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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 06:22 PM Aug 2015

In Iowa, Sanders Says He Will Address Racial Divisions

Source: ABC News

After bounding atop a blue trailer in a community park, Bernie Sanders quickly reminded people here that Iowa had helped elect the nation's first black president.

The next step, he said, is addressing racial discrimination and the recent shootings of unarmed blacks by law enforcement.

"I know that I speak for all of you that we are sick and tired of reading about and seeing videos of unarmed African-Americans being shot," Sanders said Sunday at a Democratic picnic. "We know that if those individuals were white, the odds are very strong that would not have happened to them."

During three days of campaigning before largely white audiences in Iowa, the Democratic presidential candidate repeatedly vowed to address racism, police brutality and the nation's criminal justice system. It followed disruptions of the senator's appearances in Phoenix and Portland, Oregon, by Black Lives Matter protesters who say his message to cure economic inequality fails to address institutional racism.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/iowa-sanders-address-racial-divisions-33120120



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In Iowa, Sanders Says He Will Address Racial Divisions (Original Post) LiberalElite Aug 2015 OP
He sure has experience representing Vermont which is 97% White n/t cosmicone Aug 2015 #1
Vermot? Sounds alien for sure. jalan48 Aug 2015 #3
It's kind of ironic that someone from such a lily white state would care about Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #4
Exactly brentspeak Aug 2015 #41
He has a much better civil rights record than Clinton Report1212 Aug 2015 #5
Beyond marching with MLK 53 years ago, just what IS that "better civil rights record"? George II Aug 2015 #8
I live in Vermont. salib Aug 2015 #6
What is insulting about that? From the United States Census Bureau: George II Aug 2015 #9
You know fully well what is insulting. salib Aug 2015 #22
I really don't know. George II Aug 2015 #23
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #24
The poster called you a "right winger", George.. I think it is he who is "insulting". Cha Aug 2015 #38
And yet, thoughout his congressional career, Sanders has pushed for civil rights regardless brentspeak Aug 2015 #42
I don't think I proved anything, accidentally or intentionally. I would love to continue this... George II Aug 2015 #45
Actually only 95.2% white, but also only 1.2% black George II Aug 2015 #10
He has experience as a human being Tom Rinaldo Aug 2015 #11
And Hillary Is In The Pocket Of Wall Street And Corporations - Her Husband Invented The 3rd Way cantbeserious Aug 2015 #14
Prove that she is in the pocket of Wall Street and Corporations cosmicone Aug 2015 #16
Follow The Money cantbeserious Aug 2015 #18
What follow the money? Show me proof not clichés cosmicone Aug 2015 #19
Here You Go - Wall Street - Large Corporations cantbeserious Aug 2015 #20
hahahahahahahahaha cosmicone Aug 2015 #25
Actually even less - 97.5% from individuals and 2.5% from PACs. George II Aug 2015 #27
OH geeze...here we go again. You "CANTBESERIOUS"!!! George II Aug 2015 #26
I Can Be Serious - Many Of Those Large Firms Force Their Senior Executives To Donate cantbeserious Aug 2015 #28
A senator from California gets donations from Silicon Valley employees cosmicone Aug 2015 #29
Money Always Demands Favors Were Politics Is Concerned cantbeserious Aug 2015 #30
Demands favors is different -- everyone demands favors cosmicone Aug 2015 #34
It's been reported that Ben and Jerry really put the screws to their employees to give to Sanders!!! George II Aug 2015 #33
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha n/t cosmicone Aug 2015 #35
Bullshit! It's "well known", just as "it's been reported" or "rumors are..." George II Aug 2015 #32
A Bit Naive cantbeserious Aug 2015 #36
Realistic....."eom" George II Aug 2015 #37
Are you sure you want to make this an issue? dragonfly301 Aug 2015 #31
And as soon as he graduated from college he high-tailed it out of that urban environment. George II Aug 2015 #46
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #2
According to many here, he's already done that. George II Aug 2015 #7
Bernie spoke eloquently against mass incarceration and/or the disproportinate numbers Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #12
And then he voted for the legislation. And people are calling other politicians "hypocrites"? George II Aug 2015 #13
As I said he tried to talk them out of it, the crime bill did have one redeeming portion which the Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #15
So he chose women and let the blacks hang out to dry n/t cosmicone Aug 2015 #17
As I said he tried to talk them out of it but they; ie President Clinton and the Congress Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #21
Keep trying to drive that wedge. blackspade Aug 2015 #40
This is great! blackspade Aug 2015 #39
Much of the discussion in this forum is nothing more than trollery. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #43
The response to this ought to be "That's a good thing!" Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #44

