Parents outraged over video of confrontation between high school student and school resource officer
Source: http://myfox8.com/
RICHLAND COUNTY, S.C. — A video of a confrontation between a South Carolina high school student and the school resource officer has sparked outrage with some parents.
The video was taken at Spring Valley High School, located northeast of Columbia.
School officials confirmed to WIS-TV the incident happened on Monday but did not provide additional details.
In the video, a struggle ensues and the student falls on the floor before being dragged away and out of view of the camera. WIS-TV reports that the student is female.
Parents of students at the high school are reacting to the video. A group called the “Richland Two Black Parents Association” called the video “unacceptable.”
“Parents are heartbroken as this is just another example of the intolerance that continues to be of issue in Richland School District Two particularly with families and children of color,” the group said in a statement, according to WIS-TV. “As we have stated in the past, we stand ready to work in collaboration to address these horrible acts of violence and inequities among our children.”
Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott told WLTX that the student had been disruptive and refused to leave the class after the teacher asked her to. An administrator was called to the room and made the same request and the student refused again, Lott said.
When the school resource officer came to the classroom, the officer forcibly removed the student and she resisted arrest, Lott told WLTX.
Richland School District Two Superintendent Dr. Libby Roof told WLTX that the district was “deeply concerned” about the incident and will not tolerate any actions that jeopardize the safety of students.
Read more: http://myfox8.com/2015/10/26/parents-outraged-over-video-of-confrontation-between-high-school-student-and-school-resource-officer/
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randys1
(16,286 posts)Sue him so he has to work 3 jobs till he dies.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)It is apparent that he didn't have the maturity to handle a repulsive teenager and lost his temper. Some of these innocent victims are not very innocent and are real problems that teachers have to put up with on a daily basis. This doesn't excuse his excessive use of force, but I have real sympathy for teachers that have to contend with nearly impossible situations.
It is no damn wonder that many leave the profession when the come to the realization that it is a hopeless cause and their youthful enthusiasm has been drowned by the reality of the situation. I am not saying this because of my personal experience but in talking to several teachers when I volunteered at our local school. It is unfortunate that this is primarily a problem in schools that have a significant number of students from single parent, poor minority families who have not been privileged to be raised in stable loving homes. The cycle of poverty is a devastating problem that we don't seem to have any adequate solution for resolving.
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maindawg
(1,151 posts)I worked for the county as a sub for 5 years. I know the law,they teach you the law. These days, you are not allowed to even defend yourself from a student who assaults you or you are guilty of assault. They taught us how to react to being kicked,punched ,choked etc.You are supposed to turn away,run away raise your hands and turn if you are being choked.
You may never put your adult hands on a student child period,ever, for any reason. That police man has been trained and he knows the procedure. He is guilty, he will now be charged and sentenced and sued by the parents.The School can also be sued.
One of the reasons I no longer wish to work for the County, that and the way they lie to the students as policy.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)This is a real problem and has gotten steadily worse. This cop lost control and I'm not defending him at all. However, most students are not mature enough to realize that a teacher or cop MIGHT lose control and the situation could have turned out much worse for both the student and the cop. She felt secure believing that he wouldn't touch her or, if he did he'd be in big trouble.
I've taught, and later subbed (now retired) for most of forty years, both in "tough" schools and "good" schools. The major difference (overall) is the attitude in the home and the way the kids are being raised. Unfortunately many parents may really be trying to raise their kids right, but are working way too hard and too many hours to have much influence. Some parents, of course, have no respect for teachers and are influenced by the public and media disrespect for the profession. Neither teachers nor cops should be allowed to manhandle kids, but we need to find other solutions for truly maintaining order in the classroom. Perhaps stricter suspension or expulsion rules ...or a bit of "tweaking" on what the records of minors can show or...I only wish I knew.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Administrators such as the principle also need to posses the ability to communicate with the students. Its not easy. Their initial response is usually standoffish. They don't automatically trust. I have seen highly trained psychologist try to communicate with the students who would rather mis behave. They are effective for only a short time and the students go right back to misbehaving. I have seen talented teachers and admin who are able to subdue a student with a few words. The reason is because they listen and they understand the students unique problems. They all have issues.
I know that being a teenager is about the toughest time in a persons life. They have so many issues that they are dealing with, and often no idea about how to deal with them. Its difficult to learn their problems ,they are frightened and embarrassed and wont talk.You have to have a 6th sense and figure it out.That is the challenge of working with teens. They are like dogs,they cant tell you what is wrong because they just don't know.
Now that girl has issues. And the teachers in her school don't know what to do about her or with her.I am sure they have tried to help her. Some teachers apply pressure some just give them more latitude some just learn to tolerate but they all have many students so that one they cant always help.
uawchild
(2,208 posts)
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)smh just a bit overkill. 1. he's blocking her 2. blacks are scared of cops 3. if your being blocked in that desk and I've been in them it's very hard to get out of. about 900 things coulda gone wrong as he tossed her like a ragdoll. Broken back , neck bones , dead etc growing teen bodies are not designed that way. I can't imagine my mother saw the same video. She's like oh she wasn't body slammed. well yeah not Wrestler type but close enough. Now I've been body slammed (bully) on a kitchen table in high school by a football player once. So good the table was always bent in the middle from then on. Body slamming woulda been less painful actually. Nevermind compared to a Bully , cops are always there.
niyad
(113,348 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)niyad
(113,348 posts)and horrific situation. your comment remains ugly and unwarranted. oh, and by the way, the young woman has schizoaffective disorder, so you might want to rethink your ugly comment, unless you actually feel that way about those with mental illnesses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027303390
looking forward to your apology to this young woman.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I witnessed a male student call a female teacher every filth name in the book. I was there when an other female teacher was punched in the face when she told a student to sit down and be quiet. Yes, whether your bleeding heart for abuse students is most evident, I would only ask that people realize that many teachers are having a difficult time as evidenced by the massive turnover.
niyad
(113,348 posts)are embarrassing yourself.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)niyad
(113,348 posts)you addressed your ugly, hateful comment about calling the girl "repulsive", particularly in light of learning that she has schizoaffective disorder. but, as I said, keep trying.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)If you are an 'ole gramps', you should be thinking about your conscience when you meet your maker.
I remember reading a book during a Latin lesson, but the idea of a rozzer storming through the door and violently attacking me would have been utterly surreal. Unfortunately, the nicest teachers were the ones we played up the most - and I mean pro-actively playing up.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)Are we now allowing the lunatics to run the asylum? The children now decide what is acceptable behavior in the class room?
There are rules in the school and they must be followed by all the students. She didn't. She also refused to cooperate with a person with authority.
She was told to get out of the damn chair. It's her choice how she gets out.
The officer was supposed to just stand there and do nothing? He was sent there to remove the student from the classroom. She made it get physical.
He didn't lose control of the situation, he took control.
Now the officer has lost his job. This is such bullshit.
Corporal punishment was allowed when I went to school. If you knew that you could get smacked for misbehavior you tended to be well behaved. And we didn't need a school police force.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)"allowing the lunatics to run the asylum". So a teenage orphan rebelling against authority is now a "lunatic"? See, you will likely say the RO didn't know that her mother recently died and she was an orphan. The school would have known. That, among other background information, would have been helpful and relevant information if it was the RO's intent to defuse the situation without violence. How long is a class? 45-55 minutes? How much longer could it have been to the end of class? Why not have a counselor and the RO, standing in background, intercept her once she is in the hallway? Not on the students terms but on the administration's terms. By going into the classroom, in front of everyone, you came to her on her terms. The violent acting out of the RO was a direct result of his inability to understand or control the situation. He resorted to the only other tool in his toolbox, violence.
The problem with the average RO is that is the only way they see anyone that is not one of them, as a criminal. As someone that needs to be controlled. The point is that she is a child not a suspect, not a criminal and she sure as hell isn't a fucking "lunatic".
Callmecrazy
(3,065 posts)Somebody would fixate on the euphemism and the word lunatics.
It's an expression, for God's sake. Do the children run the schools or do the teachers?
And the officer didn't use violence, he used the amount of force necessary to remove her. It was a direct result of her not cooperating with instructions. The children don't run the school, the adults do.
And her being an orphan is irrelevant. She has to follow the rules like everybody else.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)And intent.
Second, I would humbly request you re-read my post. Especially the part in which I suggested "Why not have a counselor and the RO, standing in background, intercept her once she is in the hallway? Not on the students terms but on the administration's terms. By going into the classroom, in front of everyone, you came to her on her terms. The violent acting out of the RO was a direct result of his inability to understand or control the situation. He resorted to the only other tool in his toolbox, violence."
Have you actually watched the video? "And the officer didn't use violence, he used the amount of force necessary to remove her." I find it hard to believe you have given that comment. He grabbed her around the neck and picked her and the desk up off the ground and threw her to the ground.
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)TRIGGER WARNING: The above video contains graphic violence.
