Sanders' campaign delays speech explaining democratic socialism

[riversedge]

Source: cnn



By Dan Merica, CNN

Updated 2:48 PM ET, Wed November 4, 201


(CNN)Bernie Sanders' top strategists and advisers told CNN last month that their candidate had finally agreed to give a major speech explaining his democratic socialist views and that he would do so before the second Democratic debate on November 14.

That plan has now changed.

Tad Devine, Sanders' top strategist, told CNN on Wednesday that the speech will now come after the debate in Des Moines, citing the senator's busy schedule.
Bernie Sanders' political career

But while Sanders has started writing the speech, aides have said it has been difficult to get him to agree to give it.

Devine maintained Wednesday that the senator is "not the least bit apprehensive" to give the speech.

"He's looking forward to it, but these speeches take some time," he added.

In the lead-up to his campaign, Sanders was routinely asked about his "socialist" views. He would usually rebut the questions with a quick disclaimer: He is a "democratic socialist," not a socialist.
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At the first Democratic debate, CNN asked Sanders if he considered himself a "capitalist."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-socialism-speech/index.html

[bravenak]

1. He needs more time to get an explanation ready?

He shoud hire Vanilla. She has the definitions DOWN!

[riversedge]

5. His pollsters that he just hired last week need time see what explanations will fly with

the public. Stay tuned.

[bravenak]

10. I hope this is not a weathervane move.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

14. Yes...

... to do as much pre-emption to any potential hate group/RICO group zingers as possible. Or something like that, seriously.


I.E...making sure all the font's used cannot be attributed to something in the next century.

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. It will be interesting to see how his speach conforms to political science definitions of Democratic

Socialism.

I am interested to see if he will take on the ownership of the means of production, which is a core principal of Democratic socialism; generally that it requires a socialist economy in which the means of production are socially and collectively owned or controlled alongside a politically democratic system of government.

[thesquanderer]

3. Sweden didn't buy Volvo.

America did kinda own GM for a while, though...

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. Actually, the only time America did that was WWI when Wilson nationalized the railroads.

with the USRA.

Railroads were rebuilt and engines standardized. After the war, the government gave them back to their owners.

Ownership of the means of production is handled differently by different countries. I am interested in seeing his approach or if he will even touch it.

[thesquanderer]

16. My point was that...

...the Scanadanavian counties BS points to as a model of the kind of Democratic Socialism he espouses do not embrace government ownership of the means of production.

[Oldtimeralso]

12. NO Ford Owned Volvo

From 1999 to 2010 and sold it to the Chinese!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

19. That's BS, we've had democratic socialism in this country forever

and most people like it! Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, police and fire protection, etc.

[Thinkingabout]

26. No, Sanders is going to have a revolution, if we had a socialism country, there would not be a need

for a revolution, which way is it?

[BlueCaliDem]

4. A "Democratic Socialist" IS a Socialist in every way we know that word to mean.

Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracy (usually multi-party representative democracy) with social ownership of the means of production. Although sometimes used synonymously with "socialism", the adjective "democratic" is sometimes added to distinguish itself from other models of socialism which democratic socialists perceive to be undemocratic.[1]

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Democratic socialism rejects the social democratic view of reform through state intervention within capitalism, seeing capitalism as inherently incompatible with the democratic values of freedom, equality, and solidarity. Democratic socialists believe that the economic contradictions inherent to capitalism can only be solved by transitioning from capitalism to socialism, by superseding private property with some form of social ownership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

I.O.W., Bernie Sanders is a Socialist. Period. Full stop. And that's okay. His choice. But the United States is not, has never been, and will never be a socialist society.

The United States of America, Denmark, Holland, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Belgium, France, Norway, and others, are SOCIAL DEMOCRACIES, not Democratic Socialist countries.

Social democracy is a political ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a capitalist economy, and a policy regime involving welfare state provisions, collective bargaining arrangements, regulation of the economy in the general interest, redistribution of income and wealth, and a commitment to representative democracy.[1][2][3] Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater egalitarian, democratic and solidaristic outcomes, and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Western and Northern Europe - particularly in the Nordic countries - during the latter half of the 20th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

(Shout out and full credit given to DemocratSinceBirth and VanillaRhapsody for educating me on this. I am forever grateful. )

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Thanks for that.

[BlueCaliDem]

24. You're very welcome, Tarheel_Dem!

[Historic NY]

6. Sound like his aides want him to give a lecture...

[jtuck004]

8. Don't want no comminists.n/t

[Hoyt]

9. A couple weeks ago, Bill Maher lobbed that question to Sanders. He was awful

in explaining it. He's got to get that message down.

[LittleGirl]

13. I was disappointed in his explanation

in that segment as well. If he's going to do it, he needs to do it right.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. Yeah, being crushed 2:1 in national polling has a tendency to make one "reassess".

[Festivito]

15. Our rich enjoy the socialism of bailed banks, oil subsidies, and on and on and on.

Harsh capitalism for the non-rich. The harsher the better we are told.

"He's not conservative enough!" That is: he's not conserving socialism for the rich and only for the rich.

The richest of rich in our media teach us, pound us, drill us in what to conserve.

We are drilled to the degree that no one knows the difference between socialism and communism in America. You don't, do you? Why should Europeans know more than we do? We are the richest nation on earth. We are not just embarrassed not-yet-millionaires. We're just trying to keep us from being embarrassed of ourselves.

Let's start living up to our greatest ideals for all, and not just the need for greed of a few.

[INdemo]

17. Perhaps Hillary could give us the 10 reasons

why we should believe that she is a Progressive.
Could Hillary give her speech before the debate?
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I think this would be a copy of her speech.

[riversedge]

18. Changing the topic will not make the OP disappear.

[INdemo]

21. So you can't list 10 reasons?

I understand

[riversedge]

22. Let your fingers do the walking with Google

[Eric J in MN]

20. The delay is fine.

Being 1 of 3 candidates in the next debate will give Sanders more attention.

It makes sense to wait until after that for this speech.

[Spazito]

25. Kicking n/t