France to decree state of emergency, shut borders: Hollande

[flamingdem]

Source: Reuters

French President Francois Hollande said a state of emergency would be declared across France and national borders shut following a spate of attacks in Paris on Friday evening in which he said dozens were killed and several wounded.

"It is horror," Hollande said in a brief statement on television, adding that a cabinet meeting had been called.

"A state of emergency will be declared," he said. "The second measure will be the closure of national borders," he added.

"We must ensure that no one comes in to commit any act whatsoever, and at the same time make sure that those who have committed these crimes should be arrested if they try to leave the country, he added.

Hollande said he had asked for military reinforcements in the Paris area to ensure that no attack can again take place.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-hollande-idUSKCN0T22QA20151114#joLjUUyWl4zjIRri.99

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Unprecedented closing of borders, nobody in or out.

[840high]

1. Good.

[flamingdem]

3. Agree though am seeing complaints that this is

anti-immigrant in some way, as in blaming immigrants.

[BarstowCowboy]

5. Exactly.

You can't stop hate with a fence.

[BarstowCowboy]

4. Another border closure?

It's sad to see yet another European country react in a xenophobic fashion by throwing up walls when they should be reaching out. Throwing up a stop sign at the border is not going to be effective against this kind of attack anymore than it would be against bad weather.

[flamingdem]

6. However this is a temporary measure and precautionary

not like what Hungary did.

[BarstowCowboy]

15. But still, what kind of a message does this send?

Even if it's temporary, what kind of message does this send to allies in the region? Their first reaction is to push other countries away when it should be to reach out. It's especially troubling because I can't help but think about the sensitivities of recent Muslim immigrants in the region.

[840high]

16. Today I don't care what message it sends. I'm

grieving for the dead in Paris.

[BarstowCowboy]

22. I'm grieving for the dead everywhere.

[flamingdem]

17. Are you really arguing that point? Where is the "push other countries away" aspect

It's a security measure.

[BarstowCowboy]

20. Yes, I'm really arguing that point

How do we even know that the alleged Muslim terrorists came from outside of France? Throwing up a border around a group of dead people won't bring them back to life. It's backwards thinking. Twenty foot anti-terrorist wall, meet twenty one foot terrorist ladder.

[flamingdem]

25. My instinct would be to do the same, it's a question of getting things under control

because it's all about the terrorist network and as you know no passport is needed to cross borders in EU countries. Thus, something so well planned may have a Part B.

[WestSeattle2]

55. You're assuming the border closure is to keep people out; I'm assuming the closure

is to keep any perps still alive from leaving.

[christx30]

71. Last I heard there were still terrorists at large,

the ones that weren't in the concert hall attack. Three gunmen here killed one captured.
Once he starts talking, he's going to tell them how long his group has been there, and how they got in. If they are natives that got radicalized one day, that's one thing. If he's been there a couple of months and snuck in with the rest of the refugees, that's a whole other kettle of fish. Then the question becomes "How many other groups are there in France? What about other countries? Is Germany hosting a group that's going to go off one day? What about Sweden?"
Being welcoming and friendly right now is the wrong move. Protecting French citizens and peaceful refugees is paramount.

[leftynyc]

19. Perhaps they're trying to keep the

Terrorists from getting OUT.

[flamingdem]

28. This ^^^^ because they have to know who they are and stop another attack nt

[leftynyc]

33. It's the same reason

The airports are OPEN. Security will be masive and nobody will be leaving that shouldn't be...even if that means stopping anyone they deem suspicious.

[flamingdem]

34. Just read that the police captured one of them

Let's hope he feels compelled to tell the story of who they are, could be Isis, could be Al Queda so says Richard Engel.

[leftynyc]

35. VERY good news

Re capture. Hope he/she starts singing soon. Do we know it was definitely a man or just playing the odds.

[flamingdem]

45. Can't find it again but it was something like four attackers and they killed 3

but that might have been incorrect since I can't find any mention of it, darn.

[leftynyc]

48. No problem

Latest breaking news is very chaotic.

[flamingdem]

49. Newest is that the cafe attackers are still at large

so it's not over.

[leftynyc]

53. And that's why you

Close the borders. I'd be terrified if I were in Paris tonight.

[BarstowCowboy]

61. Closing the borders could lead to more bloodshed

Have you ever heard about a cornered animal and how fiercely they can fight?

[leftynyc]

62. That's what the police

And the military are trained for. You don't let them get away to do this someplace else.

[WestSeattle2]

69. So you're proposing that they be allowed to leave France to inflict their carnage

on neighboring countries? Really?

[philosslayer]

54. But likely he'll refuse to talk

[leftynyc]

56. Maybe

Or will want to get the message out. It nobody knows why you did it..what's the point.

[philosslayer]

57. I really don't think it's any secret why they did it

Do you? and if he feels compelled to discuss the "why", then he will. But if anything else is coming, you won't hear it from him.