Multiple videos show school Police Officer Ben Fields brutally attacking a peaceful Black female high school student. Officer Fields has a history of attacking students, who say they’ve complained about him for years. He’s facing a lawsuit from another student, and he was sued by a couple who he attacked and arrested without provocation. This time, his violence was caught on camera.
The number of police in schools has skyrocketed, and every year thousands of students – disproportionately Black – are needlessly arrested and abused. Local police say they’re “investigating” Officer Fields' brutality. But videos of what happened provide more than enough evidence he committed a crime.
Join us in demanding that officer Fields be fired and prosecuted immediately, and that all charges be dropped against students already victimized by Fields.
This is the letter we'll send to Richland County officials on your behalf. Feel free to add a personal comment in the space provided.
Dear Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott, Richland School District Two Superintendent Dr. Debbie Hamm and Richland County Solicitor Dan Johnson,
We are writing to demand that officer Ben Fields be immediately fired and prosecuted for brutally and maliciously attacking a Black female high school student who posed no threat. Videos of the attack provide more than enough evidence that Fields committed a crime, and that he is unfit to be a police officer or to work with students in any capacity. Additionally, officer Fields has a history of attacking and intimidating students and other citizens, and he is currently facing a lawsuit from a student who says he unfairly targets Black students with allegations of gang activity.
Students should not have to live in fear of being attacked by those who are supposed to protect them. Fields should be immediately fired from his position as a police officer as well as his position as a football coach, and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Additionally, any charges facing students targeted and victimized by officer Fields in this incident should be dropped.
Sincerely,
[YOUR NAME]
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)I imagine it would be hard to pull her out of the desk she's sitting in, but this is way over the line.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And as big as he was...as small as she was, why didn't he just grab the desk and drag her outside with the desk?
This is just unimaginable to me. Nothing like this would ever have happened when I was in high school...of course my high school (small rural school in Oregon) was all white kids, but still...in those days cops didn't act like this.
ariesgem
(1,634 posts)He tossed that girl like a rag doll... Fucking coward.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)in Of Mice and Men - only they are as deeply malevolent as poor Lenny was well-meaning.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Pig!!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That's why this is so damn scary. The cop is 3x her size and probably at least 5x stronger.
demwing
(16,916 posts)How is that relevant?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)but I hoped that the OP would repond
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)That was an 8 year-old.
But it's a new world. You have autistic kids at school mainstreamed when they cannot handle it. You have kids with behavior problems. You have acutely dangerous situations for other children.
There was excessive force used in that arrest, it appears, and the other students weren't in jeopardy.
But here's one where they had to arrest three 8 year-old boys because they assaulted (pinned down and tried to strip) an 8 year-old girl on the school playground:
http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/regional_news/omaha/three--year-old-boys-arrested-in-school-playground-assault/article_4064c9de-adb7-11e2-85b6-0019bb2963f4.html
And here's a second grade white kid with clear behavior problems who was pepper sprayed after he attempted to, er, dominate the classroom because he was in a bad mood:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/aidan-elliot-pepper-sprayed-colorado-elementary-classroom-police/story?id=13307371
Colorado police and school officials are defending a decision to pepper spray a second grade boy who threatened to kill his teachers.
...
"I kind of blow up a little," Aidan said. "I said I'm going to kill you once you get out of that room."
Aidan is in a class for kids with behavior problems. He became enraged, spitting and throwing chairs and even threatening teachers and students with a sharp piece of wood he held like a knife.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)still doesn't change the FACT of a young female person of color being violently slammed to the floor in her desk, and then dragged away. Your 'incidents' are non incidents compared to the treatment of this young female of color. But maybe her treatment just doesn't register as violently abusive to you. That's all I can figure from your 'examples'. Done with you. Just not going to accept these BS answers anymore, from anyone, without strong retort. Jury me, ban me, I really give less than a damn.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)You don't think the "resource officers" would be needed in an all white school do you? Even today. I really doubt it. The need for authoritarian disciplinarians like that is to suppress the element that they fear...the kids who have been rejected by society, and are acting out.
Prison does not make people better citizens. It actually serves the opposite purpose of excommunicating them from society...isolating them from community, and it often makes them seek out another source of community. Some find religion, some join gangs or groups like skinheads, or associate with other criminals, even after they get out...especially after they get out and find out they are still excommunicated by society. Why would you want to get along with a society that has rejected you?
Schools can be the same way. Not that it's all the school's fault. It's society's fault, because we are still a racist society and we still try to "punish" people of color for not being as acceptable as white kids, just like we punish prisoners who have served their sentence, for not being as acceptable as the rest of us. Not all schools, obviously, and not all teachers, but there is still too much of this going on, as is evidenced by this video.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Actually, I don't think "resource officers" should be used in ANY school.
Thanks for your response, I appreciate the clarification.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)but do we want our school kids treated like inmates? This was vile thuggishness.
Joe Chi Minh
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maddiemom
(5,106 posts)At the time Passive went to school many schools were all white and there was a very different attitude from the kids, whatever their race. Even inner city schools were more racially diverse. Racial tensions tragically exist in our society, as do the effects of today's economy. Recognizing their existence is not being racist. Of course "that is relevant." There were no black students and only one Asian in my high school fifty years ago. Most of the black kids in the area went to a neighboring school and were still a minority back then.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I didn't want to accuse, I just wanted clarification
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)You probably didn't have juiced up racist pigs looking for a reason to punish black and brown people, am I right?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And as mentioned by someone earlier in the thread, I do think he had a little roid rage going on.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 29, 2015, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)
they weren't steroidally juiced, just racistly evil, looking to punish, maim and kill the POC for no other reason than they were AA. Something akin to the juiced freaks calling themselves police officers today and they are not all 'juiced', just racistly hateful pigs in uniform trying to keep the person of color "in their place". Those that can kill a 12 year old in 2/10 of a second after arriving on the scene because some good citizen saw some black kid with a toy gun.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)from Newsweek:
However, her attorney Todd Rutherford told WLTX that she suffered neck and back injuries from the incident. "He weighs about 300 pounds. She is a student who is 16 years old. Who now has a cast on her arm, a band aid on her neck, and neck and back problems. There’s something wrong here," Rutherford said.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)The parents should be outraged at their daughter for selfishly disrupting the class, then refusing to leave the classroom when told, then fighting with school authorities when they tried to remove her. Sorry, I have no sympathy for her at all.
Look what she did to the rest of the class with her attitude- she ruined the day's lesson and upset the rest of the class with her crap. She had several opportunities to put a lid on it, but she just escalated, instead. Stupid, and stupid comes in all colors. I don't care what color a person is, a brat is a brat...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)I went to public school myself.
I saw students act up. They were told to leave the class. At most the principal would show up and the student would have to leave or be embarrassed.
A police officer would show up and stand there until the student got up and complied.
This is nonsense.
47of74
(18,470 posts)If a student refused to leave a classroom after being asked to by a teacher they took the rest of the class and went to an empty room to continue the lessons and the school officials would just wait the student out. (This was before resource officers).
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)+1
The girl obviously needed personal attention.
snort
(2,334 posts)Had a teacher take us out to sit on the lawn since it was nice weather. Left the disruptive student sitting there feeling like an idiot. It was a win win.
robbob
(3,531 posts)and continuing the disruption?
47of74
(18,470 posts)Is it perfect? No. But it's a hell of a lot better than what that officer did.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Of course the disruptive student might have "tagged along" just to be ornery.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)student pushing back
seconds and just went straight for a smack down
DebJ
(7,699 posts)as a creative hero, and then her behaviors would be imitated. There is no responsibility or consequences for the students here for much of anything. Defying authority is a game, a source of great pride, and never an embarrassment to the students. It's a sport, and they are winning, because the parents and administration let them.
This year, the school had to offer a 50% pay increase to get substitutes into the school, because the most common sport is to see by which period the substitute will toss his or her career and simply walk out of the building and never return. The students win that game more often than not.
Even with the 50% increase, there were over 40 sub positions that weren't filled this morning.
It won't be long before a teacher is actually seriously physically assaulted at this rate. It's just insane.
It's so very sad, so many lives going utterly to waste.
And there isn't anything the teachers can do about it. But, it is all their fault, and the student and administration are to do nothing about it.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)Even if all you say happened is true, do you really think this was the most appropriate action for the school to take?
Frankly, the security officer endangered the other children AND set a terrible example about dealing with conflict.
