts at most, it's not like he's the CEO of a franchise with 15 or 20 storefronts. That gives him time to keep each one he has in good shape. (Spot checks from HQ are also done. I was sitting eating lunch in a CFA and a man in his late 20s asked if I had a moment, showed me his CFA ID, and asked if I could answer a number of questions. He showed up unannounced, inspected the place, talked to employees, and now was spending a couple of days doing nothing but interviewing customers to find out where their zip codes, how often they ate their, average check, impression of the manager, staff, food, cleanliness, etc., etc. He had an iPad and his data wasn't just going into his report, it entered the company's database in real time.)


The "preaching" also tells the franchisee to respect and maintain decent wages/conditions for the employees. So their turnover is a lot lower than other fast food franchises. The ones I've been to have also all focused on hiring kids and other part-timers. They could hire full-time workers, give them crap schedules with big gaps, but they don't.

And while I've seen other restaurants that hired high-school students work them 30 or 40 or 50 hours a week, the local CFAs really keep their hours down to no more than 20. Come end of the year, when some students are going to quit, they hire summer replacements a few weeks early so that by the time final exams hit the new staff are trained. The seniors get reduced hours, if they want them, during dead days and finals. The scheduling's a nightmare because suddenly instead of perhaps 15 part-timers there are 20.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
65. One small change to your piece
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 01:01 PM
Aug 2015

They only let you have one storefront. Their intent is for you to be a hands-on manager...if you look at their prospectus, they tell you straight out: if you want multiple storefronts or to add a chicken place to a portfolio of brands, we're not who you're looking for.

If I had the capital and experience to buy a fast food franchise, I think I'd go with Krystal just because the food is so tasty. (It's kind of a better-quality White Castle.) Krystals are great drunk food, so a store on restaurant row open 24/7 and one in the bar district that opens when the bars do and closes at sunrise, in several Pacific Northwest cities, should do well.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
57. Facts have a liberal spin.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

For many, that means if it doesn't have a liberal spin it can't be a fact.

The previous owner and founder, Cathy, was sort of old-school Southerner in some ways. He likes family and traditional values. So the restaurants are closed on Sunday specifically because Sunday, for him, was a day of rest and relaxation with the family. His foundation worked on strengthening families--it focused on marriage counseling during husband/wife retreats to try to save their marriages. He also gave his own money from his salary and his share of the disbursed earnings to a variety of groups that focused on strengthening families and traditional values. He gave millions to his own foundation, and hundreds of thousands of dollars to various groups.

One of the organizations that got some money from Cathy had perhaps a dozen different things that they focused on. We're talking something like $50k/year to this group. It used a small portion of its budget to oppose gay marriage. Another, IIRC, was a Xian high-school athletic group that, among other things, includes a kind of chastity pledge that disallows homosexual sex. (Or perhaps these are the same groups; it's been a few years.) Since a small portion of Cathy's donations went to a group that spent a small portion of its budget on something that was anti-gay or interpreted as anti-gay, in monomanical fashion the organization was taken to have as its single, sole mission fighting gay rights, and Cathy's sole purpose in life was combating gay rights.

Since he also gave people off Sundays because he thought the Sabbath should be church and family time, he was a fundie. If he's a fundie, the entire organization has to be fundie--it's all or nothing.

Those were the only facts in the narrative that had a liberal spin, so flipping the script meant those were the only true facts.

That's what DU "taught." And if you tried to point out the monomania and fact-selection criteria were extreme, well, you were labeled as homophobic, anti-gay, freeper, etc., etc., and shamed or alerted on until the MIRT came to enforce the DU omerta and fitted you for concrete neckwear.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
63. I always ate there because they closed on Sunday.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:55 PM
Aug 2015


I always thought it was somewhat hypocritical for so called Christians to make their employees work on Sunday or to even go out to a eat on Sunday.

I'm old enough to remember when most people were off all weekend and got home at 5pm to eat dinner with their family.

I think that was better then. People were less stressed and angry.

I also remember when only 1 person had to work so you didn't have to have a babysitter for young kids or in the summer.

Anybody who treats their workers well and shows consideration for employees and their families I consider on my side. I might not agree with them on everything, but with so many pressures on the working class (notice I didn't say middle class because it's mostly gone) it's an important issue for me.
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
23. If it's fact, then good for the owner and the business.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:07 AM
Aug 2015

Seems like some stretches in reality however. But whenever an employer treats his employees with respect and a decent living, it's a good thing.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
71. Or a chance to travel, visit family or just relax
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:48 PM
Aug 2015

If I had a job that treated me as well as this place treated me. I'd stay unless it was just a transition job while in college. It is a great deal for the workers. And they pay way more then other places so not sure what other job they would be looking for.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
50. That's a great franchise owner. pays Higher then state minimum wage & pays to retain good employees
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:54 AM
Aug 2015

Wish there were more restaurant chain-franchise owners like him.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
51. The politics of the parent company aside, Cick-fi-A employees get treated fairly well
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:27 AM
Aug 2015

And their customer service is tops for the class of business.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
52. Most of the Chick-fil-A frachisees are pretty decentpeople - once you get past some of their.....
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:38 AM
Aug 2015

religious beliefs. They aren't as bad as the CEO, I'm still boycotting. I sure do miss the sandwich, though.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
62. I've been to their headquarters many times
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:37 PM
Aug 2015

and consulted with them on cash registers. Very nice people and the lobby has beautiful antique cars. Their food is the best of the fast food places.

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