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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:01 AM Oct 2015

Europe refugee crisis hits sickening low with children forced to engage in ‘survival sex’

Source: News.com Austraila

EUROPE’S refugee and migrant crisis has hit a sickening new low with children forced to prostitute themselves just to survive. The office of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees said it had received “credible testimonies” of sexual violence and abuse against women and children on the move in Europe.

Among hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants pouring into southeastern Europe, children were being forced into sex with people smugglers to pay their way onward, the agency reported.

UNHCR cautioned that it doesn’t have a full grasp of how widespread the problem is, but says women and children travelling alone who are short of cash and sleeping in places like parks and train stations are particularly vulnerable.
Some authorities, it said, have increased the risk for children by placing them in detention along with adults while they wait for official processing of asylum applications.

“From testimony and reports we have received there have been instances of children engaging in survival sex to pay smugglers to continue their journey, either because they have run out money, or because they have been robbed,” UNHCR said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/europe-refugee-crisis-hits-sickening-low-with-children-forced-to-engage-in-survival-sex/story-fnu2q5nu-1227583141890



It's time to stop the bullshit about Syria.

It's time that the US insists on serious peace talks and broker a comprise to stop this utter madness. There simply is NO MILITARY SOLUTION to the carnage of the Syrian war. Make peace. Save the children, damn it.
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Europe refugee crisis hits sickening low with children forced to engage in ‘survival sex’ (Original Post) uawchild Oct 2015 OP
It was our involvement that helped blow this up into what it is now... jtuck004 Oct 2015 #1
How is it that goes? Plucketeer Oct 2015 #2
said by the now infamous UN display of cartoons to make a case for invading iraq. thank you colin. Javaman Oct 2015 #18
Define "what it is now". DetlefK Oct 2015 #3
You continue to misrepresent that poll. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #15
Why do so many men want to fuck children? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #4
A ripple in the evolutionary process? mountain grammy Oct 2015 #6
Kind of a creepy article. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #11
It isn't necessarily the sex Blackjackdavey Oct 2015 #17
And just when I thought your posts couldn't descend any lower. closeupready Oct 2015 #7
What the hell? Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #9
Most people who have sex with children aren't pedophiles. Xithras Oct 2015 #19
+1. nt bemildred Oct 2015 #20
OK, so about Group B. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #21
Well, I did address that... Xithras Oct 2015 #22
Let the UN, the Red Cross and Red Cresent, and all the other humanatarian groups Sunlei Oct 2015 #5
The UN is notorious for allowing and/or engaging in the same sort of behavior oberliner Oct 2015 #10
The refugees need organizers and oversight. Millions more will come from the violent countries. Sunlei Oct 2015 #12
My point was directed more to the abuse of women and children oberliner Oct 2015 #13
Imagine how the world would be without the UN. even if they have a few criminals. Sunlei Oct 2015 #14
It's not a question of 'letting' them; the world needs to donate the money for it muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #16
The problem in Hungary isn't poverty, it's racism. LeftyMom Oct 2015 #24
So awful! Words just fail me. closeupready Oct 2015 #8
So horrible. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #25
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
2. How is it that goes?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

You break it - you own it? Shit - we own the whole middle east! This while W and crew walk free.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
18. said by the now infamous UN display of cartoons to make a case for invading iraq. thank you colin.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015

but the funny thing is, while we broke it and poured trillions into it to fix it, not only was it not repaired, we made it much worse.

the only thing, that would make any of this even marginally better would be the prosecution of all the war criminals involved.

but alas, that will never ever happen.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Define "what it is now".
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:43 AM
Oct 2015

Assad is bombing his own cities to root out the rebels hiding amongst the civilians. In a recent poll among syrian refugees 70% named Assad as the primary cause of violence. But maybe Assad is the victim here because the Great Satan America has forced him into a situation where he has to bomb his own people.

And on top of that clusterfuck, there's the ISIS-clusterfuck which indeed results from the failed occupation of Iraq.




I watched a political talk-show on Sunday. A russian journalist insisted that Assad was rightfully elected and is therefore the legitimate leader of Syria. When he was asked whether Assad ist still the legitimate leader of Syria after bombing the syrian people, he switched topics so he wouldn't have to answer that.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
15. You continue to misrepresent that poll.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:31 PM
Oct 2015

Yes, 70% said the regime was responsible for the violence.

But 74% said the armed rebels were responsible for the violence.