A better approach might have been to remove the other children from the room until the situation could be safely dealt with. That would have likely resulted in the child complying- it is much easier to back down when there is no audience. Physical force should be an absolute last resort, and should only be used when a child is endangering someone else.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It would have deescalated the situation instead of escalating it like the cop did.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Your approach is definitely the logical one, but there is a strong compulsion to dominate and 'teach a lesson' through force.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)America will become a police state with cheerleaders like you.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)are real cops with real police powers. Yes, the country is becoming a police state. You'd think we'd make kids understand that before they turn a minor incident into a legal confrontation that may get them hurt or worse.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)They will always make the right choice if just informed.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)out of or kill your kids, you might wish you had told them how dangerous encounters with the police can be. You might even get serious about putting a leash on these public servants.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)My point was, you can warn and inform kids all you like, but some kids are still going to act like juveniles, because that's what they are. They don't always make good decisions. They are kids and should be treated like kids, no matter how pissed off some big over-muscled cop gets at them.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)to passiveagressiveporcupine, you may get your own point. I always thought this smiley was particularly smug and condescending. Don't you? Whoosh! I do hope that didn't go over your head. 
If the big muscled cop gets pissed off he may hurt the kid. Then the kid is hurt, regardless of how the kid should be treated or what kind of decision the immature kid made. There, just two sentences and no big words. I do hope that clears things up.
Igel
(35,320 posts)All I saw was a few seconds out of a much longer encounter. What was said before the cameras started rolling? What was edited out? What had been done?
Was this repeated? Part of a pattern?
At what point does that one student's rights squash the rights of other students, the teacher, the administrator, or their responsibility to do their jobs?
Because otherwise we're forced to conclude that one student can disrupt the class indefinitely and hold everybody else hostage until voluntary compliance is what you get. And that can be done in every class room. Day after day. For the entire year. With nothing that can be done because children are our masters and our overlords.
The problem isn't that I don't know. The problem is also that you don't know, and those posted the video, if they do know, aren't well invested in maximizing information but in maximizing outrage.
In this, they've found a willing, if self-selected, audience.
Outrage first, then work on understanding. It's the modern way of doing things.
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)That's not rhetorical, I would really like to know.
Yes she disrupted the class for that day and there was probably no fixing that. But what else could be done? How about move the other children to a different room for that day and then deal with her. She's not going to sit there forever. When the immediate situation is over, they could send her to a psychologist to figure out what her problem is, or suspend her, or expel her if it's part of a pattern, perhaps reassign her to a school for difficult children. Really just about anything other than violently assault her would be good.
nadine_mn
(3,702 posts)Therein lies the problem for me - cops, resource officers, etc need to learn de-escalation techniques so that incidents like this do not happen.
In one way this is like the Sandra Bland case - that cop had every opportunity to de-escalate the situation, and instead ramped it up. Many people argued that she should have just complied. Maybe so (I don't think so), but he lost control of the situation.
When kids witness authority figures losing control like this, distrust begins early. The lesson they learn is that cops, law enforcement etc are violent and they should run away - and that never ends up good.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)to a cop chokeslamming a young girl who's guilty thus far of 'disruption' you need a check up. That shit's barely justified with a drunk 6'4 biker, let alone a young girl sitting in a school desk. If you think that they deserve the same, I dread for your companions and family.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)I certainly hope that's not how they are being trained!!!
That is not the way to restore a learning environment.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)For all I know this student should have been detained. I am not in favor of letting students disrupt other students' educations.
But it appears that it was unnecessarily violent and dangerously so.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)Not much difference. Hardly disruptive. Unless texting is communicated by a ringing tone, and the desired respondent was in the class. But still hardly a crime. A certain amount of disruption goes with the territory of being a teacher.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)The "officer" was trying to get her to go at one point after she had refused the administrator:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-girl-thrown-police-south-carolina-20151027-story.html
Apparently SC has a misdemeanor "disturbing schools" statute, and that's what she was arrested for, but it's a minor charge. She did refuse the commands of the teacher, the administrator, and then the resource officer, according to eyewitnesses. So she was disruptive.
The officer has been suspended and I would expect he will be booted. Update: He was fired:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/10/28/Sheriff-Spring-Valley-High-officer-fired-for-throwing-student/3501446023094/
All the schools have restrictive policies on use of your cell phones in class, for obvious reasons. If the teacher did not enforce that policy, half the students would be on their cell phones. It's natural enough. Teens talk to other teens.
What "Officer Slam" did wasn't normal, natural, or the way these things are supposed to be handled, and what I find incredibly surprising is that he was a coach at the school and should have special training to handle such situations. That's the whole point about having special police officers for such assignments.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)No one is arguing the student did nothing wrong, but that's kind of beside the point.
840high
(17,196 posts)disrupt a class and not leave when asked.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)amazing the "blame the victim" mentality around here
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)
Iris
(15,659 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)reverse the situation when the cop came into the classroom. She was probably on her cell phone to her mother by then. Offering her a box to put the cell phone in and saying we will keep it in the office safe and sound and you will receive detention consequences, would have deescalated the situation. Most schools ban cell phones being out in the classroom unless for curriculum purpose. And the phone can be collected by the teacher or by the parent later, with the school holding on to them until school ends in May/June. Parents can then pick them up.
Having another cell phone on campus would be an automatic Saturday School. Every request made, to hand over the phone, that is denied is a double Saturday School. I have never heard of triple Saturday School Detention being ever needed. Then there is 7:00 AM Office Detention for 1 week; parents have to get the student there that early or the consequences default in to 5 Saturday School to replace the 5 school days for 1 week. Student have a choice to follow the rules or pay the consequences but not be assaulted over their behavior.
All of this is in the Secondary Student Handbook, that contains a student and parent sign page that is collected. No need for an aggressive and assault type take-down.
Number23
(24,544 posts)13. I agree. Why should she disrupt a class and not leave when asked.
Shocked.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)... or that has to be the most unbelievable instance of badge-licking I have ever seen on DU....
Holy fuck....
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)and the way he tossed her around, he could have broken her neck. Does a brat deserve to die from a broken neck? A kid that is a brat?
You are unreal.
trumad
(41,692 posts)You love that shit huh?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)How about if it caved in the back of her skull?
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Congratulations.
Today it's you.
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)Is bratty behavior a valid reason to maim or kill because that's what it sounds like you are saying. What did the students watching this "adult discipline" method learn? Certainly not to calmly stay on top of the situation. That cop was very obviously out of control. Seriously, re-consider your response.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)She wasn't fighting, she was being petulant and being a teenager.
He literally picked her and the desk up and tossed her and the desk across the room, he could have very seriously injured her.
He's an asshole cop who has no business being a cop, he should be fired and prosecuted for assault and battery.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I have worked in the poorest of poor school districts with some badly behaved teenage students. These students are in the school-to-jail pipeline. They need intervention way before they get to high school, and lots of it. Counselors, social workers, psychiatrists, expert teachers, good food, good doctors, heat in their homes, jobs for their parents who also need counseling, education, addiction services ...
I have worked with disruptive girls. They need lots of services but unfortunately, it's a piecemeal system in poor school districts. Wealthy kids with problems can get help. Low income kids, not so much.
crim son
(27,464 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)You can take the rest of the afternoon off for personal reflection, m'kay?
polly7
(20,582 posts)'it takes violence to manage disobedience.'
If you're so concerned about the other children in the class ....... what exactly is this boorish savagery teaching them??
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)And she deserved to be escorted out of class.
She did NOT deserve to be physically injured in the process. This action shows a complete indifference to her physical well-being.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I think you should reconsider....really.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)Just because he enforces the law doesnt mean he is above the law.
That girl is a minor abusing and physically attacking our children when they dont comply is never defensible.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Goodbye.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)brush
(53,791 posts)Those who have teaching experience have advocated moving the rest of the students to another room to deprive the disruptive student of their audience, which soon results in the petulant teen yielding and becoming cooperative.
The kind of violence in the video is traumatic to not just to the bratty teen but to the rest of the class that watched it — not to mention that the brat was subject to serious bodily injury. A stupid move all around by that grown male manhandling a girl student.
What drives someone to think this is acceptable? I'm betting that those who do have no teaching experience at all and have no training in handling a classroom disruption — not to mention a decided lack of empathy.
It's a teenager. They often act out until they mature. They still don't deserve to be manhandled like an animal and violently dragged across the floor.
Get a grip, please. Do you know what you're saying about yourself with this post?
And as far as disrupting the class, so what. Any teacher worth his/her salt can easily make up a half hour of interrupted instruction over the course of a semester.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)No sense of proportion.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I must say your commet is pathetic and I hope you don't have any children. If you do, seek help professionally.
Iris
(15,659 posts)death penalty is not a fit punishment for shoplifting.
If the teacher had just ignored her the lesson would not have been ruined but it certainly was after the class watched their classmate brutalized like that.
Crowsgrace
(2 posts)When my child goes to school, which is dictated by law, the school assumes a responsibility to provide a safe environment for them. If a parent threw and dragged a bratty child thru a grocery store, they would be arrested for abuse and lose custody. Why would the school be held to another standard? Unruly children need discipline, not assault.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)authoritarian boot-licking.
The fascist pig had NO goddamn right to assault her like that.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)she did.
