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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:26 AM Aug 2015

Hillary Clinton, In Warrior Mode In Iowa, Dismisses E-Mail Controversy As ‘Partisan Game’

Source: Washington Post

By Philip Rucker August 14 at 10:33 PM

CLEAR LAKE, Iowa – Hillary Rodham Clinton was in political warrior mode as she addressed Democratic activists here Friday night, delivering a fiery, rip-roaring speech designed to help quiet concerns about her weaknesses as a presidential front-runner.

Clinton took the burgeoning controversy over her private e-mail server head-on, saying probes into her correspondence as secretary of state as well as her handling of the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, are nothing short of a political witch hunt by her Republican opponents.

"It’s not about Benghazi,” Clinton said. “And you know what, it’s not about e-mails or servers either. It’s about politics.”

Clinton vowed to fight back aggressively, saying, “I won’t get down in the mud with them. I won’t play politics with national security or dishonor the memory of those we lost. I won’t pretend this is anything other than what it is: the same old partisan games we’ve seen so many times before. I don’t care how many super PACs and Republicans pile on. I’ve been fighting for families and underdogs my entire life and I’m not going to stop now.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/14/hillary-clinton-in-warrior-mode-in-iowa-dismissing-e-mail-controversy-as-partisan-game/

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Hillary Clinton, In Warrior Mode In Iowa, Dismisses E-Mail Controversy As ‘Partisan Game’ (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2015 OP
Bring it vadermike Aug 2015 #1
actually, the attacks on HRC ARE more successful than the lies against Kerry karynnj Aug 2015 #6
BS n/t Control-Z Aug 2015 #7
not a good parallel; these are the primaries, not the GE ericson00 Aug 2015 #8
It wasn't MY parallel I was responding to the op karynnj Aug 2015 #10
what hurt Kerry was his "global test" comment and the terrorist attack in Russia JI7 Aug 2015 #11
Kerry was a gaffe machine ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
None of the Rethugs running are well liked Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #35
The attacks haven't been successful at all. George II Aug 2015 #20
look at her numbers karynnj Aug 2015 #24
Absolutely right this is about politics and the piss poor excuse we have for such a lazy and inept still_one Aug 2015 #2
Of course its a partisan game. Its all Kabuki theater. WDIM Aug 2015 #3
Whitewater 2.0 ericson00 Aug 2015 #9
Totally agree. Started about Benghazi and then will keep expanding into other areas. hollowdweller Aug 2015 #22
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley made impassioned, populist elleng Aug 2015 #4
Warrior mode! Bring it on! Hekate Aug 2015 #5
We love politicians that fight, but sometimes forget to ask what's being fought for? HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #14
Wise strategy Fairgo Aug 2015 #13
Good for her. I am glad she is finally fighting back on this. DCBob Aug 2015 #15
Freepers not liking this one. Kingofalldems Aug 2015 #16
"I won't play politics" FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #17
Benghazi... sendero Aug 2015 #18
So why is Hillary the ONLY one being pilloried BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #28
Warrior Mode, like when she took sniper fire? Katashi_itto Aug 2015 #19
Tuzla Annie rides again! Indepatriot Aug 2015 #25
The Right in an alliance with Clinton haters on the left are getting nowhere with this. onehandle Aug 2015 #21
Really hollowdweller Aug 2015 #23
I wonder just how many okasha Aug 2015 #26
Indeed. eom BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #29
Srange Bedfellows would be a candidate who claims to be a "fighter for the Middle Class" Indepatriot Aug 2015 #27
And you have substantiation for this BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #30
Google "Hillary Clinton's top donors". Then Google "2008 Financial Crisis". Indepatriot Aug 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueMTexpat Aug 2015 #31
So the FBI & the DOJ, run by the AG appointed by President Obama, are all "partisan"? Lurks Often Aug 2015 #32
+1. candelista Aug 2015 #34

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
1. Bring it
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:35 AM
Aug 2015

If Hill is gonna prevail this is how to do it !! No playing nice like Kerry and Gore!! Bring it Hill!!!!!!!!!!

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
6. actually, the attacks on HRC ARE more successful than the lies against Kerry
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:46 AM
Aug 2015

The only people who believed the SBVT over the Navy, never would have voted for Kerry. With the email problems, there are independents and even Democrats who think there is a problem.

