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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:49 AM Nov 2015

Mass grave of 'Yazidi women executed by ISIS' found in Iraq

Source: AFP

IRBIL, Iraq: A mass grave believed to hold the remains of dozens of Yazidi women executed by ISIS was found Saturday in northern Iraq, officials said.

The grave, which has not yet been excavated, is located on the edge of the town of Sinjar, which was captured from ISIS this week in an operation led by Kurdish security forces and backed by U.S.-led airstrikes.

The area is infamous for a brutal ISIS campaign of massacres, enslavement and rape against Yazidis, a minority group whose faith the jihadis consider heretical.

The grave contains the bodies of some 78 women aged between 40 to around 80, according to younger women who had been enslaved by ISIS, witnessed the executions and later escaped, said Miyasir Hajji, a Sinjar council member. "It seems the (ISIS) terrorist members only wanted young girls to enslave," Hajji said, a reference to jihadis using women as sex slaves who can be bought and sold.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Nov-14/323046-mass-grave-of-yazidi-women-executed-by-isis-found-in-iraq.ashx

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Mass grave of 'Yazidi women executed by ISIS' found in Iraq (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 OP
Obviously those women committed atrocities against ISIS that had to be avenged. randome Nov 2015 #1
After what happened to these women, they should stop blaming ISIS.... Dr. Strange Nov 2015 #29
"executed" = raped and murdered alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #2
ISIS does not only want slaves. It's annihilating all people Hortensis Nov 2015 #3
Warped minds. I can riversedge Nov 2015 #4
Me either, Riversedge, and I'm so glad. Hortensis Nov 2015 #6
they aren't trying to win people over Marrah_G Nov 2015 #8
true---it's rule by brute force, rape, murder, beheadings, intimidation - 21st C Nazis wordpix Nov 2015 #32
And some people here are wanting to negociate with these people FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #5
Ridiculous statement. Hortensis Nov 2015 #7
Yes, Chamberlain gets a bad rap. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #10
Actually, somebody told me there are anti-nationalists Hortensis Nov 2015 #13
Such brave warriors. tabasco Nov 2015 #9
Are you calling for a massive US ground war in Iraq and Syria? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #11
Blow up notundecided Nov 2015 #14
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #21
THEIR water supply also supplies innocent people so they'll die, too wordpix Nov 2015 #33
Massive NATO operation in Iraq and Syria. tabasco Nov 2015 #19
It won't wipe them out!!! atreides1 Nov 2015 #27
We destroyed the ideeolgy of emperor worship in Japan independentpiney Nov 2015 #31
add Europe now wordpix Nov 2015 #37
So might does make right The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #12
You might feel differently if someone was attacking your neighborhood and getting closer to you. randome Nov 2015 #15
I didn't say I didn't agree with it The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #23
Right down Snow Leopard Nov 2015 #38
How do you peacefully christx30 Nov 2015 #16
Find and stop the funding. Now. Starve the beast riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #17
everyone should know the US role. Another article about US arms sales in the ME here wordpix Nov 2015 #34
Agreed. We're up to our neck there wordpix. riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #35
I don't think you do The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #24
Thank you for the framing here. ancianita Nov 2015 #30
Sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't. tabasco Nov 2015 #20
Exactly The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #25
where are you applying this "might" since ISIS is operating thruout the planet? wordpix Nov 2015 #36
Initially, their self-proclaimed "caliphate," for which they claim to be fighting tabasco Nov 2015 #39
sometimes yes qazplm Nov 2015 #22
Exactly The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #26
Calling them animals would be an insult to all animals. Beacool Nov 2015 #18
Of course this won't get a lot of attention on the left Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #28
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Obviously those women committed atrocities against ISIS that had to be avenged.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:08 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
29. After what happened to these women, they should stop blaming ISIS....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:58 PM
Nov 2015

and take a hard look at themselves.

Soon to be an article on Salon.com.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. ISIS does not only want slaves. It's annihilating all people
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:22 PM
Nov 2015

in captured territories who do not share its specific beliefs, with the exception of a few to be used as slaves.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
4. Warped minds. I can
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:42 PM
Nov 2015

not wrap my head around these actions--even with warped fundamental views--how can anyone believe that these brutal actions will win anyone over??

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Me either, Riversedge, and I'm so glad.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:09 PM
Nov 2015

I don't think they see it as about winning any one "over," though. They want to draw their own, people with viciously extremist natures who are attracted by the success of unlimited brutality. As disbelievers, the rest of us are all destined for hell-fire.

Speaking of the incomprehensible, I enjoyed your grain brain.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
8. they aren't trying to win people over
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

They believe that conversion by force or death is the answer. They have this dream to be a conquering army, like empires of the past. Rome, Huns, Moors, Persians, Brits, etc

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
32. true---it's rule by brute force, rape, murder, beheadings, intimidation - 21st C Nazis
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:04 PM
Nov 2015

The problem is, ISIL attracts all kinds of nutcases who love this stuff. Hitler's SS began with young boys/men whose fathers were killed in WWI. These kids were poor, uneducated and often turned to crime for a living---perfect police forces for Hitler. The boys found a home with the SS. I see a lot of parallels.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. Yes, Chamberlain gets a bad rap.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:37 PM
Nov 2015

He too would be aghast at the suggestion that dialogue and understanding, and laying down our arms, are how we should deal with ISIS

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Actually, somebody told me there are anti-nationalists
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:51 PM
Nov 2015

here who blame us for everything and are talking "appeasement" with an ISIS that sprang from our national loins. So it seems as if if some of those are willing to negotiate, profoundly silly as it sounds, but the delusion that ISIS even COULD be negotiated with is ridiculous. It's End Times as far as ISIS is concerned, and why would their god's true warriors negotiate with those whom their god has already consigned to the fires of hell?