It was a multiple choice poll.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
4. Why do so many men want to fuck children?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

Seriously. Why? Yes, I know women do too, but the VAST MAJORITY of pedophiles are men, so I ask again, Why do so many men want to fuck children? What is the attraction?

mountain grammy

(26,626 posts)
6. A ripple in the evolutionary process?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:12 AM
Oct 2015

Your response reminded me of this article from the guardian a couple of years ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light

seems the more we know, the less we know about this dark side of human behavior.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
11. Kind of a creepy article.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

It was almost like it was saying, "Pedophilia, it's not necessarily a bad thing." IDK, it read like that anyway. I couldn't get past the first few paragraphs (triggers) before I had to stop reading.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
17. It isn't necessarily the sex
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

I work in the field and am passionate around spreading the same word that I believe this article sort of skirts around without clarifying. It isn't necessarily the perpetrator/victim contact that does lasting damage. Often times, children don't even know they've been victimized. It is often, and this applies to non violent / non aggressive situations only, the response by well meaning caregivers that do the most damage. It is not uncommon for daughters to be ostracized by dads because they are "no longer pure" or "did something to ask for it." It is also very common for family members to not believe disclosures or for moms to choose offending boyfriends over kids who "must be lying." In my experience, these scenarios do significant damage. If handled well, these situations can be resolved in ways that don't necessarily have long term negative consequences.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
9. What the hell?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:29 AM
Oct 2015

It's a simple, straightforward question. What's your problem? And if you hate my posts so much there's an Ignore feature. Feel free to use it.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
19. Most people who have sex with children aren't pedophiles.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:59 PM
Oct 2015

I had a psych teacher explain it this way once:

There are basically two major groups of people who fuck children.

Group A is the true pedophile. These are people who are wired to actually be attracted to children. Their brains look at prepubescent children the same way a 16 year old looks at another 16 year old. There is a physical attraction that has to be actively fought. Pedophilia is a mental disorder, and is incurable.

Group B is the rest of humanity, which has proven over and over again that it will fuck anything. With a few searches on the Internet, you can find photos of people fucking animals, tree stumps, auto tailpipes, dolls, rocks, bicycles, soda bottles, vegetables, model airplanes, ATM machines, Pop Tart boxes, pool floats, Hot Pockets, hornets nests, park benches, picnic tables, street signs and lamp posts (I'm not making any of those up by the way...I did the search and ALL of those things came up). Human beings will fuck just about anything to get their rocks off. Sometimes, that "anything" includes small children. The people who do this aren't necessarily any more attracted to children than the guy in Sweden was to his Range Rover, but when the opportunity arises to fuck something new and novel, there's a large percentage of people who will do it simply for the sexual gratification it brings. To qualify for this group, one merely needs to lack empathy for the child...and there are a lot of cold-hearted borderline sociopaths in the world.

Sadly, Group B victimizes far more children than Group A does.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
21. OK, so about Group B.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

Does nothing in their head say, "Stop! Fucking children is wrong, don't do it." I mean, I'm married, and in married life you find others in which there is a mutual attraction. It's going to happen. But there is a choice. You can choose to act on it or you can choose not to. Even at my most libidinous (pre-menopause) and single, there were definite limits. Do they not have the ability to say to themselves, "Stop!"

That aside, your post was enlightening, even if the reality of it was stomach-churning.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
22. Well, I did address that...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:34 PM
Oct 2015
Does nothing in their head say, "Stop! Fucking children is wrong, don't do it."


I point you to...

and there are a lot of cold-hearted borderline sociopaths in the world.


The guy who molested me when I was a kid wasn't a child hunting predator. He was just a wife beating coked up asshole who genuinely didn't care whether he hurt other people. I simply had the misfortune of being available and incapable of escaping when he decided to get his rocks off one day. Empathy and kindness are not universal human traits.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
5. Let the UN, the Red Cross and Red Cresent, and all the other humanatarian groups
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:52 AM
Oct 2015

close to the refugees to assist with them.

Poor Countries like Hungry don't have the volunteers or the money to help refugees, they need to let others help. Not just dump them alone at train stations or piled up at the border fences.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. The UN is notorious for allowing and/or engaging in the same sort of behavior
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
Oct 2015

It's really despicable that this is such a common horror for vulnerable populations.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. The refugees need organizers and oversight. Millions more will come from the violent countries.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:10 PM
Oct 2015

This will not be over anytime soon.

For example, Places like 'Assads Syria' do NOT want their 12 million people back. They will not help pay for the refugee crisis either or volunteer. Russia will not take any either.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. My point was directed more to the abuse of women and children
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:12 PM
Oct 2015

I am not sure that the UN has the best record where that is concerned.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
16. It's not a question of 'letting' them; the world needs to donate the money for it
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

The UN and other refugee organisation have not had enough donations to keep refugee camps in the countries neighbouring Syria running properly; that's why desperate people are fleeing them and ending up in such an awful situation in Europe.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/05/lack-of-funds-world-food-programme-drops-aid-to-one-third-of-syrian-refugees

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
24. The problem in Hungary isn't poverty, it's racism.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:18 AM
Oct 2015

Jobbik is an explicitly fascist and racist political party along the lines of Golden Dawn in Greece which holds a great deal of sway in Hungarian politics. Hungary's migrant expenses are largely self-inflicted, the migrants just wanted to pass through on the way to Germany, Sweden and other countries where they actually wanted to live, and their in-country needs were being met primarily by volunteer doctors, clothing donations from the population, etc.

The migrants DO NOT WANT "help" from the Hungarian government, because the Hungarian government wishes to register them (ruining their chances of migration to Germany) and then imprison or expel them. Violently, in many cases. Most of the migrants have routed themselves around Hungary on longer and more physically dangerous routes just to avoid this possibility.

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