GOP hopeful Huckabee says West Bank is part of Israel
Source: Associated Press
GOP hopeful Huckabee says West Bank is part of Israel
Updated 1:52 am, Wednesday, August 19, 2015
JERUSALEM (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee waded into Middle East politics on Tuesday by declaring the West Bank to be part of Israel.
Huckabee was speaking to reporters at Ancient Shiloh, for which a modern settlement nearby is named and where tradition holds the ancient Israelites kept the tabernacle with Moses' tablets on its way to Jerusalem.
"I am delighted tonight to be here at Shiloh. It is an exciting place and an important place. It is the place where the tabernacle once was. It's a place of Biblical history," he said.
He told reporters "if you're going to visit Israel you should visit all of Israel, and that would include Judea and Samaria," the biblical names for the West Bank.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/GOP-hopeful-Huckabee-says-West-Bank-is-part-of-6450968.php
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redgreenandblue
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TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)
former9thward
(32,080 posts)Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israel's claim to sovereignty. They became permanent residents instead. They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)They preferred a Jew-free county.
captainarizona
(363 posts)huckaboob didn't say what to do with the palestinians living there. let them become voting citizens of israel? I doubt it. get rid of them huckaboob would be ok with that ;but the rest of the world wouldn't. aparthide? israel already tried that.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It's not that hard to figure out. He wants to send them somewhere else.
Turbineguy
(37,366 posts)the U.S.
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)that could be really fun theater..........
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)who are allowed to vote, travel and live where they please and not subject to group reprisals. The genocide perpetrated against the Palestinians by the Israelis is not justified by other genocides against other groups, or even by the genocide by the Germans against Jews. Israel commits apartheid as part of its genocide to destroy the people and culture that pre-existed modern Israel. No amount of fancy rhetoric erases the guilt of the people perpetrating the genocide, or the guilt of those fellow travelers rhetorically covering it up.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)The Israelis are not engaged in genocide or apartheid.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)That stuff is not made up.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Arab citizens of Israel have full citizenship rights, just like all other Israelis.
Unlike Arab citizens in surrounding counties, they have freedom of religion, movement, travel, and access to all sorts of government programs, and are far wealthier and better educated than Arabs in the surrounding areas.
They can even be gay and not face death like in the surrounding areas.
In fact, Christian Arab citizens of Israel have the highest per capita income of all Israelis. In the PA and Syria, they are killed.
Most Arab citizens of Israel are extremely pleased to be Israeli and many gladly serve in the IDF to protect their country.
(Mandatory draft being the one legal distinction between Arabs and Jews -- Arabs are not required to serve, in respect to their close family ties to the surrounding areas, although many do volunteer.)
Seriously, just stop the lies.
Not sure when Jew-hate became hip among the Left. I thought we stopped that crap in 1945.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)You should be appalled and ashamed at what Israel is doing to Palestinians. Instead, you pettifog around it. The people in the West Bank and Gaza have just as much right to be treated as people as the citizens of Israel. Instead, they have been dehumanized.
Israelis aren't as bad as post 1942 Nazis. But it really is fair to compare them to pre-1942 Nazis. It is despicable.
And before you go trashing me for making the comparison, mere words, remember that the Israelis are doing more than mere words: they are committing the actual acts of genocide and apartheid on the people of the West Bank and Gaza. So take your pretended offendedness about words, and remember that your words about hurt feelings ignore actions that kill Palestinians.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's a sad state of affairs.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)that kills and oppresses Palestinians, a reality that many supporters of Israel are okay with. They do nothing about the killing and oppression, what they object to is when someone points out the disgusting similarity of the West Bank and Gaza to Apartheid and the pre-Holocaust Jewish Ghettos set up by the Nazis. Surviving victims of the Holocaust, like the late Dr. Hajo Meyer found the comparison morally required.
What is sad is that so many Israelis are, when it comes to anti-Palestinian pogroms, are behaving exactly as the non-Jewish Germans did, and many are committing crimes.
Yeah, Nazi-lite. That is what the world thinks of Israel when it comes to Palestinians. Including Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. Hope it makes your stomach churn as badly as mine does.
Yes, telling it like it is is allowed here.
Syzygy321
(583 posts)What bothers me is the stupid "good guys vs bad guys" dichotomy that those people adhere to - the desire to paint Palestinians as helpless blameless victims and Israelis as evil aggressors. Anyone who glances at history (of the last several thousand years, or the last 1400, or the last 100) - or even looks at a map of the world color-coded by religion - should be ashamed to make such a claim.