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
4. It's kind of ironic that someone from such a lily white state would care about
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 07:52 PM
Aug 2015

civil rights, but Bernie has always been expansive in his thinking.

He can and has looked past the trees and seen the forest.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
41. Exactly
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:46 AM
Aug 2015

Sanders has never needed the black vote to get elected in Vermont. And if every single black Vermont resident voted against him, he'd still had been elected to both the House and the Senate. But he's still spent his entire congressional career pushing for civil rights, all the same.

A member of Congress who actually doesn't pander to just his electorate or donors -- we don't see that anymore.

Report1212

(661 posts)
5. He has a much better civil rights record than Clinton
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 07:57 PM
Aug 2015

Despite representing a much less diverse state than her.

Guess that speaks well for him, pretty poorly for her.

George II

(67,782 posts)
9. What is insulting about that? From the United States Census Bureau:
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:08 PM
Aug 2015
Population, 2014 estimate

Vermont 626,562 USA 318,857,056

White alone, percent, 2013

Vermont 95.2% USA 77.7%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2013

Vermont 1.2% USA 13.2%

That's roughly 7,000 blacks STATE WIDE!

Response to George II (Reply #23)

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
42. And yet, thoughout his congressional career, Sanders has pushed for civil rights regardless
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

Considering how few black people the Vermont electorate has, it hasn't helped him politically one iota to support minority civil rights -- but he's done it all the same.

So all you managed to do was accidentally prove that Sanders is the genuine article and not a phony.

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. I don't think I proved anything, accidentally or intentionally. I would love to continue this...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 12:18 PM
Aug 2015

....discussion but I'm afraid any comments I make will be taken out of context turned against me.

Suffice it to say, from the day he marched with MLK (tens of thousands of people did that too, by the way) until the day he entered Congress 26 years later, he was not in a position to make a major impact on civil rights in the United States or, for that matter, in his home state of Vermont.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
11. He has experience as a human being
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:20 PM
Aug 2015

The whole point of a civil rights movement is that people must be treated equally regardless or racial background etc Is it your point that politicians in Vermont typically aren't strongly pressured by large voting blocks to prioritize addressing issues of racial justice? Fine, a good argument can be made for that position, but Bernie has always taken good positions on racial justice anyway. Will he need to be a more active spokesperson for that cause running for national office? Certainly, and I believe that transformation is underway ad needs to continue, but Bernie's heart has always been in a good place.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
16. Prove that she is in the pocket of Wall Street and Corporations
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:40 PM
Aug 2015

We need PROOF ... not just BS supporter memes

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
19. What follow the money? Show me proof not clichés
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:45 PM
Aug 2015

Show me a document where she is in the pocket of wall street and corporations.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
25. hahahahahahahahaha
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:28 PM
Aug 2015

That post PROVES Hillary is not in their "pocket"

1. First of all, those are donations for the ENTIRE CAREER.
2. The donations are divided between Individuals (employees of the company) and PACs. If you looked at it closely, 95% of that money came from INDIVIDUALS as in moms and pops. Only 5% came from PACs.

You have ZERO proof

George II

(67,782 posts)
26. OH geeze...here we go again. You "CANTBESERIOUS"!!!
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:37 PM
Aug 2015

WHY is it no one around here can understand campaign finance laws????

Look at the footnote (and link) below that chart.

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in 1999-2016. The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.

