Syrian Army Advances With Help Of Russian Strikes; Putin Reaches Out To Saudis

[Purveyor]

Source: Reuters

Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:21pm EDT

Russian warplanes pounded Syrian rebels unaffiliated with Islamic State on Sunday, insurgents said, helping Moscow's ally Bashar al-Assad reclaim territory and dealing a fresh setback to the strategy of Washington and its allies.

President Vladimir Putin - who has infuriated Assad's enemies in the United States, Europe, Turkey and the Arab world by bombing the rebels to protect him - reached out to one of the Syrian leader's fiercest opponents by meeting the powerful defense minister of Saudi Arabia.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a group that monitors the 4-year-old conflict, said the Syrian military and its Lebanese Hezbollah militia allies had taken control of Tal Skik, a highland area in Idlib province, after fierce Russian bombing.

That brings Syrian government forces closer to insurgent-held positions along the main highway that links Syria's principal cities. The area is held by a rebel alliance that excludes Islamic State fighters.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/11/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN0S506F20151011

[roamer65]

1. The Wahhabi'ists are really pissed off with Putin.

I don't expect much give from the House of Saud with coup rumors flying around.

[uawchild]

5. How can this be?

But the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is quoted as an authoritative source by every major media outlet and half the Latest Breaking News posts that show up here on DU. /sarcasm

Seriously, thank you for the information and the links on this "source".

[newthinking]

10. Start paying attention and one realizes a lot of war reporting works like that.

[Jesus Malverde]

13. If Richard Engel is involved

It's more like acting.

[Jesus Malverde]

16. Some common sense

She's an American through and through.



Hawaii is lucky to have her leadership.

Thanks for posting that.

[NuclearDem]

17. I love how a "your source sucks" post cites GlobalResearch as its evidence.

[Joe Chi Minh]

3. 'Since when did we allow Christians to be slaughter just so we can flip a

country? I'm lost for words.'

Since the 'deep states' of the West became aggressively atheist. But they seem to have over-reached. Aren't pagans more welcome in your military these days? Truly, God is not mocked. And the same will happen to those who try to take down Israel.

[TipTok]

4. Sure he will...

If anyone should be able to appreciate a good gag and is deserving of mockery, it would be the god of the big three religions.

Sincerely,

A proud military 'pagan' atheist...

[truebrit71]

6. Nice right-wing horseshit talking points you got there...

[A HERETIC I AM]

7. "Truly, God is not mocked. "

Well, if that just doesn't sew it all up, I don't know what does!!

Seriously, an otherwise rational, thinking, not unintelligent person saying something like that in the 21st century has lost all credibility, shed along with their credulity.

The firmly held belief that the god of Abraham and Isaac is a living entity able to transcend time and space, breath universes, galaxies, solar systems, stars, planets and life forms into existence with a thought and could or would be offended by the whisp of a somehow hurtful mention by a sentient being on a backwater planet in an insignificant, second rate galaxy in the corner of a third rate cluster.......

IS INTELLECTUALLY PRIMITIVE THINKING.

Grow the fuck up already. Join the rest of us here in the future. Your god is no more real than the gods of the Romans and the Greeks.

[Joe Chi Minh]

8. Time will tell who's talking drivel. And I doubt it will take long. So,

scoff your hearts out. Make hay while the sun shines. He who laughs last...

[A HERETIC I AM]

9. Allow me to repost my response to a similar post a few years ago...

That was hidden, BTW....and I'll take that risk again, for you and your oh, so condescending bullshit.

From this thread back in January of 2012

I've been looking at this thread for two days now, and keep coming back to this post.

The other night I said to myself that I had no real desire to take you on with your utter condescending bullshit, but dammit, it has been on my mind since then and I am going to respond. I don't give a fuck if you don't like what I am about to say and I really don't give a fuck if you alert on it and it gets hidden. You were an asshole to me in your post above and it deserves a response.

In your response to White Wolf above you said, in reference to your reply to me;
"Did I say eternal damnation? No I did not."

You didn't have to say it directly you pompous ass, but you must take me for a total nitwit if you think I can't read between the lines of what you wrote.

So let me break it down for you, since I KNOW you think you have been so very clever indeed.

"To each his own"
This is a typical, bullshit laden, passive aggressive opener which basically says "You are entitled to have your false and wrong positions as far as I am concerned."

And you follow that utter claptrap up with;

"and I say that one day your knees will bow,"
This sort of thing is absolutely no different than the commands of the inquisitors to confess or die. "And I say" - Oh really? You DO, do you? Based on what? Personal experience?