As to Gore, the attacks were insidious. They were things like he exaggerates or he was boring. Those are hard to defend against. The accusations against HRC on the email are real - even if it is true that some have made too much of them.

In fact, HRC has already lost more favorability than either of these men. Maybe this strong attack mode will help, but to give it credit now is premature.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
8. not a good parallel; these are the primaries, not the GE
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:32 AM
Aug 2015

and in the GE, clearly, Kerry got hurt by the flip-flopping.

A better potential parallel is 2000; Bush was clearly (https://web.archive.org/web/20001214221524/http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html) seen as much more honest than Gore, enough to make the election close enough to steal, yet Gore still won the popular vote.

Another thing; W. was far more politically savvy than any GOPer out there now, especially his Gomer Pyle like brother.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
10. It wasn't MY parallel I was responding to the op
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:42 AM
Aug 2015

The flip flop charge is almost always used for any legislator. It's easy as similar bills, or bills at different times require yes or no votes, when nearly everyone is yes but or not but.

In reality, I can make a much stronger case that HRC has flip flopped than anyone can make for Kerry, who is actually pretty consistent. To list a few for HRC, consider TPP which she praised in her book and is now skeptical on. What about voting yes on the awful 2001 bankruptcy bill that she opposed in 2005?

Not to mention, my point is it is premature to claim victory. Not to mention, neither Gore or Kerry had to deal with scandals that had any real elements.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
11. what hurt Kerry was his "global test" comment and the terrorist attack in Russia
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:48 AM
Aug 2015

there are many things he could have done differently but the swift boat thing is overrated in terms of how much it affected the race. at worst it took attention away from other things . but the ones who believed it are the same ones as the birthers.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
12. Kerry was a gaffe machine
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:06 AM
Aug 2015

thank god Bill Clinton build the blue wall (NJ, CA, CT, MI, IL, DE, PA, MD, VT, ME, NH/NM*) that kept Kerry from a Dukakis/Mondale like landslide, given how many massive gaffes Kerry made. Those states all went GOP in 1988 against Duke, all went Reagan 1984, mostly went Reagan 80, Ford 76, Nixon 72/68). That global test one did enforce the idea that Kerry wouldn't assert America as much. That remark in his convention speech "any attack will be met with a swift response" I think hurt the chances of him getting convention momentum greatly. Or I think, actually, not just the 87 billion flip-flop allegation, but the fact he did come back from 'Nam and tossed his ribbons and testified against the war. Those actions were also used in the SBVT. Had he just been accused of shooting himself, but not have done those two things, the flip-flop AND the SBVT attacks would've been far less effective. I think given how the anti-war protests had a much stronger association with the counter culture than "trying once and not inhaling" which everyone has done, thats why Kerry reeled from it more than Bill Clinton got hurt from "not inhaling."

Hillary doesn't make gaffes like Kerry did, thats a difference between the Clintons and Gore and Kerry. People oughta appreciate it.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
24. look at her numbers
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:49 PM
Aug 2015

She was fortunate to start out incredibly high including being double digits ahead of any Republican. In addition, almost all Democrats had a positive view of her. She is still likely to win, but it will be a tougher race than it would have been without this self inflicted wound.

Be honest with yourself. WWouldn't you prefer that never happened. Then, like Gore and Kerry, she would STILL be fighting some attack, but we and the Independents would be comfortable knowing they were bogus. It also would mean the main topic would be the differences in policy between the parties.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
2. Absolutely right this is about politics and the piss poor excuse we have for such a lazy and inept
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:35 AM
Aug 2015

media.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
3. Of course its a partisan game. Its all Kabuki theater.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:39 AM
Aug 2015

To distract from talking about any real issues. And Republicans are the best at it. Deflect and misdirect and give em a good show.

I disagree with even the idea of secret information. All government information should be public because it is a public government.

The idea of email being private government or personal is a lie. Nothing that uses the internet is private. Why doesnt the DOJ just ask the NSA for the emails you know they got them.

This whole thing is ridiculous. And the Clintons are great using scandals to also deflect and misdirect and even bad press is good press the more people hear her name and forget about a trumped up email scandal by next year the more they vote for her and Hillary knows it. Its all politics as usual.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
9. Whitewater 2.0
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:34 AM
Aug 2015

a phony scandal, no serious consequences for anyone, but the media dies for it.