This reply of yours in no way surprises me. Will you have courage enough to say anything about her being an orphan, that maybe she's not a "brat" but a grieving girl? I doubt it.
ariesgem
(1,634 posts)As far as this "attitude" and "brat" label you put on this young girl, I can imagine she is grieving and confused as would ANY teenager would be at a time of loss.
The officer was 3 times her size. There is no fucking justification for his behavior, or supporting this pig.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Just some tool taking a teacher's job on the payroll.
"You! Justify your job!"
hack89
(39,171 posts)many towns have police in the schools.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Just the kind of guy to cost the school district millions when he kills someone.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)we went to school (my school had a principal and two vice-principals). Probably those who have kids are more aware of their existence these days.
demwing
(16,916 posts)which makes me wonder if there are a lot of unpaid goons waiting around downtown, trying to pickup odd jobs?
theaocp
(4,241 posts)To deal with the situation, the class was emptied EXCEPT the student in question. An adult stayed with him until his parent could be reached and come to the school. It's hard to tell from this angle, but flipping that desk over with her in it could have seriously hurt her back/neck. I hope she's okay, but has to go before the school board. When an adult asks you to leave, you do so. Plain and simple.
duhneece
(4,113 posts)once that desk flipped over and the possibility of permanent damage, paralysis became apparent, it was inhumane to drag this child the way the child was dragged. His response was disproportionate to the student.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I've had a student disrupt and refuse to leave in the past, and you empty the classroom of the disruptive student's audience and the situation is suddenly manageable.
A "resource officer" is a bizarre thing.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Teachers plan their daily presentations and materials. Classes last typically an hour or less. SO.... after wasting valuable classtime - trying to reason and waiting for the prinicipal and/or the resource officer to deal with them, THEN you make the decision to empty the classrrom and let the troublemaker WIN by totally disrupting and wasting the other students class. And too - what if there aren't available empty classrooms to set up class in? What if the teacher was planning on using video to present the materials that day?
Heh - by the time ALL that folderal plays itself out, the bell for the next class has already rung and the kids press on having a lost a day to some spoiled brat.
And just to take it to the max - what if the kid still refuses to budge. Hey - my wife "endured" the classroom for THIRTY-THREE years. Every semester there were one or two ass holes who literally LIVED to piss off the teacher. The higher ups live in FEAR of lawsuits from parents - so unless some kid does such a bad thing that it's a slam-dunk to have them expelled, they'll maybe get three days off and then they're back in the same classes doing the same disruptive shit.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)When we had a kid like this, they were put in ISS - In School Suspension - for the rest of semester.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)if they are that bad. But, this physical beating is disturbing.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)and the students know that, and have a field day. That's what we see here.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Hmm...I didn't think of it that way.
Then by all means, body slam the children to the floor.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)someone should be able to come up with a better solution, other than "this isn't right", you know?
The answer is not 'doing nothing at all'. Clearly, the answer isn't speaking to this student.
And in our local school district, that girl would be cheered on. IF she were ultimately removed from the classroom for any period of time in this district, then another student would simply do the same thing in her place, and another, and another. Complete and utter bedlam. This, of course, is solely the fault and responsibility of the teacher. Did you know that if student's act out in any manner, this is because the teacher failed to be entertaining enough? Or lacked 'leadership'? And that this is the case even when this goes on in classrooms of teachers who just two years ago were lauded as outstanding (for ten years), and used in videos made to train other teachers? Now, this teacher's classrooms are the same, because there is NO control, and THAT is all the teacher's fault.
The students are not held to be responsible for anything whatsoever. The only true violation they can commit is to bring a weapon into the building, or drugs. Everything else, is always the teacher's fault.
Having all of the other children leave the classroom is ridiculous. That could work in a school with a good, generally well-controlled environment. In our local system, the students quite loudly speak about and cheer how THEY are in control...and, they are. If a student pulls out a cellphone and texts in class, that's the teacher's fault. If a student picks up a 4 inch thick science text book and lobs it at a teacher's head, and makes his target, also, that is the teacher's fault. If a child has severe cognitive and emotional disabilities, and has had those for all 7 years of school (and always will), and so is at 1rst and 2nd grade levels of reading and math, if that student does not pass the state tests for 7th grade with proficiency by April, it is the teacher's fault (because only x number of students can get a disability waiver, no matter the actual population...ergo, 7 students like this in your classroom, 5 must pass, or you, the teacher, are a failure.) In reality, 90 years of working with that group of students will not cure the damaged brains with which they were born...but that is the teacher's fault and responsibility. One severely disturbed student speaks often, in great detail, and at length, about the oral and other sexual activities he would like to do with a fellow student, and in fact is telling this other student all about it. This is the teacher's fault, and the principal will not even remove that student from class, nor call the parent, nor notify the female student's parents about the sexual harassment that they are allowing to go on all the time.
That's our local district.
Liberal Lolita
(82 posts)I worked with cognitive, and emotionally impaired students for many years. We had a problem with a principal who tried to blame teachers, rather than handling situations with student behavior, for a little while. The staff with the help of our union, went to the superintendent, and the school board. The principal was fired. If the staff in your district hasn't done this, they need to.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)There is a budget crisis and teachers are intentionally being harassed in every possible manner, starting with the most senior
(ie, highest paid and most likely to retire) and then working backwards to keep cutting salaries.
The principals here have been regularly terminated, transferred, or have left the last few years. What is done is always
whatever is politically expedient in the face of a raving parent.
It's just a very overall tragic situation for everyone, and I don't see any end in sight.
It all started after Governor Gashole slashed the education budgets here in Pa, and has only become increasinlgly worse.
Liberal Lolita
(82 posts)I'm sorry to hear things have gotten to this point.
I left education in 2007 after becoming disabled. I can directly link my disability to budget cuts. I was a SPED para pro. My district began keeping our severely multiply impaired students in district rather than paying for the expensive specialized program provided by the ISD. They did not purchase Hoyer Lifts, or other supplies needed to assist these students.
I injured my back early on. I was on medical leave 4 separate times in the last 3 years I was working. I would work a while, lifting these students, and re-injure my back. It got to the point that I needed L5-S1 fusion. I attempted to return for a few months after surgery, but the continued lifting had caused bulging, or herniation in L4-1. I have been told I need surgery again, but I'm putting it off as the recovery was so brutal.
I could have sued the district, but I chose not to. They were already dealing with budget short falls, and I didn't want to take more from the students.
Michigan Public School's budget woes began in 1994 with "school finance reform", and has increased with anti public school Republican leadership.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)retired teacher here...the way you handled the situation is sensible...the method employed by the police officer is criminal...most school systems would immediately suspend the cop before he was fired and criminal charges were brought by the parents...which is what happened years ago in NC...
to those who do not understand, a disruptive child in a classroom is a very routine situation...if you can't handle it, don't teach...
wordpix
(18,652 posts)do that.
The best education prof I ever had gave his method: have the phone nos. handy for all your students. First offense = private talk with teacher. 2nd offense the parent gets a phone call in the middle of class, but student is asked to take the phone out of the room to speak with parent privately. Usually that works. Let the parent handle it.
Sometimes you need another person in the classroom if you have a big class, to go around and keep the usual suspects on task.
fbc
(1,668 posts)That wasn't a struggle. It was a violent assault.
That student didn't fall to the floor. She was thrown to the floor.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
Tikki
(14,557 posts)I can think of ways to handle this differently.
Tikki
840high
(17,196 posts)follow a request to leave.
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)I worked in public education. There are ways to handle situations other than by violent force.
Tikki
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Incredible
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)I feel lost sometimes...
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)of a officer who is suppose to enforce the law not break it?
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)... than a violent "takedown" on a teen passively refusing to cooperate in school. She could have been badly hurt. A bit of patience would have been a start.
I remember a boy being carried out of class once in the 4th grade. Toughest nine-yr-old in the class, and he was physically fighting another kid and giving the substitute teacher a really hard time. I think he had just thrown a lunchbox at the blackboard and smashed it.
A very large male teacher came in and gently scooped him up under one arm, like a sack of potatoes, and carried the kid (who was grinning by that time) out of the room. He waved as he was carried away.
Just for the sake of cultural context, the "bad boy" was white, and the large male teacher was black.
It sure seems like we are increasingly moving toward treating school kids, and school discipline, like a version of prison, with guards and cuffs and arrests.
That's not how it's supposed to work.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)I can't believe there are DU'ers defending his actions. Difficult teenagers have been around since forever. You would think that there would be an adult in the room that could handle the situation in a way that didn't involve violence.
James48
(4,436 posts)To demand that Deputy Fields be arrested for felony assault-
Email: sheriff@rcsd.net & call (803) 576-3000
to voice your anger at the brutality of Deputy Ben Fields against this female student.
More video here:
https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/937383839633868/?fref=nf
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
and we wonder why kids don't like school. We come up with stupid crap to try to fix the "achievement gap" in pointless test scores, but we don't address the bigger issues.
trumad
(41,692 posts)
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Assholes ...