A shrill and childish mob of (questionable) liberals has dumbed down an intricate and tragic situation into a bleat of "Jews Bad! Arabs Good! Baaaaah!"
It's irritating because it's dumb and incredibly boring.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)As a person of European Jewish ancestry, I find it disgusting that Israelis like the Prime Minister use the wiping out of my European Jewish relatives to justify killing and oppressing Palestinians.
Syzygy321
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disgusting that many of the world's Muslims (esp Arab ones) have - with their antisemitism, brutish violence, idiotic dreams of Allah's conquest, and brutal manipulation/oppression of all Palestinian people - taught the nation of Israel that it must be militant because its bigoted enemies certainly are.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and avoid violence. The world has a lot of bigots in it, and we need to police our own personal selves and our own governments.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-weird-things-you-learn-when-youre-raised-to-be-racist/
Most of us know this.
We also have to remember that there are people out there who will intentionally egg along violence and racism to get what they want: power, money, attention or something else.
Syzygy321
(583 posts)was to be left alone. Christianity and Islam did all the conquering and the persecuting. And today's Christians and Muslims seem hell-bent on pretending (as always) that Jews cause all the trouble and their own hands are lily-white.
I am glad some of your European Jewish ancestors were allowed to live long enough to make your life possible.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)The Israeli government, with the support of its people, is committing genocide and apartheid on the people living in Gaza and the West Bank. And you are creating dust and smoke and confusion to distract from the issue.
I condemn the violence and apartheid policies of the Israeli government and people. They have no right to cut off the people of Gaza and the West Bank from the rest of the world. They have no right to kill civilians in their efforts to capture and kill the perpetrators of violence who are doing what we approved in some of the victims of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. They have no more right to kill the violent individuals in Gaza and the West Bank than the Nazis did the violent individuals who rose up in the Warsaw Ghetto.
As for hands being "lily-white" that seems to be the difference. Israel is okay doing these things to people with brown hands. It shouldn't be. All these people on both sides, both men and women, combatants and victims and bystanders are our brothers and sisters. Every last one of them.
Whether my ancestors lived long enough to "make my life possible" is utterly irrelevant. I gather that is a snide way of being sarcastic and getting around the rules and avoiding the awful, tired and usual Israeli insult of: "too bad Hitler didn't get you." It's transparent. Hatred disguised as courtesy is usually quite transparent. Hitler didn't get me and my ancestors left before he was born. Your offense at my existence or not isn't relevant to the problem and doesn't bother me. They are mere words and ideas. I say what I mean, you hide behind sarcasm. Modern Israelis are no different than Germans who were silent or rhetorically defended Naziism. My existence and my complaining about Israeli genocide offends you. My comparisons offend you. Your personal offense at the truth is a very speck of dust in the desert of evil in the world. The people in Gaza and the West Bank deserve the same kind of rights and nutrition and respect as the people on the other side of the barriers. Your hurt feelings mean nothing in comparison to their lost and shattered and ruined lives. Patriotism gave us Good Germans, and it gives us Good Israelis. And lots of dead bodies.
You blame the Arabs for antisemitism and not helping the Palestinians. It's not the job of the Arabs to help the Palestinians. The Arabs haven't systematically disenfranchised and eliminated the Palestinians to the West Bank and Gaza from what is now Israel. Israel has. The Israeli people have voted again and again to continue these policies. And the policies of Netanyahu are really no different than that of the hard line ayatollahs in Iran: stir up fear, hatred and loathing for an outside enemy as a way to form a coalition against diplomatic solutions that involve compromise. Ultimately, the people of Israel and Iran are responsible and bear the consequences for the policies of their government, whether that government is a democracy of all the people within the territories they control or not. As for the Arabs who are antisemitic, and they certainly exist, there are Israelis who are anti-Arab and anti-Iranian and anti-Palestinian. That too isn't relevant until it translates to policy. Hard feelings go all around. Oppressive policies must be retracted.
Rabin tried to make peace, and the monsters assassinated him to stop it. These same madmen would destroy the whole world rather than compromise for peace. And if they get the chance, that is what they will do rather than work and be vigilant to have peace. If peace ever comes, it will not be easy to achieve, nor will it be easy to keep.