One of the great things about Trump is that when the media gets off him, if they do, the email story will seem so bland and boring, and by then Hillary will come back stronger.

elleng

(130,908 posts)
4. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley made impassioned, populist
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:51 AM
Aug 2015

appeals that were received enthusiastically by the capacity crowd of 2,100 people. The response to former Rhode Island governor Lincoln Chafee was more muted, though he hit a number of progressive touchstones. . .

The three other speakers made subtle contrasts with Clinton. Chafee, a former mayor, senator and governor, said, “What I’m most proud of in my decades of public service is I didn’t have any scandals.” . .

O’Malley followed Sanders on stage and touched many of the same progressive themes. He tried to distinguish himself from the other candidates by noting that he is the only one with 15 years of executive experience, having served as mayor of Baltimore before being governor.

O’Malley ticked through some of the highlights of his record in Maryland: raising the minimum wage, investing in public schools, passing tough gun-control laws, expanding voting rights, giving driver’s licenses to undocumented immigrants.

“Actions, not words,” O’Malley said, over and over again.

He closed his remarks with an assault on Wall Street. “If the bank is too big to fail, too big to jail and too big to manage, then it’s probably too damn big,” he said.

Though he has struggled to gain traction in the polls, O’Malley was well received by the crowd. Yet in an illustration of the challenges for his candidacy, as he was speaking photographers trained their cameras not on the stage but on the audience, where Clinton had taken a seat to watch.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. We love politicians that fight, but sometimes forget to ask what's being fought for?
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:35 AM
Aug 2015

She wants to be the "Champion of the People", that's how she launched this campaign.

Yet, once again, as we've often seen in her public career, she's mired down fighting for herself.

You can say those who attack her are unfair, but the point is she's forced once again to be fighting for herself, her integrity.

I suppose you can't fight for the people, until you've secured the world for yourself.

But, unfortunately, that puts the fight for the people as a second priority. What potential benefit is so great that the people need to elect someone whose history shows -must- regularly put their needs second, after self-defense?


Fairgo

(1,571 posts)
13. Wise strategy
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:08 AM
Aug 2015

i seriously want to hear her in debate over the real issues of governance, not media sniping on perpheral-to-erroneous sideshow issues.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. Good for her. I am glad she is finally fighting back on this.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:57 AM
Aug 2015

The RW media has gone too far with this non-sense.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
18. Benghazi...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:25 AM
Aug 2015

... was a partisan game. The email scandal is not, it is AT BEST a spectacular display of hubris and bad judgment and it is not going away.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
28. So why is Hillary the ONLY one being pilloried
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:34 AM
Aug 2015

for this when it was a practice common to all US Secretaries of State since email has become a mode a communication?

True, those others are not now running for President. But the fact is that Hillary was only following a practice that had begun before her tenure. It's so easy to pick on her alone for this non-scandal by those who wish her ill.

This is indeed ALSO a partisan game, Benghazi is just one aspect of it. And there will certainly be others that will be raised in the great scheme of things.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
21. The Right in an alliance with Clinton haters on the left are getting nowhere with this.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:19 PM
Aug 2015

Might as well invoke Vince Foster and her 'secret lesbian lovers' when you bring this shit up.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
26. I wonder just how many
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:54 PM
Aug 2015

of the nonstop Clinton-haters are actually on the left. I have mis sospechos particularly of those who are promoting an Independent for the Democratic nomination with the help of Republican votes.

Talk about strange bedfellows.

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
27. Srange Bedfellows would be a candidate who claims to be a "fighter for the Middle Class"
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:01 PM
Aug 2015

getting all cozy with the Wall Street Banksters who've been gutting Middle Class pensions/jobs/lives for 30 years....

 

Indepatriot

(1,253 posts)
33. Google "Hillary Clinton's top donors". Then Google "2008 Financial Crisis".
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:55 AM
Aug 2015

Then get back to me on that if you've learned anything new.

Response to Indepatriot (Reply #27)

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
32. So the FBI & the DOJ, run by the AG appointed by President Obama, are all "partisan"?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:51 AM
Aug 2015

If this is such a "partisan game" why hasn't the President or the Attorney General ordered the FBI to stop investigating?

I mean if there isn't anything to this, then why is the FBI wasting resources and money on it?

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