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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:02 PM Sep 2015

Sanders Likens Pro-Hillary Super PAC To Koch Brothers After Attack Email

Source: TPM

By Caitlin MacNeal PublishedSeptember 15, 2015, 1:59 PM EDT

After a super PAC supporting Hillary Clinton circulated an email criticizing Bernie Sanders, the Vermont senator compared them to the Koch brothers.

Correct the Record, a group founded by Clinton ally David Brock to defend her throughout her presidential bid, has been circulating a memo critical of Sanders, the Huffington Post reported on Monday. The email compared Sanders to Jeremy Corbyn, the recently elected leader of the United Kingdom's Labour Party, after highlighting Corbyn's comments referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends," according to the Huffington Post. The memo also reportedly linked Sanders to the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

In an email to supporters on Tuesday, Sanders lamented that he had been "attacked by a Clinton super PAC."

"Yesterday, one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent Super PACs attacked our campaign pretty viciously. They suggested I’d be friendly with Middle East terrorist organizations, and even tried to link me to a dead communist dictator," the email from Sanders campaign reads. "It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson, and it’s the second time a billionaire Super PAC has tried to stop the momentum of the political revolution we’re building together."

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-pac-koch



A Pro-Clinton Super PAC Is Going Negative On Bernie Sanders

WASHINGTON -- A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

The Democratic candidates have refrained from criticizing each other directly. Sanders has obliquely knocked Clinton for not stating her position on the Keystone XL pipeline, and hasn't made an issue of her use of a private email server and account while at the State Department. Clinton, in turn, almost never mentions Sanders' name and has focused on her Republican rivals.

Monday's Correct the Record email strays from that pattern. The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments." Among those was the suggestion that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was "a tragedy," since there was no attempt to arrest the former al Qaeda leader and put him on trial. The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11
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Sanders Likens Pro-Hillary Super PAC To Koch Brothers After Attack Email (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2015 OP
Koch bros funded the DLC. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #1
Brutal. nt thereismore Sep 2015 #2
Brutal yes , but who do you think it will hurt? karynnj Sep 2015 #11
She has bad people around her. Some incompetent, some outright bad. thereismore Sep 2015 #13
It has already backfired. Barky Bark Sep 2015 #15
Mediamatters' Brock is a virulent gun-prohibitionist. Expect more Gunz™ issues... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #23
I don't think the Kochs micromanaged the DLC Warpy Sep 2015 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #3
K&R MissDeeds Sep 2015 #4
Waiting for Hillary to condemn this and issue an apology to the Sanders campaign..... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #5
and... Liberalagogo Sep 2015 #8
Her campaign is biggest donor to this super pac Report1212 Sep 2015 #9
Apt comparison. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #6
K & R. Slime attack. Way to go Bernie for the fightback! appalachiablue Sep 2015 #7
Slime time! SoapBox Sep 2015 #12
Reeks Old Codger Sep 2015 #14
Facts bl968 Sep 2015 #16
"facts'? "Counterpunch" is a joke! The fact is they dont even have toilet paper. 7962 Sep 2015 #19
Venezuela is a bit of a disaster ... Trajan Sep 2015 #27
Any campaign that is forced into... PosterChild Sep 2015 #28
Apparently telling lies on political forums wasn't doing the trick Android3.14 Sep 2015 #17
that's great news! woundedkarma Sep 2015 #18
Did Corbyn really say such nonsense? 7962 Sep 2015 #20
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2015 #21
k&r! ozone_man Sep 2015 #25
Brock is such slime. He explains in detail all the lies moonscape Sep 2015 #22
OMG! Bernie's just like that Chavez guy who gave heating assistance to the poor! Scuba Sep 2015 #24
Total sleaze Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #26
dark money portlander23 Sep 2015 #29
You have seen the email? Please share it. Darb Sep 2015 #30
Beyond being just tactically short sighted Babel_17 Sep 2015 #31
Backfired big time. Major Hogwash Sep 2015 #32
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Koch bros funded the DLC.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:06 PM
Sep 2015

And although the DLC has 're-branded', Hillary still has the Koch stench all over....albeit somewhat diluted by the Kissinger stench.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
11. Brutal yes , but who do you think it will hurt?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:42 PM
Sep 2015

Given the nature of the attack and the Sanders response, this could backfire. I think HRC needs to rein Brock in. What it seems to me is that he has not so much changed his stripes, but his allegiance.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
13. She has bad people around her. Some incompetent, some outright bad.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:54 PM
Sep 2015

This will backfire, just like the stuff they pulled against Barack Obama.
 