Rex
(65,616 posts)
Red Mountain
(1,735 posts)And talk the student out. If talking doesn't work, call EMTs to stand by and act as a third party if it results in a lawsuit.
Disruptive, yes. But I'm sick of obedience being a result of fear.
This crap is intended to send a message.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:04 AM - Edit history (1)
NJCher
(35,687 posts)This would have an impact.
Today on the news I heard that the police are claiming that they think the crime rise in certain cities has to do with the videotaping of violent police encounters.
Yeah, they're trying to tell us they can't have an effect on crime because we're taping them!
The argument doesn't hold water for obvious reasons. How stupid do they think we are?
I've been in the situation this teacher was in when there was open defiance by a student. Something has to be done in a situation like that, but this sure as hell isn't it. I was appalled, sickened, and disgusted by what I saw. In the farthest stretches of my imagination, I cannot conceive of what was going on in that officer's head. That is why I think it is snapping, most likely due to steroid use.
Cher
beevul
(12,194 posts)They should be tested monthly, violence or not, as a condition of employment.
They are given huge amounts of latitude, and the trust of the public.
That should not happen without certain guarantees.
47of74
(18,470 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)What's next, tazering them?
That fucker should not have a badge and should have to spend the rest of his working life shoveling shit in Louisiana.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Child abuse.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)it's about police "resource" officers in schools and how this creates the school to prison pipeline. Of course, the "Zero Tolerance" shit comes from the Bush admin. There are students that are getting tickets and arrested for chewing gum in class... some of these minor infractions end up of the students school transcript, which then gets forwarded to colleges and affect that child's college opportunities.
I think I watched it on Hulu. Check it out if you have a chance.
In my opinion, there's absolutely no reason other than endangering the lives of other students or the teacher, that physical force should be used in cases like this. As some have pointed out, the student IS old enough to know to get up and follow instructions. However, the student is also at the age when pushing at authority is a right of passage and judging her for being a kid doesn't negate the fact that no person, whom isn't violent, should be treated in such a manner.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)We're all for discipline, but that rent-a-cop distupted and disturbed the class far more with his thuggery than anything the girl did.
And as for zero tolerance, point well taken. ZT does not permit a student who has been violently assaulted to defend himself; he just has to let himself get beat up, lest he be suspended. And we have some DUers who seem to favor that policy. Unbelievable.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It was big during the Clinton years.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)who integrated it with No Child Left Behind... I could be misremembering that though.
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)Yes, the 'resource officer' was totally out of control in how he 'handled' the situation. No doubt there. This guy needs to be somewhere else.
But, what about those other students? A couple teachers posting in the thread above talk about how they empty the classroom except for the trouble maker and 'suddenly the situation becomes manageable.' The problem with this is that one disruptive student is allowed to take up probably half or more of the 50 minute class, and the other kids have to get up, go out and then wait. Finally, they can come back, but what have they learned?
My point, having raised two children and watched the quality of our schools go downhill as they went through, is that most kids are there to learn. Most actually care about their classes and want to master the material. It is not fair to these students to allow one student who does not want to be there to disrupt the entire class and steal that day's (or many days') learning from the rest of the kids. Because that's what it is.
The other issue here is that maybe this kid had a long history of being disruptive. We don't know, and while the 'resource officer' was violent and thus completely out of line, if this kid had a history of disrupting the class, why is she still in there? Those other kids are trying to learn, and you can see the body language of that one kid in the red striped shirt - he seems to be silently saying, 'Geez, is this happening again? Why am I wasting my time here?'
Perhaps this young lady would better benefit from a class designed for disruptive students so she doesn't have to ruin the classes for kids who want to be there.
My suggestion then, is to get this kid out of the mainstream into someplace where she doesn't have the power to steal the learning experience from the rest of the kids, at least until she can regain some kind of control, and summarily fire the 'resource officer.'
brush
(53,791 posts)Any teacher worth his/her salt can easily make up a half hour of instruction over the course of a semester. Many on this thread who have teaching experience have advocated moving the rest of the students to another room and deprive the disruptive student of their audience, which soon results in the petulant teen yielding and becoming cooperative.
The kind of violence in the video is traumatic to not just the bratty teen but to the rest of the class that watched it — not to mention that the brat was subject to serious bodily injury. A stupid move all around by that grown male manhandling a girl student.
What drives someone to think this is acceptable? I'm betting that those who do have no teaching experience at all and have no training in handling a classroom disruption.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)A fucking jail cell.
There is no defending this shit.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)how quick police officers chose excessive force.
I dont care how much of a school day is wasted if a student is sitting in a desk not physically threatening the officer the officer has no right to lay their hands on them.
There is no justistification for a 200lb man throwing a 100lb girl to the ground.
840high
(17,196 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)dealing with the 1 kid while the other kids waited. We petitioned the principal week finality got a teachers aid but still a lot of time was wasted so us parents made a schedule where there'd be at least 1 parent volunteer in class at all times to monitor. Mostly we'd watch, then gently touch or talk with a kid it two.
Eventually the highly disruptive kid was sent to a special school as it wasn't working for anyone.
The main instructions on how to deal with the kid was get out if the way, let the TA sit behind the kid and keep them from hitting anyone.
Never ever was any violence used or approved of, even when it was so frustrating.
The violence filmed here may have been at the end of a long encounter, but still was very wrong. He lost his temper at a child, wouldn't let her win, but by assaulting her, he did just that. He needs to be removed from any position of power, especially over children, and needs to get anger management and further training before being allowed such a position.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)So, this guy was "just doing my job" ????
Tempest
(14,591 posts)Tempest
(14,591 posts)James48
(4,436 posts)Update (6:45 p.m.)
A Spring Valley student named Aaron Johnson who says he was in the class sent me this account via Twitter direct message: The girl was asked by the teacher Mr. Long to leave the classroom and go to the discipline office, she ignored him, then an administrator came in and asked her if he needed to get the resource officer. She ignored him and then the officer came in. He asked if she was gonna go or if he had to make her go. Then he grabbed her and pulled her out of her desk and she fell on the ground with the desk still on her. He then threw her across the room and then got on top of her. Another student tried to stand up for her, which also led to her arrest.
We cannot confirm that a second student was apprehended in the aftermath of the taped incident. [Update: Via Buzzfeed, the sheriff’s department confirms that a second student was arrested.] I asked Johnson about Fields’ reputation at the school and he said, “A few of my friends say he has a history of using aggressive force.” As for the student in the video, Johnson said, “All I know is she was really quiet and she transferred to our class.”
The video was shot at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, South Carolina, according to a local news report which confirmed its authenticity with the school. Per a statement from another officer, the one in the video was attempting to remove a student who refused to leave class. School officials confirm the incident happened on Monday, but stopped short of releasing further details. According to Sheriff Leon Lott, the school resource officer was acting in response to a student who was refusing to leave class. “The student was told she was under arrest for disturbing school and given instructions which she again refused,” Lott said. “The video then shows the student resisting and being arrested by the SRO.”
WISTV has also posted a second video of the altarcation:
James48
(4,436 posts)Too bad real cops aren't more like TV's Adam-12 Officers Reed and McCoy.
47of74
(18,470 posts)
Friday and Gannon probably would've been able to talk into leaving the room and getting the help she needs.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Holy mother of unfathomable bullshit. I was an unrepentent juvenile delinquent. I spent an eternity in various stages of disciplinary purgatory. WTF is "under arrest for disturbing school?"
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)What the hell is going on in this country?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)While I'm glad the vast majority of responses are appropriate, I can't believe the number of people defending the officer's actions. It's fine to point out that disruptions suck, but even if the student was being disruptive at the time (which doesn't seem to be the case from the article), that sort of violence is not an appropriate response. I don't care if you lose a single @#$% class period to it. Ridiculous.
I'm not saying it couldn't have been handled differently, but GET disruptive kids out of the mainstream schools. I really want my kids to learn what they need to learn-period. No kid (or person) should be allowed to take away my kids learning/education. When a police officer says "YOU ARE UNDER ARREST" Do not resist. Go limp, comply and sort it out in court.
This kid has some deep issues and needs help and is probably acting out. There are 1000+ kids who would change seats with that kid in a second -just for the chance of education. Education is the only way I know out of poverty and a better life. Grab it if you get the chance. I financially support kids in Tanzania who have to PAY for education -or they don't get it! We could all use a reality check. We are all spoiled beyond belief.
Stonecarver
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)1 hour of your kids' education is NOT worth the potential for serious injuries to another kid just because they don't obey authority they way you wish they were trained to do. She's a freaking kid, for God's sake. Kids throw tantrums sometimes. Losing an hour, or even a day, will not hurt in any way, shape, or form in the long term. Others have posted on this thread the many other ways this situation could have been handled, with the objections being that some of them may have in some situations resulted in losing the class period.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)don't act out or expect to be confronted by a police officer? And if you're an inexperienced kid that doesn't know enough to listen to police officers, expect to be thrown to the ground and dragged away???
