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Omaha Steve

(99,718 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:49 PM Nov 2015

Teen discovers his real identity when applying to college

Source: AP

By JAY REEVES and JOHN P. COYNE

VESTAVIA HILLS, Ala. (AP) — An Ohio teenager applying to college discovered some startling things about himself because of a discrepancy involving his Social Security number: His real name. And that he was allegedly snatched from his mother in Alabama by his father when he was 5.

Father and son were discovered living under assumed names this week in Cleveland, where by all accounts 18-year-old Julian Hernandez was an excellent student and had been well cared for. The father, Bobby Hernandez, 53, was arrested and faces charges that could send him to prison for a decade or more.

Authorities are still trying to piece together what happened to the boy over the 13 years he was missing. But some of the bare facts are known: He vanished from his mother's home in the Birmingham area in 2002, his father leaving a note saying he had taken the child, according to authorities. The couple were not married.

Over the years, police investigated hundreds of possible sightings across the country. The break in the case didn't come until the son started applying to college.

FULL story at link.


This undated photo provided by Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office shows Bobby Hernandez. Hernandez is charged with tampering with records in Ohio to get a driver's license and that police say he'll face abduction charges in Alabama. Authorities say Julian Hernandez was 5 when his mother reported him missing, and he's now 18. They say he had apparently been living in Ohio under an assumed name with his father, Bobby Hernandez. (Cuyahoga County Prosecutors Office via AP)

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b82e70af954f4ec1b243c683229a6e55/teen-discovers-his-real-identity-when-applying-college

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Teen discovers his real identity when applying to college (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2015 OP
One good use of government personal records--doesn't forgive all the bad ones, though Demeter Nov 2015 #1
That poor childs mom. Imagine what she went through. trillion Nov 2015 #27
It would seem that he's not a hardened criminal or a 3 strikes one either ffr Nov 2015 #2
I do not think it is a matter of pressing charges when a child is kidnapped. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #3
He might have done the best for the kid AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2015 #4
Doesn't matter. If she was unfit he should have taken it to court. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #5
Yeah cause that works Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #21
20 years ago it worked as good as it does not. Of course if you're a sexist with knee jerk reactions trillion Nov 2015 #31
No it didn't. Sorry to burst but your bubble, but it did not work that way 20 years ago. Drahthaardogs Nov 2015 #32
You're trying to justify kidnapping and stealing the kid's relationship with is own geek tragedy Nov 2015 #13
i have known kids who were burned with cigarettes by their mother to "drive out evil spirits" AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2015 #17
you're not seeing the trouble with parental kidnapping? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #18
I agree. I mean, it is necessary to look at these things case by case, truedelphi Nov 2015 #19
I imagine most kidnappers apply the your sentiment too. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #22
In this case it is the childs father, not just one of "most kidnappers" AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2015 #24
Actually, you're missing way too much. trillion Nov 2015 #29
Guess you didn't read the article, it said they were not married. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2015 #34
I tend to agree with you davidpdx Nov 2015 #6
He should get LIFE just for renaming the kid... PassingFair Nov 2015 #9
He's a kidnapper. Kidnapping is a very, very grave offense. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #11
Yeah, right, he's living under a fake name and raising the kid with a fake name for no reason. trillion Nov 2015 #28
Can't help but think you are male OldHippieChick Nov 2015 #33
Throw this kid's father in jail for illegally raising him and throw away the key! mhatrw Nov 2015 #7
maybe it will deter the next kidnapper. The dad stole the kid's relationship with his mother from geek tragedy Nov 2015 #12
dad is bad. dad screwed kid. mhatrw Nov 2015 #14
Think about the position that what put the mother in. If she is the one who makes the decision StevieM Nov 2015 #16
Your perfect world seems predicated on sentiment rather than justice. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #23
I hate to think of the hell the mother went through for 13 years FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #8
Absolutely agreed. This poor woman must have been traumatized. (eom) StevieM Nov 2015 #15
He could have been a stunt double for "The Fonz". Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #10
I got arrested for kidnapping and interstate flight Go Vols Nov 2015 #20
Thanks for this post. I believe most people think mothers should have the kids, AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2015 #25
My grandson's mother never really bonded with him, and his father and I have raised him. djean111 Nov 2015 #26
If the mothers unfit then take it to court. Stealing the kid is one heck of an indication that the trillion Nov 2015 #30
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. One good use of government personal records--doesn't forgive all the bad ones, though
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:03 PM
Nov 2015

That poor boy, his whole world's turning upside down, just on the brink of college....

ffr

(22,671 posts)
2. It would seem that he's not a hardened criminal or a 3 strikes one either
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:03 PM
Nov 2015

So why throw the book at him. See what the mother says. If she doesn't press charges, it's probably far far far better for this kid to have a parent who can help support him through college, then to make an example of the father and risk the boy not being able to go or complete college. After all, I'm sure the father had something to do with the boy wanting to go to college. if not directly, indirectly; values. That would suggest he's always been interested in his future and is probably a good parent.

I'd really be curious to know who the mother is, her situation and how she feels about all this. Hope for the boy's sake the court goes lenient, depending on the mother's position, rather than full tilt to-the-extent-of-the-law.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
3. I do not think it is a matter of pressing charges when a child is kidnapped.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:48 PM
Nov 2015

He broke the law and denied a mother and son the experiences they should have had.

