Hillary Clinton Turns Up Heat on Bernie Sanders in a Sharp Debate
Source: New York Times
Hillary Rodham Clinton, seeking to halt the momentum of her insurgent challenger, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, aggressively questioned his values, positions and voting history in the first Democratic presidential debate on Tuesday night, turning a showdown that had been expected to scrutinize her character into a forceful critique of his record.
In a series of sometimes biting exchanges, Mrs. Clinton declared that Mr. Sanders was mistaken in his handling of crucial votes on gun control and misguided in his grasp of the essentialness of capitalism to the American identity. Mocking Mr. Sanderss admiration for the health care system of Denmark, she interrupted a moderator to offer a stinging assessment of his logic, suggesting he was unprepared to grapple with the realities of governing a superpower.
We are not Denmark, Mrs. Clinton said, adding, We are the United States of America.
The crowd erupted in applause.
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msongs
(67,453 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)This was his opportunity to make a break-out in the polls, and the numbers shows he was having difficulty in getting on an equal footing with the two leaders
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I thought Bernie's stance on Edward Snowden was the right one.
O'Malley was a bit too harsh. Clinton looked opportunistic.
Bernie was right.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 14, 2015, 11:27 AM - Edit history (1)
That's the problem.
"essentialness of capitalism to the American identity."
Not unregulated capitalism. Does she not see the essentialness of socialism to the American identity? Capitalism didn't help us during the Depression.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)to death to justify all sorts of wrong-headed conduct. Usually it comes from a Republican though.
cprise
(8,445 posts)against the middle class and the poor. At that point, you are supposed to concede your own interests and play their economic shell game.
I've heard it many times.
The good part: Clinton demonstrates American patriotism as a tool for crony capitalism.
cprise
(8,445 posts)or "We only allow capitalism here".
frylock
(34,825 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)talking about the e-mails.
She was feeling the Bern there for a while.
Bernie is not just loved because of his righteous anger about injustice. Not even just for his honesty and authenticity. But also, we love Bernie because he is KIND.
That is a rare virtue in politics.
Bernie is just downright, fundamentally fair and KIND.
And Hillary benefited from his kindness.
I hope she remembers that moment. Bernie really let her off the hook.
But the e-mail issue has been so blown out of proportion that it is annoying. Bernie was right. As usual. He just showed once again what good judgment he has.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)We pay 3 to 12 times more for health care than most other countries and have worse outcomes.
I wonder when Americans are going to tire of the capitalistic agenda that sends most Americans into poverty at some point in their lives. Such as in old age.
Hillary is status quo, a system that works for the few elite. I'm not so sure this is going to give her a win. I think people know the system doesn't work and she showed she doesn't get it.
Midnight Writer
(21,803 posts)So Clinton was "sharp" and "biting"? Why don't they just say "shrewish"? Geez.
I thought the debate was one of the most civil and thoughtful I have ever seen, and I have been around for every televised Presidential debate in our history.
There is nothing "sharp" and "biting" in stating your viewpoint and contrasting it with your opponents. That is kind of the definition of "debate".
Do they call Trump "sharp" and "biting"? No, they call him a "say what he thinks" stand-up guy.
Men are "forceful" and "forthright". Women are "sharp" and "biting"? This drivel should never have been published.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)illustrated the concept of irregular conjugations: I am firm / you are stubborn / he is a pig-headed fool (to be sure, not verb conjugations at all but you get the picture). George Bernard Shaw? maybe.
FreedomRain
(413 posts)says Katharine Whitehorn O.B.E
"I am firm; you are obstinate; he is a pigheaded fool."*
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Never heard of her...I wonder how that happened?
FreedomRain
(413 posts)though with that name. age and nationality, almost certainly a fourth or fifth cousin of mine
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and I'll bet she quoted that, didn't coin it. From Harvard Magazine: http://harvardmagazine.com/2010/05/chapter-and-verse
I am firm. You are stubborn. He is
(March-April). Dick Dodds found this remark attributed, without citation, to British journalist Katharine Elizabeth Whitehorn on Wikipedia, and Richard Friedman found it reprinted in The Best of Sydney J. Harris (1975) as I am a man of firm principles; you tend to be stubborn; he is pigheaded. (Harris was a longtime columnist for the Chicago Daily News.) But Susan Zucker Leff cited S.I. Hayakawas Language in Thought and Action (2d ed.; 1964), which states in chapter 6 that Bertrand Russell, on a British Broadcasting Company radio program called the Brains Trust, gave the following conjugation of an irregular verb: I am firm. You are obstinate. He is a pig-headed fool. The New Statesman and Nation then ran Week-end Competition No. 952, seeking additional examples, and printed the best of the 2,000 results on June 5, 1948, validating recollections by Fran Donohue Hanson, Diane Zelby Witlieb, and Martin Mayer of such a contest. Witlieb forwarded one remembered example (I have reconsidered it. You have changed your mind. He has gone back on his word.), Mayer another (I have about me something of the subtle, haunting, mysterious perfumes of the Orient. You rather overdo it, dear. She stinks.).
George Bernard Shaw. Bertrand Russell. My brain is atrophying.
truthisfreedom
(23,157 posts)Have him forcefully stick up for you. Bernie really showed his colors to Hillary. Shamed her a little.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)United States of America.
The crowd erupted in applause.'
Poor hapless souls.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Clinton supporters think that was one of her finest moments last night.
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)She was so polished. Did you see how Presidential she looked?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)the WaPost and others,these stories about how Clinton won debate or Clinton turned up the heat on Sanders and other catchy phrases,were written before the debate even started with just a few add ins later.
Hillary Clinton also talked about Bernie's free tuition program using the rhetoric about free tuition for Trumps kids,
Well she knew full well that Millionaires don't send their kids to public Colleges and Universities.
As much as the media is in love with Hillary she could have ran on the Republican ticket and would probably be ahead right now.
Her PAC money is from the same deep pockets as is the Republican contributors.
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Were there points of disagreement? Sure. But the conversations remained civil and mostly on-point. I was proud of our candidates last night.
Lytex
(14 posts)Mrs. Clinton plays hardball. Bernie, or any of the other candidates could have gone after Hilary on Glass-Stegall, since President Clinton and the Republicans destroyed that necessary law to prevent speculation by the big banks. The men could have played up her cozy connection to Wall Street. Maybe they will hold her accountable next time.