"That one day your knees will bow"
Really? "one day" eh? And what day is that. hmmm? I know...the day I die, right? That is of course what you mean. "You'll know I was right on the day you die cause you will meet my god and you will bow before him and he will pass judgement on your life". THAT is what your statement means. Of course, it is the perfect response because well, if I don't meet him on the day I die I can't come back to you and get my money back, now can I? No one has EVER come back from the dead and said "You know, that entire story is bullshit". Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD, THAT'S WHY.


"like it or not. So you have fun now."
More passive aggressive bullshit. It sounds so innocuous - so sweet and innocent. Here's what it really means;

"If you don't buy this line of bullshit that I am so convinced of and NEED you to believe in too (because if there are ANY doubters it sets up the possibility that it is indeed a bullshit story and we just can't have that, now can we?), you will burn for all eternity, so you had better enjoy yourself now, bub because I know what's coming for you, you damned atheist, you."

"Like it or not"

Go fuck yourself. Hows that?

What's funny is that this post will get alerted on for my little statement above, if nothing else, but yours - the one in which you so cleverly and I might add, gleefully, damned me to the torture of eternal fire because I don't buy the line of ancient, Bronze age bullshit you hold so dear, will stand because....well...you are being a compassionate Christian, aren't you? You are trying to help me, right? Fuck you.

You believe what you believe because of CULTURAL REASONS and nothing else. It isn't historical, it isn't factual and it isn't reality. You believe in the god of Abraham and Isaac and his alleged son because of where you were born and who brought you up. If you were born in another place or indeed another time, your perception of the afterlife and the divine would be TOTALLY different.

I am willing to bet that I know more about the history of your faith, the history of the church that started it, the book of stories and myths it is based on and the basis for those myths than you will ever know.

So don't profess to tell me that "like it or not, my knees will bow" because I would REFUSE to bow down to any god so horrible and lacking in any decent attributes as the one you are so convinced is real. Your god is a baby killing, misogynistic, childish, genocidal maniac according to the book about him and his supposed son is just an upstart, latecomer to a pantheon already overcrowded with much better examples.

The story of Jesus is an allegorical tale for the movement of the sun and the stars through the heavens. THAT'S IT. It is a PLAY. A Passion Play, but a play nonetheless. He was born of a virgin in a cave on or about the winter solstice. His birth was attended by 3 wise men. He "impressed the elders at 12", he began his ministry at 30 and "died and was reborn" at 33 on or about the Spring Equinox. He had 12 followers. All these things are Astrological and Astronomical in nature and origin, NOT historical and they form a motif that is, as I said in another post, shared by literally dozens of other savior god-men that predate him by thousands of years

What is more important? To believe the moral or the story? Is it more important to understand and take to heart the moral that success comes to the prepared or is it more important to believe that 3 little pigs actually built houses and a Wolf blew 2 of the 3 down?


A Jury voted 5-1 to hide this post on Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:29 AM. Reason: This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

And so, for you to tell me that "Time will tell", just REEKS of your Christian superiority, doesn't it? All us nasty heathens will surely get ours in the end, won't we?

I've got a thought, and it differs little from the sentiments above;

Kiss my ass with your bullshit, iron age superstitions.

[Joe Chi Minh]

22. A childish rant no sane person's going to struggle through. Wake up to yourself.

Who gives tuppence for your bloviating?

I'd never have thought it possible to whine for so long. They did you a favour withholding it last time. What have you done in the meantime to upset the staff?

PS: Let me know if you ever have to 'read between the lines' with regard to anything I post, won't you? Or if I fail to patronise you. I think you must be a young, lapsed Catholic to be so exceedingly bitter and angry. You remind me of myself in my youth. One day, God willing, you'll learn that changing the world has to begin with yourself.

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. Just brimming with the false confidence of the saved, aren't you?

So pious, so pontific, so superior, so impudent.

So boring. So incredibly predictable.

"Who gives tuppence for your bloviating?"

Not to mention so hilariously irrelevant! "Tuppence"? Nicely done, Mr. Dickens, nicely done indeed. I feel horribly chastised now, whatever shall I do?

Get on with your bad self, Joe. Down the road of self assured authority, thinking the things you think because other people told you to think them OR ELSE!

Time will tell who's talking drivel. And I doubt it will take long. So,

scoff your hearts out. Make hay while the sun shines. He who laughs last...

What is so amusing about people like you is that you have absolutely no idea in the least just how incredibly insulting you are when you say things like the above. You think you are just giving me some friendly, free advice about eternity that I had better listen to....OR ELSE!

