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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:25 PM Aug 2015

First Near-Fully Formed Brain Grown In Lab, Ohio State Scientists Say

Source: Huffington Post

Scientists at Ohio State University say they've grown the first near-complete human brain in a lab.

The brain organoid, if licensed for commercial lab use, could help speed research for neurological diseases and disorders, like Alzheimer's and autism, Rene Anand, an Ohio State professor who worked on the project, said in a statement Tuesday,

"The power of this brain model bodes very well for human health because it gives us better and more relevant options to test and develop therapeutics other than rodents,” Anand said.

The brain, engineered from adult human skin cells and grown in a dish for 15 weeks, is about the size of a pencil eraser, according to the university. It has the maturity of a 5-week-old fetal brain, and contains 99 percent of the genes in a fully developed human fetal brain.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lab-grown-brain_55d39c50e4b07addcb447156



Maybe they'll name it AB Normal:



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First Near-Fully Formed Brain Grown In Lab, Ohio State Scientists Say (Original Post) IDemo Aug 2015 OP
Damn, it's already smarter than the Republicans running for office. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #1
They could have stopped much sooner IDemo Aug 2015 #2
"this hypothesis is no longer espoused by the majority of comparative neuroscientists in the post- MisterP Aug 2015 #17
Quick - tell the Republicans about this packman Aug 2015 #3
Zombie L-I-K-E!! BRAINS! BRAINs! MMMmmmmmmmm benld74 Aug 2015 #4
Jokes aside, if this cuts down on animal experimentation, then it's a world-changing breakthrough Orrex Aug 2015 #5
I completely agree with you. n/t Metatron Aug 2015 #7
If only! Thanks for sharing your idea. It gives very many of us reason to hope for its success. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #44
Except it is an animal - and they make a logical, ethical, and scientific fallacy bananas Aug 2015 #50
Sounds like a perfect transplant for Rick Perry. roamer65 Aug 2015 #6
I think you need one first for it to be considered a "transplant" Fearless Aug 2015 #10
Woah if you hook it up to some lips, can it talk? lonestarnot Aug 2015 #8
been there, done that... 63splitwindow Aug 2015 #21
That's no brain, that's a fucking asshole. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #25
Bush must be excited! Fearless Aug 2015 #9
Uh-oh. Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2015 #11
Notice the first concern is licensing for commercial use? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #12
So high-level functioning that... Jerry442 Aug 2015 #13
If only this technology had been available in the Year 2000......!!!!!!! MADem Aug 2015 #14
Scott Walker says this brain will never get health insurance because it has a pre-existing condition Augiedog Aug 2015 #15
no effing wonder repubs hate science rurallib Aug 2015 #16
They'll never beat cat brains bucolic_frolic Aug 2015 #18
Great News! rambler_american Aug 2015 #19
No way this can go wrong... Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #20
a dish has the brain maturity of a 5-week old fetus? niyad Aug 2015 #34
Abby Normal! Sedona Aug 2015 #22
Hey Buckeyes...where are you keeping the 245 lb linebacker to drop this thing into? Still In Wisconsin Aug 2015 #23
Great! Now there's a treatment for teabaggers. nt valerief Aug 2015 #24
I think the Consevatives..... Grassy Knoll Aug 2015 #27
It's already smarter than a FOX News viewer AnnieBW Aug 2015 #26
First words: ''I am not a crook.'' Octafish Aug 2015 #28
I don't get this part from OP's source 6chars Aug 2015 #29
It's poorly worded in the article. jeff47 Aug 2015 #31
That makes much more sense. Thanks! 6chars Aug 2015 #32
The brain is 'turned on' but can't do anything about it? How cruel! randome Aug 2015 #43
Now who could use a brain? Say somebody who started an unneeded war which made Iran ... Botany Aug 2015 #30
the comment section is spot on..e.g"Step two: finding a conservative radio host willing to give it a riversedge Aug 2015 #33
Drive em crazy. truthisfreedom Aug 2015 #35
Obligatory sleazy 50's SciFi reference. longship Aug 2015 #36
K&R burrowowl Aug 2015 #37
I thought there were two? What happened to the other one...? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #38
Eye-gor stole it. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #47
Good. I was just hoping it didn't figure out how to leave by itself. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2015 #48
A brain the size of a pencil eraser? Like that's something new. pnwmom Aug 2015 #39
The Rush to Pre-Order fredamae Aug 2015 #40
in other news... Javaman Aug 2015 #41
Scientists discovered it plans to vote for Trump in the Republican Primary Monk06 Aug 2015 #42
Thanks for remembering Igor. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2015 #45
Props for the YF reference. cyberswede Aug 2015 #46
this is the best thread on DU today.... mike_c Aug 2015 #49
All of the animal parts they are poached for - Marthe48 Aug 2015 #51

