Huckabee On Kentucky Clerk's Jailing: Even Serial Killer Jeffrey Dahmer Got Bail!

[DonViejo]

Source: TPM

Republican presidential candidate former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said on Friday during an appearance on Fox News that serial killers got better treatment by the American justice system than the Kentucky county clerk who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Huckabee has been one of the most vocal presidential candidates to defend Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis after she was jailed Thursday on contempt of federal court. The ex-governor brought up the comparison to serial killers during an interview on Fox's "America's Newsroom."

"Jeffery Dahmer got bail, the Boston Stranger got bail, John Wayne Gacy got bail," Huckabee said. "Kim Davis, because of her convictions, was not given bail." Huckabee said he will host a rally on Tuesday in Grayson, Kentucky in support of Davis. "What she did was follow the Kentucky Constitution," he said. "This is an unbelievable moment in American history."

Because Huckabee's poll numbers have remained low, Fox News anchor Martha MacCallum asked how he feels about the state of his presidential campaign. "Summer blockbusters never win the Oscars," Huckabee said in a vague insult to current GOP frontrunner Donald Trump.

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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. There's no such thing as bail if someone is jailed for contempt.

Bail is for when you've been charged with a crime by complaint or indictment and you are awaiting trial. If the judge thinks you won't skip town or commit another crime in the meantime you'll be let out pending trial if you put up some money, like a bail bond, to ensure your appearance.

The whole point of being jailed for contempt, on the other hand, is to make a person comply with a court order. In this case the judge knew that a fine wouldn't ensure her compliance because the fundies would pay it for her. His job is to see to it that she complies with the order. There's no bail for contempt because that would defeat the entire purpose.

Huckabee is an idiot. But we knew that.

[Botany]

10. Hey arrest, indictment, a trial, conviction, sentencing, bail, contempt of court and so on .....

..... they are all the same.

BTW I looked up Jeffery Dahmer's wiki page and was never given bail matter of
fact Dahmer confessed to 16 murders w/in days of his arrest

[bulloney]

12. But, Huckabee makes these remarks to his mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging base

who doesn't know better, inflames the base and scores a ton of cool points from his base.

[thebighobgoblin]

21. Yahtzee!

Summed it up pretty well.

[underpants]

52. One response needed and that was it

Thanks VO

[muriel_volestrangler]

2. He just told people he doesn't understand 'bail' and 'contempt of court'

People get bail before a conviction, because they are presumed innocent until found guilty. Kim Davis has already been found in contempt of court, and so she is serving her sentence for that.

[jberryhill]

29. She is not serving a "sentence"

She can go free anytime she wants. When or if that happens is entirely up to her.

You don't get "one month for contempt" of an injunction. You walk as soon as you agree to abide by it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. In Britain, we talk of a sentence for contempt

eg http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/contempt_of_court/

Being in jail/prison wasn't an automatic outcome; he could have fined her while she continued to defy the ruling, but instead he put her in jail. I think 'sentence' is an appropriate word.

[jberryhill]

34. There can be a fixed term for certain types of contempt

But not in this type of situation where we are dealing with failure to comply with an injunctive order.

For example, in the federal system, 3 months is a typical sentence for contempt.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/md-court-of-appeals/1220827.html

THE COURT:  I asked you if you had anything you want to say as to what sentence the Court should impose-

THE DEFENDANT:  Yeah. You know what?   You can give me six more months, motherfucker, for sucking my dick, you punk ass bitch.   You should have a white robe on, motherfucker, instead of a black.

Fuck you.

THE COURT:  I find you in contempt again.

THE DEFENDANT:  Fuck you in contempt again.

THE COURT:  I find you three times in contempt

THE DEFENDANT:  Fuck you.

And fuck.

THE COURT:  On each charge, the Court will impose a sentence of five months to run consecutive to each other and consecutive to any sentence you are now serving or obligated to serve.

THE DEFENDANT:  Yeah. You better leave now, you, Ku Klux Klan.

THE COURT:  The Court will adjourn.

THE DEFENDANT:  Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you, you, Ku Klux Klan-

(Whereupon, the Proceedings were concluded.)

So if this was a situation where there was a fixed term, then "sentence" would be appropriate.

[awoke_in_2003]

47. Yep. "Contempt of court"...

boils down to "contempt of judge". The judge makes that decision, and not a jury.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Kim Davis had her day in court, she is guilty of comptempt of court, she has now started serving her

sentence. She was given another chance to stay out of jail, she turned it down.

It is also becoming apparent Huckabee is standing behind those accused of bad things, he stood up for Joshua Duggar, the reverend is losing his way.

[liberal N proud]

4. I don't think Huckleberry understands the law much

And that is part of the problem, people like him are giving guidance to people like her telling them they don't have to pay attention to the laws if their faith wants them to break the law.

[hobbit709]

5. Or much of anything else.

[Angry Dragon]

36. little Micky understands NOTHING

[ileus]

6. This woman is more dangerous than Dahmer....she's a danger to everyone.

[mysuzuki2]

7. Neither Dahmer or Gacy got bail

This guy just keeps pulling stuff out of his ass.

[Botany]

11. +1

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I just looked up Dahmer's wiki page and not only did he never get bail but
he confessed to 16 murders w/in a day or so of his arrest.

[bulloney]

13. And that's a pretty big resource to pull stuff from.

Because of this, it's a good bet there's more of this crap to look forward to in the future.