No. You don't call an officer in at all in a situation like this. You empty the room and continue the class in another room without the disruptive student. This is a no brainer.
If your intention is not to disrupt the other student's education, consider how disruptive it is to see one of your fellow students physically attacked in front of you and dragged away. Some of those kids are probably traumatized for life.
Bunch of idiots running things. Should be dragged out of school themselves.
Democat
(11,617 posts)Go reread those posts that you think are supporting the officer. Some people, who have worked in schools, have pointed out how hard it is to deal with disruptive students who are undermining the education of other students. I don't see anyone supporting the officer's violent actions.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)And that's with me giving the benefit of doubt to several others
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)who will defend any action taken by kops, up to and including executing random citizens in the streets.
Iris
(15,659 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)
npk
(3,660 posts)Cop should be fired and then arrested by assault. Ridiculous overreaction.
still_one
(92,219 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)disruptive students, no doubt. yes, that happens
But this guy had a kid that was offering no resistance and the move he did could have broken her neck and killed her or permanently crippled her.
Amazing that we put assholes like that in schools.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)at the point where the student was refusing to leave the teacher would call a simple time out, empty the classroom and find a temporary area to continue the class while the administrator talked with the girl to see what's up and perhaps brought a parent in.
It is insane that a school is too dumb to think of a better way to handle this than to use force to make a student comply. This is one of your students, not a prison inmate.
All involved should be fired but I'm sure the teacher had restraints on how she was allowed to respond.
Still horrible.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)So, you spent an hour preparing this one class.
You give the class and some time in, one of the students sabotages your plan to get through the teaching-material in time. You lose 5 minutes trying to get him to cooperate.
You lose another 5 minutes emptying the class-room.
You lose another 5 minutes consoling this asshole.
You lose another 5 minutes giving the parents a phone-call.
You lose another 15 minutes waiting for a parent to arrive.
You lose another 5 minutes until you can get back to your less... Oops. Time's up. And the whole class suffered because you catered to the whims of an asshole.
Education is not a chore. Education is a privilege, a gift, that is offered to you. If you don't want that gift, get the fuck out and stop wasting the time of your class-mates.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)I replied to Stonecarver:
In other words, if you're a kid from a poor neighborhood don't act out or expect to be confronted by a police officer? And if you're an inexperienced kid that doesn't know enough to listen to police officers, expect to be thrown to the ground and dragged away???
No. You don't call an officer in at all in a situation like this. You empty the room and continue the class in another room without the disruptive student. This is a no brainer.
And most importantly, if your intention is not to disrupt the other student's education, consider how disruptive it is to see one of your fellow students physically attacked in front of you and dragged away. Some of those kids are probably traumatized for life.
Bunch of idiots running things. Should be dragged out of school themselves.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)None of them is shocked or outraged or traumatized or shows sympathy towards her.
2. How long will it take to find an alternative class-room?
What if there is no other class-room?
How much time will be lost dealing with this situation?
What experience do the students get from this situation when they see how one misbehaving asshole gets all the attention and is catered to?
3. The teacher and an administrator tried to talk the student into leaving the class-room. She refused.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141243490#post57
I don't get this bullshit "If-a-child-misbehaves-I-leave" approach.
A while ago (other group, other topic) I asked a DUer what he would do if a misbehaving child wreaked havoc on his workplace. Would he also leave and let the unruly child sabotage adult-business? He said, Yes, he would leave his bureau and wait until the kid lets him return to work...
The child is here, the child is here to learn, the child must behave the way it is supposed to behave in this place. If the child behaves inappropriately in this place, the child must leave this place.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)You tell me to watch the video (I have, have you?) but you don't mention the student putting her hands over her face (a clear sign she did not want to witness this) or the fact that, the child who recorded the video and released it most probably because the approach of the officer had become so disruptive. If that was the way to handle it, why did it even attract the attention of the student enough to record it? Moreover, the attack by the officer is clearly the most sensational and disruptive of all the behavior on the video.
Now to your other two points.
2. So, according to you, any constraints on time and its potential loss trump dealing with a child non-violently, not to mention the fact that if a parent disciplined their child in this manner they would be arrested? He could have broken her neck but, apparently, that's okay because it saved the teacher time and it sent the "right" message to the other students.
I think you need to step back and look at the big picture. You are granting time more importance than the very real possibility of physical injury to a child.
3. I realize they tried to talk to the child and the child didn't listen. Big whoop. So that gives them cart blanche to then handle the situation with violence?
"I don't get this bullshit "If-a-child-misbehaves-I-leave" approach. "
And we don't get the "If-a-child-misbehaves-I-body-slam-them-to-the-ground-and-drag-them-away" approach.
That you apparently do "get that", is pretty disturbing.
Again, it's a misbehaving child, not a prison inmate.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)(20 students is just a guess.)
He just easily spent an hour of HIS UNPAID DOWN-TIME to prepare this class. That's the teacher-version of homework. If he's new on the job, you can count SEVERAL hours of preparation for one hour in class.
His job is to give his students the knowledge they need to grow, to become better people, to become successful.
A teacher has no fucking time for psychiatric sessions, because he's also responsible for spending time with 19 other students.
That one unruly student sabotaged the learning-experience of 19 other students.
If my message is the "wrong" one, the "right" message the students are supposed to learn is obviously that you will be catered to if you are a selfish asshole.
Was the teacher supposed to accept that one unruly student deprives 19 other students of their education?
The violence used in removing the student was over-the-top, but this doesn't change the fact that removing the student from class was the only practical and pedagogic option.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)But she/he has time and patience for a WWE-like throw down in the middle of her/his class?
I assume the teacher continued teaching while all this was going on since her/his time is so valuable and limited?
Come now. Be realistic. Please.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)Can't lose a precious moment for any reason. Just like the U.S. Postal Department: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed .....
polly7
(20,582 posts)That's actually a small class size where I live. And we have unruly students, who do much, much worse than this little girl did and aren't tossed around brutally like this asshole did to her. He could have injured her very, very badly. I also fault that teacher for not stopping it, talk about wimping out!
This is something that will affect her for the rest of her life.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Another Resource Officer restrained him at first. After an exchange of words the officer took a wild swing at the kid's head and face. The kid hits him back and the classroom erupts.
It appears the officers came close to triggering their much deserved ass kicking by the entire classroom.
So the class-mates very much did mind that she was dragged away. If you watch part two you will see that it came very close to an all out riot.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)ieoeja
(9,748 posts)It may have been a different incident that they linked to as "similar". I took it the way it said. I might be wrong.
Crowsgrace
(2 posts)They aren't moving because they are paralyzed by fear of retaliation. Schools and parents are expected to learn and use discipline. Assault is not a legal form of parental discipline and it should not be legal for the school either while taking responsibility for that child.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)with the cop, as well. No one is allowed to "save" anyone from a cop while he/she metes out "justice" without at least facing jail.
Those children were very keenly aware of what was happening, as anyone should be able to grasp, were trying hard to keep from making the situation worse, and were in a hideous position themselves. They knew that anger would hit them next if they dared move or comment while the beast was doing his "job."
Your comment is absolutely dead center. They were deeply compromised, and very afraid to make it worse.
Welcome to D.U., Crowsgrace.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)He also said he was afraid the same thing would happen to him if he reacted. The girl student who was trying to defend the girl, was arrested too.
packman
(16,296 posts)in parent/administrative/student meetings and maybe a superintendent/teacher meeting and maybe several teacher group meetings . It does not stop there.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)None of them is reacting in shock to her being violently removed. None of them has sympathy for her.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)They have all ready been programmed to obay the beasts.
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JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)by pointing out that the other teenagers are judging it to be justified, I'm afraid you've forgotten who the adults are.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)The class-mates where there. The whole time. And during those few seconds on video they do not behave like someone who thinks what's happening is wrong.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I see a classroom full of terrified kids. We'll agree to disagree, but I hope you get a taste of it first hand from a position of innocence. If no one stops it or cries out be assured, you deserved it.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)The kids accepted it up to a point. But one kid stood up to them, a cop takes a wild swing at his head and face, the kid swings back and others look like they are going to jump in when the cops back off.
The other poster is way off base with the patently idiotic assertion that the other kids SUPPORTED this shit.
That poster is like the racist who uses the excuse that nobody spoke up in disagreement with them to mean that everyone must agree with them. If those people ever heard what was said about them when they leave the room, they would be shocked to learn how many times they are called an "ignorant asshole" by their "agreeable friends".
It aint just out there.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)They didn't defend their classmate until she was brutalized.
When there is a disruptive student who will not comply to the point that the teacher and principal are unable to diffuse the situation, the only sane action is to take the other students out of the room. Call in school counselors, the girl's mother. Calm things down. Ask her to explain why she is acting out. The kids would not have been upset by such an action. They might be mad, but they would also expect she was going to get in trouble. They would be like traffic passing by an accident. Rubbernecking.