GOOD PARENTS do not kidnap their children from their other parent.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
31. 20 years ago it worked as good as it does not. Of course if you're a sexist with knee jerk reactions
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:44 AM
Nov 2015

on women you might come up with this crazy blanket statement idea of how the courts work.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
32. No it didn't. Sorry to burst but your bubble, but it did not work that way 20 years ago.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:33 AM
Nov 2015

If we are playing out the scenario that the father acted in the best interest of the son because mommy was a loon (which I have no idea is true or not, just the scenario some one up above posted), the courts were pretty sexist 20 years ago. I remember one judge in a rather infamous case talking about never seeing a calf try to suckle a bull...

Why do people always want to re-invent history to fit their politically correct wannabe world? It didn't happen that way 20,30, 40 years ago. Sorry. Facts are facts and it makes me a realist, not a sexist.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,852 posts)
17. i have known kids who were burned with cigarettes by their mother to "drive out evil spirits"
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

We do not know the situation the child was in, and may never find out, but some kids need to be removed from the parent. It also may have been best to "go through the court system" as the other reply states, but we do not know what was happening among all involved.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
19. I agree. I mean, it is necessary to look at these things case by case,
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:46 PM
Nov 2015

But in Marin County Calif, a woman had to go to jail for kidnapping charges, after she took the child away from the father that was sexually abusing the kid.

Then the truth finally came out - years later, when the father killed his new wife (or live in partner, I forget which.) And at that point, the poor woman finally got out of jail and was reunited with the daughter.

But the sad thing was, the woman faced higher criminal charges, higher bail requirements etc, than she would have if it had been a stranger abduction!

All across the USA, the parent who has the better financial resources gets to win in court, regardless of whether they are abusive or negligent. The family court systems are corrupt beyond belief.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. I imagine most kidnappers apply the your sentiment too.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

I imagine most kidnappers apply the your sentiment too.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,852 posts)
24. In this case it is the childs father, not just one of "most kidnappers"
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:45 AM
Nov 2015

and the boy, now 18 and applying for college seems to have been well raised.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
29. Actually, you're missing way too much.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:40 AM
Nov 2015

Most likely the dad kidnapped the kid during a divorce and the mother would have been fine raising him.

I was also kidnapped by my father when I was 5 during a divorce. My brother, sister and I were found when a friend of my mom's recognized my dad and us at a beach and called the police, after we'd been gone weeks. My mother had a nervous break down over it. you must be one hell of a sexist woman hater. This creep should have gone through the justice system if he wanted his kid, instead he took off and lived illegally. If it was an unfit mom it was up to this creep to take that to court. AND we have no reason to believe the mom is unfit at this point.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. I tend to agree with you
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:15 AM
Nov 2015

I had just read the story on Yahoo. The really bad cases are the ones were there are parents from two different countries.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
28. Yeah, right, he's living under a fake name and raising the kid with a fake name for no reason.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:30 AM
Nov 2015

oh wait!

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
33. Can't help but think you are male
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:23 PM
Nov 2015

and have no idea what the mother went thru all these years. He kept this child from his mother for 13 years. He deserves every book they can throw at him. What a vile creature to do this to his child.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
7. Throw this kid's father in jail for illegally raising him and throw away the key!
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 04:06 AM
Nov 2015

That will definitely make everything all better for this kid.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. maybe it will deter the next kidnapper. The dad stole the kid's relationship with his mother from
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 PM
Nov 2015

the kid. That's sick.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
14. dad is bad. dad screwed kid.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:06 PM
Nov 2015

But in a perfect world, kid and mother should decide whether dad goes to jail or gets a civil penalty.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
16. Think about the position that what put the mother in. If she is the one who makes the decision
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

to press charges then her son might blame her for jailing the only parent he has known for 13 years.

It isn't fair to place her in that position, because either she could alienate her son, or the father could be let off.

This is a serious crime with real victims. The boy grew up without a mother's love. And this woman suffered a trauma that no woman should have to endure.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. Your perfect world seems predicated on sentiment rather than justice.
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 05:15 PM
Nov 2015

Your perfect world seems predicated on sentiment rather than justice.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
20. I got arrested for kidnapping and interstate flight
Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:56 PM
Nov 2015

years ago after my kids mother took off with them to another state.I didn't call the law on her,I just went and got them and she called the law on me.

After a week in jail waiting extradition,blah,blah ....

I went back a week later with emergency custody papers and a cop and got my kids back,she ended up with 0 custody and no visitation.

Having kids will make you do some crazy shit if need be.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,852 posts)
25. Thanks for this post. I believe most people think mothers should have the kids,
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 12:58 AM
Nov 2015

but I know that is not always the case and some 'mothers' are not 'motherly.'

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. My grandson's mother never really bonded with him, and his father and I have raised him.
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:51 AM
Nov 2015

Pretty much all of his life. She does not even bother with Christmas and birthdays, and she lives about 10 minutes away.
Grandson is 20, is a great guy, and considers that his mother loves him, but is just not cut out to be a mother.

I did not have any contact with my own mother from age 6 until age 28, when my sister tracked her down. No violins or anything when I visited; she asked me if I could possibly get my bangs out of my eyes, it bothered her. She told my younger sister she had really only wanted me, to replace a baby who died at birth, and she had never wanted more children.
After she and my dad divorced, she had several children, gave them up for adoption.

My son and grandson and I are very close - and no, some women are not cut out to be mothers. None of the children my mother gave up for adoption would have been better off with her.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
30. If the mothers unfit then take it to court. Stealing the kid is one heck of an indication that the
Sun Nov 8, 2015, 02:41 AM
Nov 2015

dad is the unfit person.

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