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
2. They could have stopped much sooner
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015
Known as the R-Complex, this part of the brain is comprised of the brain stem and the cerebellum. The R stands for Reptile. This section of the brain has been nicknamed the Reptile Brain due to the fact that the behavioral traits for which it is responsible are most often observed in and associated with reptiles. These include pure survival instinct, direct stimulus-response, fight-or-flight response, competition, aggression, domination, repetition, ritual, and the desire to hoard resources.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. "this hypothesis is no longer espoused by the majority of comparative neuroscientists in the post-
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:57 PM - Edit history (1)

2000 era"

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
3. Quick - tell the Republicans about this
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:31 PM
Aug 2015

- "It has the maturity of a 5-week-old fetal brain" they can increase their maturity by 4 weeks. Also tell the Scarecrow and all those hungry zombies.

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
5. Jokes aside, if this cuts down on animal experimentation, then it's a world-changing breakthrough
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:39 PM
Aug 2015

k/r

Judi Lynn

(160,619 posts)
44. If only! Thanks for sharing your idea. It gives very many of us reason to hope for its success. n/t
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:18 AM
Aug 2015

bananas

(27,509 posts)
50. Except it is an animal - and they make a logical, ethical, and scientific fallacy
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015

From the article in the OP:

Speaking to The Guardian, Anand said ethical issues weren't a concern. “We don’t have any sensory stimuli entering the brain. This brain is not thinking in any way.”


He's expressing neuroscience dogma which is finally being overturned:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016120002

Watching a paradigm shift in neuroscience
http://bjoern.brembs.net/2015/03/watching-a-paradigm-shift-in-neuroscience/

Watching a paradigm shift in neuroscience
by Björn Brembs, March 26

When I finished my PhD 15 years ago, the neurosciences defined the main function of brains in terms of processing input to compute output: “brain function is ultimately best understood in terms of input/output transformations and how they are produced” wrote Mike Mauk in 2000. Since then, a lot of things have been discovered that make this stimulus-response concept untenable and potentially based largely on laboratory artifacts.

For instance, it was discovered that the likely ancestral state of behavioral organization is one of probing the environment with ongoing, variable actions first and evaluating sensory feedback later (i.e., the inverse of stimulus response).

<snip>

As one would expect, this dramatic shift in perspectives from input/output to output/input has led to a slew of recent publications which were not thinkable a mere 15 years ago.

<snip>

In the most recent annual meeting of the Society for Neuroscience, where I usually only find very few presentations on ongoing activity and how it leads to variability, there now were several posters on exactly this topic, seemingly out of nowhere.

<snip>

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
13. So high-level functioning that...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:52 PM
Aug 2015

...before it was connected to any sensory inputs, it had started from the basic premise, "I think, therefore I am" and had got as far as deduced the existence of rice pudding and income tax.

Apologies to Douglas Adams

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. If only this technology had been available in the Year 2000......!!!!!!!
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:52 PM
Aug 2015

Dubya coulda used one of those....might have improved his decsion making talents....

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
15. Scott Walker says this brain will never get health insurance because it has a pre-existing condition
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:53 PM
Aug 2015

that makes it smarter than he is. The disembodied cerebral edifice declared it was running for the republican presidential nomination and is looking for a tooth as a running mate. It will scour nascar audiences in pursuit of said tooth and running mate. Donald the trump says he wants to see the birth certificate and will deport the brain and any tooth that supports said brain. Jeb Bush said that it is not his brothers missing brain and any suggestion that it has a Cheney-ish grin is merely coincidence and cannot be used as evidence in any future criminal actions.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
16. no effing wonder repubs hate science
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:56 PM
Aug 2015

pretty soon teenagers will be growing smarter things in the high school lab than the Republicans have had in 60 years.