Instead, the school calls in the rent-a-cop to teach her a lesson she will never forget. And they do it in full view of other kids causing them to become distressed and angry enough to defend their classmate. Adults were in control. They are the ones who lost it.
I am appalled by some of the responses on this thread. I have been accused of stereotyping upthread for suggesting that if this was a white girl she would not have been manhandled. Honestly, I can't believe so many rational adults come unglued over the passive resistant actions of a teenage girl to the point of defending the cop's actions! And now, these people are defending the cop by saying the girl tried to defend herself by instinctively fighting back. The adults bear the responsibility for her reaction. They would give this child a criminal record over texting in class.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)What could possibly be the reason why the class-mates don't react in outrage or defence to the student being violently removed?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"t tells us about what happened before the incident...."
No, it tells us nothing... indeed, you merely infer that. Inferring a thing is easily confused with implying a thing for people who also confuse playing the devil's advocate with irrational justifications for abuse.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Could the reason be you being too fucking lazy to click the "watch part two" button where they do react in outrage in defence of the student being violently removed?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)We know from what one of her classmates told the local news affiliate that her classmates were all horrified and that another student verbally-challenged the SROs authority to do what he is shown in the video doing...and was also arrested for disturbing school. Also, that Sr. Dpty. Fields has a reputation around the school of using inappropriate levels of violence.
Her classmates, despite apparently barely knowing her (She's apparently quiet and a recent transfer into the class), are on her side.
Have you ever been "relaxed" watching a cop beat someone?
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)They are completely aware if they even make eye contact with the lunatic while he's administering his unique form of activity, he will be all over them next, and they might not fare as well. If you took the time to let down your hostility, you would see they were all taking it in, truly absorbing it, completely aware of not only the event, but any possible reaction to anything they might say or do to protest it, as would happen being trapped in a room with a raging bull.
Cops don't allow comments from the peanut gallery when they are on a spree like this guy.
Where have you been all your life, to be unable from grasping the simplest truths?
"Cool and relaxed." My god.
Sentath
(2,243 posts)It's not a lack of sympathy, it's a lack of social / situational currency to expend on being anything other than innocent bystander.
If they get involved, even just by reacting in a disapproving manner they risk bringing the panopticon down on themselves.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Don't schools do that anymore? If a kid needs consequences, aren't there non-violent ones?
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)She needs to talk to a counselor - not get suspended. Her mother just died, she has a new foster parent and she is in a new school. Maybe she was just depressed and scared. The girl who defended her and also was arrested, said the girl seemed very sad.
Why not help instead of punish a girl whose life is a mess.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)consequences for kids that don't include horrific violence.
I agree, counseling would be quite appropriate.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Most parents have to leave in the a.m. to work, so Jane Doe suspended from school usually gets no consequence at home and in fact, loves having a day/week off school.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)To say that there are potential consequences other than beating the hell out of a kid.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)All I see is a cop grabbing a girl and throwing her on the floor, then dragging her on the floor...
"struggle ensues and the student falls on the floor" Falls???? She is THROWN on the floor, he is twice as heavy and bigger....
There is no justification for that...
Title: It Can't Happen Here (1935)
Author: Sinclair Lewis
You can read it for free here, the "Candidate" in the book reminds me of Trump, and for those of you who think that Trump cannot win the general election, read the book:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html
Once you are done with that book you can also read:
"It Can Happen Here: Authoritarian Peril in the Age of Bush"
http://www.amazon.com/Can-Happen-Here-Authoritarian-Peril/dp/0312379307/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1445951079&sr=8-5&keywords=it+can+happen+here
It is very telling that the students try to continue with their tasks, and don't even want to look up...they are afraid it can happen to them, I bet it happens often. Disgusting!
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Administrators can deal with the disruptive student by calling her parents. The school counselors can be brought in as well. They are trained to deal with students with emotional problems.
The rest of the class will know that such behavior is not tolerated and that a student like this will not push the adults' buttons to the point where they lose control of the classroom or themselves.
Students are drilled constantly on how to deal with potentially dangerous emergency situations. They know how to leave a classroom in an orderly fashion. IMO, the only time a reaction this extreme might be called for is if a student is armed or acting out in a violent fashion that poses a direct threat to other students' or the teacher's safety.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)What if the disruptive student's parents don't care?
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)That's very unlikely. Most students comply with rules. You do not diffuse situations by escalating them.
Most parents care when their kids are in trouble. Why would you suggest they don't? If the parent does not respond to a call about the student's behavior when she is being threatened with expulsion, then the student needs more from adults than to be brutalized for passive resistance. Yet, we have frustrated adults across the country handcuffing little kids, violently taking them down, attacking mainly children and teens of color often young girls for not conforming to their expectations. A timeout for everyone involved seems in order.
I am disturbed by the racial element involved. White teachers, admins and police all showing their lack of skill at dealing with troubled teens who do not act like polite little white girls.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If the rest of the students in the class feel that another student is being treated unfairly, I can see them showing solidarity for that student by not leaving the classroom. It would be harder for them all to removed or punished if they stand together.
Most parents care when their kids in trouble. Lots of parents don't. They may have bigger problems they are dealing with. Numerous other kids who take up their focus. Addictions they are dealing with. Antipathy towards one of their children. Personal issues that do not allow them to be good parents.
Being polite is not behavior particular to white girls. That is a ridiculous racial stereotype.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)The ones I see are mostly young black kids. That is a stereotype? BS. Young white girls are certainly likely to refuse to comply at times, but they are rarely treated as the girl in this class was treated. That is not stereotyping, it is the truth.
Racism rears its ugly head in this country all the time. I do not believe for one second that a white girl would be treated that way.
As for the uprising where you expect other students to rise in defense of the one attacked that really didn't happen other than one girl screaming ( she also got arrested). Some of the others barely look up from their desks. The one behind the attacked girl for example stays "on task" even when the girl's legs hit her desk. One of the boys stares down at his desk refusing to be drawn in either because he knows the student is in the wrong or he fears being attacked himself by the cop.
You are acting awfully certain that the majority of kids would not leave class if asked to do so. I have been in classes where there was a disruptive student. The others left when class was dismissed. It calmed the situation down immediately. There was no longer an audience, and both sides could cool down. No one was manhandled.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Being polite is not a behavior that is specific to whites.
If you had made the point that a defiant and disobedient white girl would not have been treated the same as a defiant and disobedient black girl then I think that would be a reasonable claim - but that's not what you wrote.
The other students didn't look up from their desks - but if they were told they all needed to leave the class, you don't know how they would have responded.
I am not certain that the majority of kids would not leave the class - I am suggesting that it is not automatic that they all definitely would have complied. In fact, it could have escalated the situation.
Imagine if the resource officer had demanded that the other students leave the classroom and they chose not to do so.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I do not believe the cop would attack a white girl like this. I have seen numerous videos of black kids being tazed, handcuffed, attacked by cops in schools in Youtube videos. Why is that? Because they perceive these kids to be out of control. That girl is being attacked for not meeting white expectations of polite and proper behavior. The cop acts as if it is no different than kicking a dog when he attacks a child of color. He is the one stereotyping based on his white world view, one I by the way do not share being a person of color myself. And also a woman who does not conform to white social norms about being a submissive polite female. It's bullshit to say that that isn't how we are conditioned to act as women in this society. And men and cops are the ultimate defenders of this idea, punishing women especially those of color who step outside these norms.
If I said it unclearly earlier, I will restate it: this child was attacked for not acting like a polite submissive white girl.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is the line that promulgates a ridiculous stereotype. I am surprised that you are restating here.
If you had written: "the child was attacked for not acting like a polite submissive girl (without the "white" part)" then I would agree with you.
If you had written: "had a white girl behaved in this fashion, she would not have been attacked in this way, but because the girl was black, she was treated differently" then I also would've agreed with you.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)It is not a stereotype to say so. And it is ridiculous to deny this. We expect girls to be docile. Charm school graduates. Malibu Barbie. Prom queens. Cheerleaders. Future soccer Moms in SUVs. Middle class suburban white values rule in this country. That's why black kids are arrested for their clothing, admonished not to be loud and boisterous in public, are profiled anytime they step outside their homes particularly in groups, and are treated more harshly by the police for even the slightest infractions. It's because they do not reflect the norms as defined by the dominant group in this country. I don't need you to rephrase what I say and keep scolding me. It won't change the facts.
The thug cop brutally attacked a black girl because she didn't jump when he demanded she do. In other words, she was a minority with an attitude. And he was the self-appointed enforcer of white values which she dared to challenge. I'm just glad he got fired.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are some parts I don't agree with and was just trying to present my own opinions on the subject as well.
In any case, you've given me a lot to think about. I appreciate the exchange and hope you took my comments in the spirit in which they were given.