[leftynyc]

58. The 9/11 guys

They arrested WANTED to sing like birds. They all had something to say about the why. But I agree that he won't talk about any other plans.

[BarstowCowboy]

66. Well hip hip hooray for the police state!

[leftynyc]

68. Spare me

Just let them go someplace else to kill some more. That would be pathetically cowardly. Catch the motherfuckers and bring them to justice.

[Purveyor]

77. Rarely happens but on this one I wholeheartedly agree

with you.

[proud patriot]

73. that's what I'm asking myself

[840high]

9. BS

[BarstowCowboy]

18. Time will tell.

Time will prove this is not an effective strategy. Being anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant hasn't done France any good up to this point, but hey, why not double down and throw up a stop sign at the border, right?

[7962]

26. France is hardly anti immigrant and anti muslim.

[BarstowCowboy]

36. Plenty of Muslims seem to feel different

Two words: Burqa ban

[7962]

38. Yeah, thats a real ball-buster

[secondvariety]

70. "Burqa ban".

Two words: boo hoo.

[christx30]

72. Four words: Tossing gays off towers.

Two words: Beheading Christians. Five more words: Hanging rape victims for adultery.

[riderinthestorm]

75. Uhm most French Muslims support the burqa ban

Although critics accused Sarkozy of courting the far-right with his anti-burqa comments, polls show more than 80 percent of voters support the ban.

Many mainstream Muslim leaders in France, while they opposed the law because it targets Muslim women, nevertheless are no fans themselves of the full-face veil and discourage women from wearing it. They recognize the barrier it poses to Muslim assimilation in French society and the fear of Muslims it stirs in the broader population. They also insist that there is no Quranic requirement for women to cover their face. Indeed, wearing the niqab is a practice contested within Islam. The late grand sheikh of al-Azhar in Cairo, Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, described the niqab as a "cultural tradition that had nothing to do with Islam." By most counts, of the 5 to 6 million Muslims living in France, fewer than two thousand women wear the full veil. (An August 2009 French intelligence report estimated the number to be under four hundred.) According to Ministry of Interior estimates, a quarter of women wearing the face cover in France are converts to Islam born into non-Muslim families.

http://www.cfr.org/france/why-does-france-want-ban-burqas/p22628

[awoke_in_2003]

78. "Two words: Burqa ban"

If they don't want to assimilate, maybe they should go back to their country, instead of making another country a shithole like they left. Oh, and this border closing is temporary. Would you just let these thugs escape? Judging so far, you probably would.

[Codeine]

80. After this I should imagine burqa bans

will seem tame indeed. Islamists are about to see an end to having their bullshit tolerated by the world's greatest secular nation.

[Yo_Mama]

37. France isn't anti-immigrant or anti-Muslim. It's only anti-violence.

I just don't know where you getting this.

[Feeling the Bern]

74. How many people need to die before people realize you can't reach out to the likes of ISIS,

Boko Haram, Hezbollah, Hamas and the rest of those scum sucking mass murderers?

The only things they understand is violence. . .time to give it to them, full blast!

I live in Kuala Lumpur and the Muslims here are completely sickened by the "animals" and "mongrels" in the Middle East. As the Imam in Petaling Jaya told me when we went for coffee: "Don't confuse those pigs with real Muslims." When I asked why this isn't said publicly, he, first, gave me conspiracy theory (because it doesn't fit into the Western narrative as to what a Muslim is) and then the real answer (the animals control people through fear).

I am not a religious person. I am Jewish and a Jew and a Muslim sat in a coffee shop in Petaling Jaya. He said his prayer of mourning. I said the Mourner's Kaddish and he is one of the best men I have ever known.

With that said, when I asked if it is time for the world to step up, he said "It is a muslim problem. Muslims need to do it." Without knowing American idioms, he basically told me Muslims need to do some house-cleaning internally.

[bravenak]

59. I agree.nt

[BarstowCowboy]

2. I just hope that this doesn't cause a backlash at peaceful Muslims

For some reason drudgereport called this a Muslim attack, but nothing in the reporting has mentioned any religious extremism. It's typical for him to jump to that conclusions, I hope it's not a sign that Muslims will be discriminated against in the wake of this crime.

[christx30]

7. Reports I read here

the gunmen were screaming "allahu ackbar". Pretty much known that this is a Islamist attack.

[BarstowCowboy]

8. ...unless it's a false flag attack by neo-nazis pretending to be so-called islamists n/t

[840high]

11. I doubt it.

[christx30]

12. You think Neo-Nazis killed 118 people just to turn public

sentiment against refugees? And then allowed themselves to be killed? You think any neo-Nazi is going to be that committed to the cause? Martyrdom isn't their cup of tea. But I know another group that does a lot of martyrdom. Can you guess which one that is?

[BarstowCowboy]

23. If they did then I'd say that they were very successful.

All I'm really saying is that we don't know yet who it was, but the finger is already being predictably pointed at the Muslim community. I for one wish that we'd stop identifying killers by their beliefs about what happens after you die.