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
18. They'll never beat cat brains
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:02 PM
Aug 2015

for intelligence

Cats really know how to get what they want, and what is life
if it isn't that?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
20. No way this can go wrong...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:07 PM
Aug 2015
"Scientists at The Ohio State University have developed a nearly complete human brain in a dish that equals the brain maturity of a 5-week-old fetus."

So, smarter than your average conservative.
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
23. Hey Buckeyes...where are you keeping the 245 lb linebacker to drop this thing into?
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:17 PM
Aug 2015

You know, the one who also runs a 4.25 40?

(Sorry couldn't resist. Still hurting from that 59-0 beatdown)

6chars

(3,967 posts)
29. I don't get this part from OP's source
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:44 PM
Aug 2015

It has the maturity of a 5-week-old fetal brain, and contains 99 percent of the genes in a fully developed human fetal brain.

“If we let it go to 16 or 20 weeks, that might complete it, filling in that 1 percent of missing genes," Anand said. "We don’t know yet.”

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. It's poorly worded in the article.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:56 PM
Aug 2015

Every cell has every gene. You have "brain" genes in your foot, because every cell in your foot has all of your DNA. But in your foot, those brain genes are "turned off".

My guess is the scientists were talking about gene expression, not genes. Their mini-brain has "turned on" 99% of the brain genes.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
43. The brain is 'turned on' but can't do anything about it? How cruel!
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:55 AM
Aug 2015

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Botany

(70,581 posts)
30. Now who could use a brain? Say somebody who started an unneeded war which made Iran ...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:44 PM
Aug 2015

.... stronger and gave birth to ISIS




A national Championship and still time to make a new human brain ..... Go Bucks.

riversedge

(70,299 posts)
33. the comment section is spot on..e.g"Step two: finding a conservative radio host willing to give it a
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015




Mario Giordano · SUNY Plattsburgh
It immediately announced it was running for president.
Like · Reply · 18 · 2 hrs
Genevieve Friday King
GOP ticket?
Like · Reply · 2 · 25 mins
John Blaze · Seattle, Washington
Genevieve Friday King All it needs is a toupee.
Like · Reply · 1 · 5 mins
Dover Bill
Step two: finding a conservative radio host willing to give it a test drive?
Like · Reply · 8 · 2 hrs
Krikor Hagopian · Atlanta, Georgia
"It has the maturity of a 5-week-old fetal brain". It has full constitutional rights! You can't epxeriment on it. In fact, you need to let it come full term! What, you need tax payer dollars to continue to feed it...never mind.
Like · Reply · 6 · 1 hr
Miguel Perro · Duquesne University
Can it just go ahead and get a concealed-carry permit, or would it be hard to get fingerprints?
Like · Reply · 3 · 1 hr
Dharken O'Dale
Surgically implant it into one of the many GOP presidential hopefuls, all of them are short one.
Like · Reply · 4 · 1 hr
Elizabeth Matkowski Frederick
Finally, hope for Republicans.

pnwmom

(108,994 posts)
39. A brain the size of a pencil eraser? Like that's something new.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 05:23 AM
Aug 2015

We've got plenty of people with that size brain already.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
40. The Rush to Pre-Order
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:20 AM
Aug 2015

and reserve list out of this GOP controlled congress and state houses must be overwhelming - lol
But remember, it's the ones who think they're "ok-it's everybody else" who need them the most...but will never sign up

Oh, this is fun..

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
41. in other news...
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:26 AM
Aug 2015

republican front runners, while openly condemning the "growing of a brain" in a lab, have secretly put in their own bids for a replacement of their own.

Marthe48

(17,018 posts)
51. All of the animal parts they are poached for -
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

- please grow those too. Tusks, gall bladders, horn --- and flood the world with so much, it loses the attraction.

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