Nope, not a "young, lapsed Catholic". An old, wise, former Episcopalian who is not bitter and angry in the least. It's just that people like you don't care to have their rank, bullshit, couched language pointed out to them.

"Time will tell" alright, and your revenge is best served with box seats, isn't it? So you can peer down into hell to see the suffering of the fools? Right? Isn't that part of the prize? To watch souls burn with a fire that can not be quenched? And you, like every single one of your sick, perverted, sheep-like believing brethren, look forward to those box seats with hand rubbing glee.

How terribly disappointed you'll be to discover it was all bullshit, all along, and you wasted so much of your mental energy putting stock in an ancient, irrelevant, Hebrew desert war-god and his alleged son.

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. I won't know if I'm saved till the end. But then you wouldn't be interested

in a 'fictional' human future, would you? You should watch some of the best NDEs.

But I've just noted... another tiresome screed. Sorry. Not interested. Come back when you've returned to mother church.

[A HERETIC I AM]

26. ...

[Joe Chi Minh]

27. Here is a little something for your perusal. By the eway, I wouldn't be surprised

if you ended up a very committed Christian. That anger and bitterness likely springs from a subliminal awareness of the your loss of the comfort of the Holy Spirit you knew as a child. The old mantra: time will tell.

http://mysticpost.com/2014/01/26/medjugorje-the-great-prophecy-is-unfolding/

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

33. I wouldn't be surprised if I laughed all the way through reading it!

That sure does look like a peer-reviewed scientific document.

[Joe Chi Minh]

35. Ah, I perceive you are one of Einstein's 'naive realists' : a secular 'fundie', who

who believes that, not only is scientific knowledge not the lowest form of knowledge, as in fact it is, but, on the contrary, consider it to be, not just the highest form of knowledge, but the only form of knowledge.

You'll go far .. in the wrong direction. Robert Jastrow of NASA had it right, when he stated:

' “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

― Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

Here's a little remedial reading for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jastrow

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

36. Then Robert Jastrow is a nut too.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

32. I am an atheist and am perfectly willing to take any consequense of that decision.

So please keep your fairly tale myths out of political discussions. Thanks!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

29. Try reading something other than the bible. Maybe some science books?

You holy rollers have fucked us up long enough! The GOP liars use your weakness and fear of death against you, but apparently you will never figure that out.

[NuclearDem]

18. wait what

[Lordquinton]

20. What?

Wat? whut*?

wut?

Vas?

*what?

[Act_of_Reparation]

28. Right on, Joe.

No way in hell would the 'deep states of the West' allow the slaughter of Christians back when they were aggressively religious.

Oh, wait...











Woops. Guess they might have.

[Comrade Grumpy]

12. Wow. This thread got weird. n/t

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. My apologies for being part of that...

But I take issue when my intellect is insulted so blatantly.

[StoneCarver]

31. You ain't kidding

This thread got weird in a heartbeat. Where's all the rage coming from? Live and let live. Make your point and move on. Respectfully disagree people.
Stonecarver

[pampango]

19. "Russian warplanes pounded Syrian rebels unaffiliated with Islamic State ..."

The "Syrian rebels unaffiliated with Islamic State" are the ones fighting with ISIS. I know Russia is more interested in propping up Assad than in defeating ISIS but this is ridiculous.

[flamingdem]

21. I wonder if we're now affiliated with

Hezbollah, and how would we really know anyway?

[Joe Chi Minh]

23. The scoundrels!

[jamzrockz]

30. Yea, unaffiliated with ISIS

But affiliated with Al Nursa and Al Qaeda. Quite frankly, I don't see how Russia can ignore a treat to their base in Latakia and just focus on ISIS who are far away from their base. Any threat to their host is a threat to them and taking out all the smaller terrorist groups fighting the Syrian people is absolutely the best strategy.

Viva Syria, Viva SAA and thank God for Russia's intervention. I only wish they intervened sooner to stop the blood shed caused by foreign mercenaries.

[pampango]

34. Some are "affiliated with Al Nursa and Al Qaeda". Some are not. They are being attacked for

where they are (too close to Russian bases and the roads connecting them to Damascus), not who they are.

I don't see how Russia can ignore a treat to their base in Latakia and just focus on ISIS who are far away from their base. Any threat to their host is a threat to them and taking out all the smaller terrorist groups fighting the Syria ...

We are in agreement that protecting Assad (who in turn protects Russia's bases) is Russia's goal. ISIS is way down the list for them.

"Viva Syria, Viva SAA and thank God for Russia's intervention. I only wish they intervened sooner ..."

At least you didn't go with "Viva the dictator".