[Throd]

30. That is how they identify themselves. That is why they murder innocent people.

[BarstowCowboy]

39. The KKK has identified itself as a Christian organization

...and yet you don't hear them referred to as Christian terrorists do you? And you don't hear Christianity being cited as the cause of KKK related crimes, do you? It's a double standard.

[Throd]

51. Spare me your relativist bullshit.

[EL34x4]

52. What KKK-related crimes?

What decade are you living in?

The KKK might have 6,000 members tops, mostly redneck trailer-trash and federal informants.. Are they even on police radar these days?

Newsflash: It's not 1924 anymore. The KKK is a non-entity.

[BarstowCowboy]

64. Denying that the KKK is a problem IS the problem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ku_Klux_Klan_crimes

[EL34x4]

65. Looks like a bunch of crimes

That took place more than 50 years ago.

Granted, I didn't click on all the links.

[christx30]

60. You're actually kind of right

in this regard. The Islamists we are dealing with are the Klan of Islam. They are just a hell of a lot more vicious than the KKK here, and financed by certain oil rich families.
The KKK here is financed by whatever Jethro can pull down at the Piggly Wiggly.

[snagglepuss]

79. They self identify as Jihadists, as Islamic warriors doing their deity's bidding.

They make no secret of the fact they are Muslims, Muslims who want to impose their laws on everyone.


Sheesh

[flygal]

13. I doubt the neo-nazis can pull this off

at least in Germany the ones I saw demonstrate were pretty feeble.

[Throd]

14. Yep, that's the ticket.

[BarstowCowboy]

40. See comment 12

Please see comment 12

[7962]

31. Holy shit ANOTHER "false flag" comment?

You need to go to InfoWars and peddle that shit just like the guy before you

[BarstowCowboy]

42. Please see comment 12

Please see comment 12.

[7962]

46. And? He's right. Islamists are the enemy. They even tell us so.

[EL34x4]

41. You've got to be f**king kidding.

Neo-Nazis? Really?

Maybe it was the Klan? Or Spanish Inquisitors? Mormons? All shouting Allahu Akbar trying to make ISIS look bad.

[BarstowCowboy]

43. See comment 12

Please see comment 12.

[Reter]

76. Comment 12 calls you out

Not sure if you mean another comment number?

[Codeine]

81. Fuck all this "false flag" bullshit.

It's goddamned indecent. You should be ashamed, but you clearly lack the capacity for shame.

[840high]

10. Yes

[BarstowCowboy]

27. Not according to the report I read on CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

• French radio reporter Julien Pearce was inside the Bataclan theater when gunmen entered. Two men dressed in black started shooting what he described as AK-47s, and after wounded people fell to the floor, the two gunmen shot them again, execution-style, he said. The two men didn't wear masks and didn't say anything. The gunfire lasted 10 to 15 minutes, sending the crowd inside the small concert hall into a screaming panic, said Pearce, who escaped. He said he saw 20 to 25 bodies lying on the floor

[christx30]

50. Yahoo report disagrees.

http://news.yahoo.com/attacker-paris-concert-hall-shouted-allahu-akbar-fired-234758169.html

[nsd]

21. Closing the borders ...

Closing the borders and restricting travel are probably as much about preventing the perpetrators from escaping as about keeping other terrorists out.

[restorefreedom]

24. the dems have spoken

Hillary Clinton 2016 retweeted
Martin O'Malley
2h2 hours ago
Martin O'Malley ‏@MartinOMalley
Heartbreaking news from Paris. Praying for the country and its people. -O'M


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Hillary Clinton 2016 retweeted
Bernie Sanders
2h2 hours ago
Bernie Sanders ‏@BernieSanders
Horrified by the attacks in Paris tonight. My thoughts are with the victims and their loved ones.


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5,298

Hillary Clinton 2016 retweeted
Bill Clinton
2h2 hours ago
Bill Clinton ‏@billclinton
My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in Paris tonight.


3,984

6,036

Hillary Clinton 2016 retweeted
Hillary Clinton
3h3 hours ago
Hillary Clinton ‏@HillaryClinton
The reports from Paris are harrowing. Praying for the city and families of the victims. -H

[flamingdem]

29. Hillary retweeted Bernie !!

[restorefreedom]

32. and martin. very nice to see them all on one page. nt

[BarstowCowboy]

44. Aww, squee!

Geez, I guess it wasn't ALL bad. After all, we got to have this warm post-mass murder moment of unity!

[flamingdem]

47. Sure nt

[BarstowCowboy]

67. I'm glad that they all agree that it's sad that killing French people in France is bad. And sad...

...and that it makes them...mad.

[Yo_Mama]

63. Belgium is raising its security measures, esp. with respect to the French border.

I got that from FAZ:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/liveblog-anschlaege-in-paris-13911859.html

Planes, trains and the French border.