Dr. Mayer and Jimmy Carter have been rightly critical of Israel. Mayer called it genocide. Correctly, I would add. Carter calls it apartheid. Also correctly. I think Dr. Mayer was closer to making the more apt historical comparison. It is an ugly, ugly truth. The truth is so ugly, particularly in view of the genocide against all Jews, that I do not point it out because it is the truth, but rather so that the killing and oppression and genocide stop.
The US eventually stopped the Vietnam war because enough people in the United States (and in the armed forces) realized that it was morally no different than World War II, except that we were the bad guys. The people who still argue the lost cause refuse to see that point of view. Now that the killing is over, they delude themselves. It is also similar to the American Civil War revisionists of the Lost Cause of the South who think the war had nothing to do with slavery, yet fail to read the secession declarations and speeches of the politicians of 1860. They were very plain that it was about slavery. The effects of that denial still oppress black lives in the US.
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Mosby
(16,350 posts)So let's just correct what you said about President Carter.
This is what he said:
I know that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/carters-rhetoric-of-apartheid/
So your assertion that President Carter called Israel an Apartheid state is simply wrong, like most of your assertions about Israel.
LuvLoogie
(7,028 posts)The Stranger
(11,297 posts)If you're going to put it in quotation marks and focus all of that furious typing on it, at least spell it correctly.
And none of that which you type really addresses the question. If Israel wants to tell itself that it oppresses one group less than another nearby country, that's all well and good. But it doesn't have anything to do with the question of Israeli apartheid.
The fact of that matter is that Israel is trying to do exactly what South Africa did. South Africa had a minority population from outside of the region come into live among a majority indigenous population, yet not form a democracy and state with the indigenous population.
So that had to disenfranchise the indigenous population. Israel doesn't let the Palestinians that have always been there vote. Your attempt to say some are permitted to vote actually reinforces the apartheid reality. In order to stay in power, the minority has to disenfranchise the majority.
But then there is the bothersome fact of their presence. You can't take people's land and then just let them hang around. So you put them in townships. Or, in the apartheid 2.0 Israeli version, you put them in refugee camps. Then you just shut them into one giant township/refugee camp/ghetto and call it "Gaza."
So the similarities are as undeniable as they are disheartening. And no matter how many times you bring up "1945" -- you just have 1967-2015 staring you in the face.
But you'll come around.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)and the "West Bank" is governed by the PA and the Israelis per the Oslo 2 agreement, which was signed by both parties.
Jews are indigenous to the Levant and Maghreb, they have lived continuously in those areas for more than three thousand years.
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Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Bibi is an imperialist and the Huckster doesn't need to be his dupe.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Israel is one of the smallest countries in the world.
Syzygy321
(583 posts)by certain people (we won't say who) to suck the blood of decent Muslims and Christians, and rule the world with their noses and gold and dentistry skills and so forth.
Sheesh. Everyone knows this.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)suck it while you can
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)No one else comes close.
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)from bending over backwards to be offended.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-big-gop-prize-shelly-adelsons-war-chest/
http://www.msnbc.com/now-with-alex-wagner/watch/shelly-adelson-faces-damaging-allegations-445803075976
Mosby
(16,350 posts)But calling a RW Jewish man a woman is OK?
Got it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that you will sink to such depths of bullshit whining in order to defend a rightwing plutocrat.
In the off chance that you really are so uninformed that you think that using "Shelly" to refer to men named "Sheldon" is a gender slur, I suggest you take it up with Sheldon Silver, until recently the Speaker of the New York State Assembly, and yes he's a man.
And he has a personal website:
http://shellysilver.org/
Anyhow, I don't have time for people who peddle this level of dissembling nonsense.
You can have the last word, I won't have another for you.
Mosby
(16,350 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I have friend named Sheldon that goes by 'Shelly.'
Nice try...
Mosby
(16,350 posts)No one ever called him shelly.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)talk about foreign policy in the middle east and Israel, I'm very skeptical about how they reached their conclusions. I just don't think it's possible for them to separate what's best for the country and the people living there from what they believe their faith suggests. And I don't think we should be making decisions like that based on a belief in ancient texts.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Huckabee doesn't want them to have their own country and self-determination. What do we do with them? Drive them into the sea? Kill them? Or give them all Israeli citizenship? Or are they anchor babies too who have no birthright and have to be deported to a country not their own that won't accept them?
Beta Male
(52 posts)GOP Hopeless Huckabee! 