Barky Bark

(70 posts)
15. It has already backfired.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:28 PM
Sep 2015

David Brock is a known right-wing liar. He'll never get Bernie. It'll only magnifies Clinton more, and not in a good way.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
23. Mediamatters' Brock is a virulent gun-prohibitionist. Expect more Gunz™ issues...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:26 PM
Sep 2015

from him. We pro-2A Democrats have to put up with a lot of cut & paste stuff from Mediamatters. Expect more of it to come Bernie's way.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
10. I don't think the Kochs micromanaged the DLC
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:39 PM
Sep 2015

but they saw a conservative wing of the Democratic Party as working to their advantage and hedged their bets. They do micromanage a lot of their pets in the GOP.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
5. Waiting for Hillary to condemn this and issue an apology to the Sanders campaign.....
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:26 PM
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SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
12. Slime time!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:50 PM
Sep 2015

Wow...slimy...and desperate...and disgusting.

Over and over we're seeing this increasing pattern from her campaign and her supporters of going after Bernie in stupid ways. The attacks from so many Entrenched Establishment types are really becoming obvious. Gutierrez, Claire, Deb!, Carville, Ellen and so many others that escape my brain, that stampede to support her.

And what's she offering? Same old, same old stuff. Admittedly she is not a populist or progressive but now a centrist /moderate...until it changes again. Where has she been? Oh...holding private $2700 per plate fundraisers with billionaires and millionaires or doing "invitation only, Conversation with Hill" things or...being roped off. No rallies, no town halls and there will be essentially no debating her. They know she's a losing proposition, where millions of us were going to hold our noses to vote for her because the alternative is unacceptable.

We now have an option...a very viable and appealing candidate in Bernie Sanders.

Smooth move Brock...your stupidity is gonna leave a mark...on her!

bl968

(360 posts)
16. Facts
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:41 PM
Sep 2015

They attempted to attack #BernieSanders by saying he was like Hugo Chavez so lets look at what he accomplished.

Venezuela is now the country in the region with the lowest inequality level having reduced inequality by 54%, poverty by 44%. Poverty has been reduced from 70.8% (1996) to 21% (2010). And extreme poverty reduced from 40% (1996) to a very low level of 7.3% (2010). About 20 million people have benefited from anti-poverty programs.2.1 million elderly people have received old-age pensions – that is 66% of the population while only 387,000 received pensions before the current government.

Venezuela is the 3rd county in the region whose population reads the most. There is tuition free education from daycare to university; 72% of children attend public daycares and 85% of school age children attend school.

The country places 2nd in Latin America and 5th in the world with the greatest proportions of university students. In fact, 1 out of every 3 Venezuelans are enrolled in some educational program.

Venezuela is now tied with Finland as the 5th country with the happiest population in the world.

Before the Chavez government in 1998, 21% of the population was malnourished. Venezuela now has established a network of subsidized food distribution including grocery stores and supermarkets.

Five million Venezuelan receive free food, four million of them are children in schools and 6,000 food kitchens feed 900,000 people. The agrarian reform and policies to help agricultural producers have increased domestic food supply. The results of all these food security measures is that today malnourishment is only 5%, and child malnutrition which was 7.7% in 1990 today is at 2.9%.

While 90% of the food was imported in 1980, today this is less than 30%. Misión Agro-Venezuela has given out 454,238 credits to rural producers and 39,000 rural producers have received credit in 2012 alone.

*infant mortality dropped from 25 per 1000 (1990) to only 13/1000 (2010);

*An outstanding 96% of the population has now access to clean water (one of the goals of the revolution);

*In 1998, there were 18 doctors per 10,000 inhabitants, currently there are 58, and the public health system has about 95,000 physicians;

In 6 years 19,840 homeless have been attended through a special program; and there are practically no children living on the streets.