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. Such brave warriors.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:21 PM
Nov 2015

Let's see how these motherfuckers do against the 82nd Airborne, 10th Mountain and 3rd Armored divisions, et al.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. Are you calling for a massive US ground war in Iraq and Syria?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 03:42 PM
Nov 2015

And Afghanistan and Libya and Lebanon and Yemen and Somalia?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. THEIR water supply also supplies innocent people so they'll die, too
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

How about spiking their water with Ecstasy. Maybe they'll start dancing and feeling each other's hair.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
19. Massive NATO operation in Iraq and Syria.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 06:49 PM
Nov 2015

Wherever else it requires to wipe out ISIS and show these fucks we're not playing nice anymore. Any further questions?

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
27. It won't wipe them out!!!
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:59 PM
Nov 2015

Just the current incarnation would be affected...but I'm afraid that ISIS would grow again!


You cannot destroy an ideology...if we could, the Nazis and the Confederacy would exist in history books, both appear to be alive and well...though not as much of a threat, yet!!

independentpiney

(1,510 posts)
31. We destroyed the ideeolgy of emperor worship in Japan
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:27 AM
Nov 2015

and Japanese aggression in Asia hasn't been much of a problem since. A similar forced cultural change in Saudi Arabia and a few pissant emirates is what's would be needed to reduce Islamic extremism to the nuisance level of modern day neo-nazis and neo-confederates. There's plenty of non-violent schools of Islamic thought they could adopt if Wahhab salafism is eradicated.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. You might feel differently if someone was attacking your neighborhood and getting closer to you.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
[/center][/font][hr]

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
23. I didn't say I didn't agree with it
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:36 PM
Nov 2015

Look at human history. Might makes right. No violence, no America. As just one of countless examples.

Outside interests draw the lines on a map that we know of as Iraq, it's never been a functioning state without a propped up dictator. One of countless examples.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
16. How do you peacefully
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:15 PM
Nov 2015

negotiate with people that show this level of single minded brutality? They won't stop until they are stopped by someone. Jordan has been killing a lot of them. We put a small dent in their recruitment thanks to a drone strike a few days ago. But they are still getting fresh bodies.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. Find and stop the funding. Now. Starve the beast
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015
These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.

...

Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

...

It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

...

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
24. I don't think you do
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:41 PM
Nov 2015

Violence is just part of life. We can't escape it.

http://www.context.org/iclib/ic07/schmoklr/

The new human freedom made striving for expansion and power possible. Such freedom, when multiplied, creates anarchy. The anarchy among civilized societies meant that the play of power in the system was uncontrollable. In an anarchic situation like that, no one can choose that the struggle for power shall cease. But there is one more element in the picture: no one is free to choose peace, but anyone can impose upon all the necessity for power. This is the lesson of the parable of the tribes.

Imagine a group of tribes living within reach of one another. If all choose the way of peace, then all may live in peace. But what if all but one choose peace, and that one is ambitious for expansion and conquest? What can happen to the others when confronted by an ambitious and potent neighbor? Perhaps one tribe is attacked and defeated, its people destroyed and its lands seized for the use of the victors. Another is defeated, but this one is not exterminated; rather, it is subjugated and transformed to serve the conqueror. A third seeking to avoid such disaster flees from the area into some inaccessible (and undesirable) place, and its former homeland becomes part of the growing empire of the power-seeking tribe. Let us suppose that others observing these developments decide to defend themselves in order to preserve themselves and their autonomy. But the irony is that successful defense against a power-maximizing aggressor requires a society to become more like the society that threatens it. Power can be stopped only by power, and if the threatening society has discovered ways to magnify its power through innovations in organization or technology (or whatever), the defensive society will have to transform itself into something more like its foe in order to resist the external force.

I have just outlined four possible outcomes for the threatened tribes: destruction, absorption and transformation, withdrawal, and imitation. In every one of these outcomes the ways of power are spread throughout the system. This is the parable of the tribes.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
36. where are you applying this "might" since ISIS is operating thruout the planet?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 03:12 PM
Nov 2015
Last night after the bombing, one expert pundit said that the ME terror groups are growing so large, they can't be properly monitored. So where do you propose striking first?
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
39. Initially, their self-proclaimed "caliphate," for which they claim to be fighting
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015

and which has served as a safe haven for them. Thereafter, scaled operations any place in the world that harbors them.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
18. Calling them animals would be an insult to all animals.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

These people are monsters without a conscience. Disgusting........



May the women rest in peace.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. Of course this won't get a lot of attention on the left
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:57 PM
Nov 2015

because it doesn't fit the narrative of "If we just stop military action in the middle east and leave ISIS alone, everything will be calm and peaceful..."

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