Of those top 20 "donors", the total was $8,388,021 and $8,181,675 (97.5%) CAME FROM INDIVIDUALS, only $206,346 came from PACs organized by those 20 "donors".

Why do you ask did she get almost $800,000 from EMPLOYEES of Citigroup? Because they're headquartered in NY (where she ran twice for Senator) and they have tens of thousands of employees in New York.

Now, why don't employees from Citigroup wind up near the top of Sanders' list of contributors? Because Citigroup has very few, if any, employees in Vermont and up until a few months ago Sanders participated only in elections within the state of Vermont.

PLEASE bookmark this so the next time this question arises you can read it again.

Thanks!

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
28. I Can Be Serious - Many Of Those Large Firms Force Their Senior Executives To Donate
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:41 PM
Aug 2015

This is well known.

However, since the advent of Citizens United, we don't know who is donating.

I still call HRC in the pocket of Wall Street and Large Corporations.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
29. A senator from California gets donations from Silicon Valley employees
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 09:55 PM
Aug 2015

and a senator from Michigan gets donations from auto industry.

Neither means they are in the "Pocket" of that group and claiming that is a very SERIOUS charge of corruption.

Then again, one could say that Bernie is in the pocket of chicken-coop farmers or bee keepers. Just because Vermont has almost no industry is not Hillary Clinton's fault.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
34. Demands favors is different -- everyone demands favors
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:05 PM
Aug 2015

The question is calling a senator corrupt without any evidence

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. It's been reported that Ben and Jerry really put the screws to their employees to give to Sanders!!!
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. Bullshit! It's "well known", just as "it's been reported" or "rumors are..."
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:08 PM
Aug 2015

I'm sure you have a source for that?

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
31. Are you sure you want to make this an issue?
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 10:04 PM
Aug 2015

Not that it matters but since you seem to be trying to make it an issue - he was born and raised in Brooklyn and went to college on the south side of Chicago - pretty sure both locations are more diverse than Park Ridge Il (1960 99.9% Black) or Wellesley!

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. And as soon as he graduated from college he high-tailed it out of that urban environment.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 12:21 PM
Aug 2015

If he was truly dedicated to advancing the plight of minorities, he would have either stayed in Chicago or returned to Brooklyn.

But he didn't.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. According to many here, he's already done that.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
Aug 2015

"the Democratic presidential candidate repeatedly vowed to address racism, police brutality and the nation's criminal justice system"

He's been saying this for weeks.

Now, will he admit that he was one of those in Congress who enabled "the nation's criminal justice system" as it exists today?

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
12. Bernie spoke eloquently against mass incarceration and/or the disproportinate numbers
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:23 PM
Aug 2015

of blacks imprisoned in 1991 and 1994.

It's too bad the rest of Congress didn't listen to him.



Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
15. As I said he tried to talk them out of it, the crime bill did have one redeeming portion which the
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:37 PM
Aug 2015

Republicans didn't want but Sanders supported, the Violence Against Women Act.

This also occurred after Waco in 1993.

Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
21. As I said he tried to talk them out of it but they; ie President Clinton and the Congress
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
Aug 2015

didn't listen.



http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/2012/04/24/bill-clinton-was-incredibly-destructive-for-black-people/

There are so many ways that the Clinton Presidency was toxic to black people in particular and people of color in general. I will periodically highlight some of his greatest hits against black people in the coming weeks. Today I want to focus on one piece of legislation that the U.S. Congress passed in 1994 which is still reverberating in 2012. The 1994 Omnibus Crime Bill (spearheaded by Joe Biden and Bill Clinton) cost $30 billion dollars and helped to accelerate the growth of the prison industrial complex in ways that we are only just beginning to understand. The bill’s provisions included:

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
43. Much of the discussion in this forum is nothing more than trollery.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:54 AM
Aug 2015

This thread is an excellent example.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
44. The response to this ought to be "That's a good thing!"
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:57 AM
Aug 2015

Instead we get "he's from a lily-white state" and "he voted wrong on a bill 20 years ago."

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