All the best!
carla
(553 posts)ACAB. Fire him family should sue the school district and the bad cop for assault and endangering a child and child abuse. THAT is NOT the way to handle an unruly and disobedient teen. Shaming works better.
perdita9
(1,144 posts)The cop never should have even been called. I don't like how he manhandled her, but she should have cooperated in the first place.
polly7
(20,582 posts)She seemed to be sitting quietly. Any later punishment would have been known by the other students and sent the same message.
What is wrong with some teachers that they can't think of an easy alternative? And why didn't he/she step in and stop the violence?
If I were her parent seeing this it would break my heart, and make me very ...... very angry. I hope they sue.
perdita9
(1,144 posts)I have. The teacher has to be in charge. If you let one kid get away with something (sassing, ignoring instructions, etc.) the behavior spreads like wildfire and soon the entire class is out of control. When that happens, you're no longer teaching, which is what they pay you to do.
You may not like authoritarian behavior, but someone has to be in charge and that's the teacher. What if this brat pulled her stunt during a fire drill?
The law on this is clear -- students are not allowed to disrupt the educational process. If they do, it interferes with everyone else's right to an education.
Do I approve of what the cop did? No. But the kid should have complied with the teacher's instruction beforehand.
polly7
(20,582 posts)but I did! have teachers and remember how horrible we were back then as students at times.
The teachers who got the best results with some of us little creeps never, ever used violence or called on anyone else to use it, and we definitely learned from whatever punishment they doled out.
I hate this blame the child garbage ............. kids act out, adults are supposed to be competent enough to figure out ways to deal with it without calling in the brutes.
I was beaten many times (as an adult) by someone much bigger and stronger - I apparently 'acted out' and deserved it. To this day still have nightmares, anxiety and at times, serious depression because of it. Is it right to ruin a child's future with effects like that because someone lacks the imagination to deal with, what I saw as, mild disobedience in a humane manner?
perdita9
(1,144 posts)They were over the top and violent. But the kid should have done what she was told.
Everybody has bad days--teachers and cops included. Some days, you're prone to lashing out when the kids start acting like brats.
polly7
(20,582 posts)They are paid to approach every situation professionally - and that means leaving their personal problems and anger issues out of it. Period.
Teachers, of course. But I still believe most are able to handle situations like this in a different way that could have prevented it.
jamejest
(37 posts)Before 911 I was watching one of the Sunday news specials which happened to address how police departments where using a wide
variety of tools to weed out those who had no business being a cop. After 911, those programs have been seemingly discarded and
instead replaced with ones to select recruits with the highest displays of aggression and tyrannical behavior ! This is easily reflected
in that police academies now mirror Marine Boot Camp and methods of restraint are taught that inflict the maximum amount of
physical pain and damage, anyone who is not a cop is scum and will be treated as scum !
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)Y'all wave your Confederate battle flags high now.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Why are these animals hired and allowed to be so violent? You want her out of the classroom? Two of you carry her in the chair and bring her out of the room. Then you call her parents. WTF is so hard about doing that? Oh, yeah, it's non-violent. Non-violence is anathema to these roided assholes.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)There has been a scary number of responses in this thread that either straight out think the cops behavior was justified or believe that it might be justified.
The only two scenarios that I could think of that could possibly be used to justify man-handling a child by a cop is: a) The child is point a gun and threatening to shoot another student or the teacher, or b) The child is holding a grenade and is threatening to pull the pin. If there are no lives in imminent danger, cops need to keep their damn hands to themselves.
Some of the responses in this thread are almost as horrid as the cop's actions.
harun
(11,348 posts)Hammers hit nails. Now why the administration is using hammers on kids is another story.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Two separate events. A bad response from educators led to a bad response by a cop who has been trained to take down suspects in any brutal fashion he deems necessary. The school admins used him as a pitbull to force compliance on a student. These cops should not ever have the power to manhandle a child who has not broken a law. Refusing to comply with school officials is not a violation of any law. Rules perhaps, but not laws. A cop should only respond to actual lawbreaking. He would not be on suspension today if this is what he had done.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Cop asshole physical assaulted that girl and could have seriously injured her-
Words on the Intertubes come nothing even close to that
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)If a student is being intransigent and refuses direction to leave a classroom or report to an office, then exactly what method should be used to get him/her to comply?
What this particular cop did was wrong and inexcusable. Criminal, even. (He should be fired and prosecuted for some sort of battery or assault.)
But, what method should be used to remove an non-compliant teenager? And, it's not acceptable to say "nothing - leave the teen alone because she says she didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve to be sent to the office". If these kids are misbehaving, they can't be let off simply because it would be controversial to physically move them.
Again - the cop in this video is a violent asshole who has crossed the line.
But, what procedures are recommended for getting these kids disciplined without making such a violent confrontation?
47of74
(18,470 posts)Have the other students and teacher leave the room and have the officer and other school officials remain with the student to make sure they don't hurt themselves while calling the parents for assistance.
Often times when the student has been denied the audience they'll comply.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Often teenagers will take the side of a fellow student over the authority figure in charge, especially if they feel the student is being unjustly singled out or punished.
perdita9
(1,144 posts)Some kids set off these events because they want to be punished. I've seen teens deliberately escalate situations to try and get suspended.
NOLALady
(4,003 posts)suicide by cop?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I agree with everything you've written here and would pose the same question.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)The class period by this point was already a waste for the day.
Tell the principal, and push for her to be suspended or expelled.
Any class disruption she caused was only worsened 10-fold by bringing police into the matter.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If the class is cancelled, where do they go?
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole.
Nothing that happened here justifies bringing the police in.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I just wonder what the best way would have been to handle a situation like this before it got to this point.
Presumably this is not the first time a high schooler refused to hand over a cell phone to the teacher.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:54 PM - Edit history (1)
Sad as can be.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)P'tooey!
DU leaving a bad taste this morning.
Iris
(15,659 posts)womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)So many authoritarian non compassionate people on this site. Wow, she texted in class and would not leave. Let's call her brat and disruptive when she probably has severe emotional problems. A fellow student said she felt sorry for her because she has been so sad.
Iris
(15,659 posts)what the hell?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I can't WAIT to see what the future generations do to US, when we are old and in their way. Just like that kid was in the cops way, so he decided to abuse her as a human being.
YEP...reap and sow shit...gonna happen. Kids grow up to be adults.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)has changed and my opinion is still firm. Bad idea. . .these people have no idea how to handle students, teenagers or people in general.
But the victim was black, so no one will really care. Now, if this was someone suffering from affluenza, the country would be up in arms.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)
Ben, another perverted misogynistic bully KKKop.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)I could look forward to the leather belt.
Nowadays Parents will just sue.
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Generic Other
(28,979 posts)All for texting in class. In my day that would have been passing a note to a classmate. Not a crime, yet this school calls in law enforcement. They are ready to escalate this non-crime into a criminal record for the kid. They failed at their jobs. They used a flame thrower to try and chase a fly out of the house. They escalated a trivial misdeed by the child into a crime against the child.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)"parent the kid"? Maybe having some empathy for a recently orphaned teen is beyond you.
Generic Other, sorry for piggybacking onto your post but I wanted to address that hidden post.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)rladdi
(581 posts)politicians. It is past time for parents to take an interest in education, as it being controlled by a few who is destroying what is taught to kids. Parents demand changes in the educational system, at the state and local levels. You are in control, not the politicians and those that want control. Make your Governor, state and local representative aware of what you demand. The local educational boards need parents involvement.
Cops should NOT be in the schools. The Republicans have turned schools into prisons. Lets change this parents. GET INVOLVED.
Farmbrook
(48 posts)So what gives this officer the right to abuse this petulant child! Racist cop and and he has a history of racial bias before and has a history of being sued. For all the cop apologist - SHAME ON YOU!! One day it could be your child and I hope you support the abuser.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)A uniformed thug initiated physical violence by assaulting the student.
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)Deputy Ben Fields, the Richland County, South Carolina, police officer under fire after a video went viral showing him throwing a high school student from her desk at Spring Valley High School, has been sued twice in federal court.
Fields has been placed on administrative duty while the video is investigated. You can watch the video and read more about Fields here.
One of the lawsuits is still pending with a jury trial set for January 2016. The other lawsuit went to a jury, which found in favor of Fields.
Fields Was Accused of Attacking a Man Over a Noise Complaint
http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/ben-fields-richland-county-south-carolina-deputy-spring-valley-high-school-video-federal-lawsuits-racism-civil-rights-dismissed/
Just like other crimes of 3 strikes your out 3 guilty and life in prison! oh a little drastic you say, well you would be correct!
alarimer
(16,245 posts)"Disrespect". Give me a fucking break. That officer deserves NO respect. Neither does the teacher.
Overkill in the extreme. Look up the statistics on the school to prison pipeline, how African-American students are treated in schools vs. white students.