[catnhatnh]

17. Actually they both did get bail...

Not for their ultimate crimes but for earlier charges. Huckabee is not lying, just distorting and misdirecting. That's what "real" Christians do-deceive purposely but legalisticly protect themselves from breaking a commandment...

[atreides1]

41. He is lying!

distortion of the truth
noun: deceitfulness, exaggeration, fabrication, faking, falsehood, falsity, garbling, lie, lying, mendacity, misconstruction, misinterpretation, misrepresentation, mythomania, perfidy, perversion, sophistry, spuriousness, untruthfulness

Associated concepts: perjury, uttering a false statement

[okojo]

43. I don’t think this has nothing to do with facts, as much as slurs..

I think Mike Huckabee intentionally used Jeffery Dahmmer and John Wayne Gacy as examples because they were serial killers who were self loathing homosexuals. Basically the dog whistle to his wing nut followers is that Gays had more rights than Kim Davis, even serial killing homosexuals.. This is sort of the underhanded slur that the Right Wing are known for..

[awoke_in_2003]

48. Good point. Welcome to DU. nt

[City Lights]

8. ..."because of her convictions, was not given bail."

[Liberalagogo]

9. Just STFU.

That's all you need to do Mikey. STFU.

[elleng]

14. Not for Contempt of Court, asshole!

[truthisfreedom]

15. Ignorant also-ran.

[GOLGO 13]

16. I like that he's comparing her to some of the most attrocious human beings to walk the planet...

Birds of a feather & all that.

[MyNameGoesHere]

18. Oh Mikey

are you sure you want to go down this road?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mike-huckabee-clemency-freed-maurice-clemmons-washington-cop-shooter-suspect/story?id=9207095

[backscatter712]

19. Hucksterbee is such a dumbfuck! There's no bail in civil contempt.

The whole point is to make a person follow an order of the court, and if the penalty for contempt is jail, it defeats the purpose to grant bail and let him or her out.

[longship]

20. What a maroon! What an ignoranimous! What a Cararagoondiay!

[d_legendary1]

22. She failed to follow a court order

How do you get bail for something the court instructed you to do and didn't comply with it? What an effing moron!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. They present this as part of the War on Christianity.....

They want to claim she's been jailed for her believes.

I wonder if she's going to spread her arms out in court like she's on the cross when they read the sentence.

Why not?

Charley Manson did.

[47of74]

24. Again Huckabee really needs to shut the fuck up about anything

[Demeter]

25. Have you ever seen him live on TV? His eyes are scary

[47of74]

37. That I'm a semi-divine being sort of look?

Like that dumbass war criminal Shrub had?

[Demeter]

40. Reminds me of my ex

"more of a I'm a screaming psychopath and you are in my way" look

[Fred Sanders]

26. Bail for contempt of court? Jail is the whole point of a citation for contempt! As fake a lawyer as he iseligious fake.

These Christian religious extremists really have no concept, or pretend not to, of the rule of law in a secular state.

Harvard Law grad Cruz is even in on playing very dumb and pious again to appease the "base".....what the fuck is this "base" that swallows this shit, someone might ask?

[louis-t]

27. He's going to see her in jail.

Wonder how long it will take for the other clowns to trip over themselves trying to get mileage out of this.

[jberryhill]

28. How was this man a governor? She can walk any time she wants

There is no "bail" for contempt. It's not a criminal charge.

Anyone being held for contempt of a court order can walk right out of jail for FREE anytime they want to.

[Sunlei]

30. She gets her 80k a year & hired 2 of her kids. Vacate her position, others already finished the job.

[47of74]

38. Yeah that sounded kind of fishy to me when I heard that.

[Sunlei]

39. She's an elected official in an old school county. Lots of them hire friends and family.

Time to vacate/retire those old positions.

We have computers now and old school BIGOT counties need to be upgraded to this century.

[CanonRay]

31. You don't get bail for contempt of court

that's why you are IN the jail. What a friggin idiot, just perfect for the dumb asses who like him.

[Blue Owl]

33. Kim Davis got Baal

n/t

[PeaceNikki]

35. Really? Jeffrey Dahmer got a broomstick bashed him upside his head.

[okojo]

42. Judith Miller didn’t get bail for her contempt of court..

I see both Mike Huckabee and Todd Stearnes do these logical fallacies all the time. They try to put square pegs in circle holes. They try to push their lies, (Lincoln defied the Dred Scott Decision, tell that to the Border States that had slavery and remained in the Union, Kim Davis is being punished for her beliefs) They are just bad lies, and easily discounted with empirical evidence..

[47of74]

49. Clearly they learned nothing from James Dobson

He was all about pounding pegs in holes.

[yellowcanine]

44. Chuckles doesn't understand our legal system. Bail would not make a whole lot of sense for contempt.

The idea is that you sit in jail until you decide to obey the judge's order. Either you blink or the judge blinks. That is how it works. May be a crappy system but what is the alternative? If people can just disobey a lawful order from a judge there is no rule of law.

[yellowcanine]

45. "Summer blockbusters never win the Oscars," Huckabee said. Neither do summer flops, Chuckles.

[Leith]

46. He Let Susan McDougal Sit in Jail on Contempt Charges While He Was Governor

He didn't have a hell of a lot to say about that.

[underpants]

51. Well done

We forget about the McDougals because they are ignored by the media.

[DRoseDARs]

50. Wayne DuMond

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...I'm sorry, what were you saying, Mike?