We certainly could use a little of that here in the United States. #FeeltheBern

Read more

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/14/the-achievements-of-hugo-chavez/

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. "facts'? "Counterpunch" is a joke! The fact is they dont even have toilet paper.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:30 PM
Sep 2015

Sure "wealth inequality" has dropped; EVERYONE IS POOR NOW. How has food supply increased dramatically when the stores are all empty?
We need VZ's health care? They've got doctors with nothing to work with! Here's an actual true article on their health care being in crisis!
https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/04/29/venezuelas-health-care-crisis
Homelessness almost gone? tell it to these folks who get up at 4am to go get in a food line last year:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/29/us-venezuela-homeless-idUSBREA3S0DQ20140429
Infant mortality is 13? Nope, its closer to 19, which puts them at number 93 in the world. I'll take the US's 6/1000
http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&type=19

Venezuela is a FAILURE at almost everything except dragging everyone down to the same level.
And they have more oil than anyone else. When it was 100 a barrel, these problems STILL existed.

I think Bernie knows he's MUCH better off not being compared to a disaster!

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
27. Venezuela is a bit of a disaster ...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:19 PM
Sep 2015

Hardly the poster child for long term success.

How bout if we look elsewhere?

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
28. Any campaign that is forced into...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 09:04 PM
Sep 2015

... defending itself by defending "the facts" about Venzualia is doomed . Bernie is a self proclamed "democratic socialists " and Venzualia is a self proclamed "democratic socialist " regime . This is just the beginning . Of the end.

 

woundedkarma

(498 posts)
18. that's great news!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:47 PM
Sep 2015

Haha... So Sanders has gotten so popular that Clinton has to start attacking him? That means she sees him as a threat. Which is good news for everyone who likes Sanders.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. Did Corbyn really say such nonsense?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

I think I'd have to hear it for myself to believe anyone can be that stupid.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
21. Kicked and recommended!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
Sep 2015


"There must be some kind of way out of here, "
Said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Business men – they drink my wine
Plowmen dig my earth
None of them along the line
Know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited, "
The thief – he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us
Who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I we've been through that
And this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now
The hour's getting late."

All along the watchtower
Princess kept their view
While all the women came and went
Bare-foot servants too
Outside in the cold distance
A wild cat did growl
Two riders were approaching
And the wind began to howl, hey.
Songwriters: BOB DYLAN

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
22. Brock is such slime. He explains in detail all the lies
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:08 PM
Sep 2015

he told about the Clintons, presumably repents, and continues his same behavior on the other side.

Hillary's judgement has always bothered me. Her instincts. Those things should have told her to keep her distance from that snake.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
26. Total sleaze
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 08:18 PM
Sep 2015

Does not surprise me for a minute. I am sure she will be here any minute to repudiate Brock.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
31. Beyond being just tactically short sighted
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 10:42 AM
Sep 2015

It's going to open the floodgates for journalists to actively hypothesize to their audiences about how and when the baggage connected to the Clintons will be the subjects of negative ads. It will be in the context of wondering how much slack Sanders will give to it, and just how brutally the Republicans will feature it if Secretary Clinton is nominated.

The stupidity is in letting it be framed in the context of the Clinton campaign having drawn First Blood*. That's a really bad context for the framing. Have the campaign workers no memory, or understanding, of how much money the press stands to make if given free reign to rehash all the old stuff, mixed in with the new? They just gave away their credibility for pointing their finger at attack ads directed at them. This is another unforced error from the HRC campaign.

*Rambo: They drew first blood, not me.


People are going to see the Clinton campaign as having wanted to go negative the whole time, but now with their numbers collapsing they feel they can't wait to contrive a plausible reason to go negative like this. In a way, this is part of the problem of campaigns having so much money and resources. They've got that huge hammer in their tool belt so they're itching to use it, regardless of doing so being counter productive.

"Hulk smash" has to be saved for the right moment, if my watching of that Avengers movie has taught me anything.
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