Mass grave of 'Yazidi women executed by ISIS' found in Iraq
Source: AFP
IRBIL, Iraq: A mass grave believed to hold the remains of dozens of Yazidi women executed by ISIS was found Saturday in northern Iraq, officials said.
The grave, which has not yet been excavated, is located on the edge of the town of Sinjar, which was captured from ISIS this week in an operation led by Kurdish security forces and backed by U.S.-led airstrikes.
The area is infamous for a brutal ISIS campaign of massacres, enslavement and rape against Yazidis, a minority group whose faith the jihadis consider heretical.
The grave contains the bodies of some 78 women aged between 40 to around 80, according to younger women who had been enslaved by ISIS, witnessed the executions and later escaped, said Miyasir Hajji, a Sinjar council member. "It seems the (ISIS) terrorist members only wanted young girls to enslave," Hajji said, a reference to jihadis using women as sex slaves who can be bought and sold.
Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Nov-14/323046-mass-grave-of-yazidi-women-executed-by-isis-found-in-iraq.ashx
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)and take a hard look at themselves.
Soon to be an article on Salon.com.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Let's be very clear about what ISIS does.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in captured territories who do not share its specific beliefs, with the exception of a few to be used as slaves.
riversedge
(70,239 posts)not wrap my head around these actions--even with warped fundamental views--how can anyone believe that these brutal actions will win anyone over??
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I don't think they see it as about winning any one "over," though. They want to draw their own, people with viciously extremist natures who are attracted by the success of unlimited brutality. As disbelievers, the rest of us are all destined for hell-fire.
Speaking of the incomprehensible, I enjoyed your grain brain.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)They believe that conversion by force or death is the answer. They have this dream to be a conquering army, like empires of the past. Rome, Huns, Moors, Persians, Brits, etc
wordpix
(18,652 posts)The problem is, ISIL attracts all kinds of nutcases who love this stuff. Hitler's SS began with young boys/men whose fathers were killed in WWI. These kids were poor, uneducated and often turned to crime for a living---perfect police forces for Hitler. The boys found a home with the SS. I see a lot of parallels.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Chamberlain would be proud of them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He too would be aghast at the suggestion that dialogue and understanding, and laying down our arms, are how we should deal with ISIS
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)here who blame us for everything and are talking "appeasement" with an ISIS that sprang from our national loins. So it seems as if if some of those are willing to negotiate, profoundly silly as it sounds, but the delusion that ISIS even COULD be negotiated with is ridiculous. It's End Times as far as ISIS is concerned, and why would their god's true warriors negotiate with those whom their god has already consigned to the fires of hell?
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Let's see how these motherfuckers do against the 82nd Airborne, 10th Mountain and 3rd Armored divisions, et al.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And Afghanistan and Libya and Lebanon and Yemen and Somalia?
notundecided
(196 posts)Their water supply. Can 't live without water: don't need massive invasion.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)How about spiking their water with Ecstasy. Maybe they'll start dancing and feeling each other's hair.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Wherever else it requires to wipe out ISIS and show these fucks we're not playing nice anymore. Any further questions?
atreides1
(16,079 posts)Just the current incarnation would be affected...but I'm afraid that ISIS would grow again!
You cannot destroy an ideology...if we could, the Nazis and the Confederacy would exist in history books, both appear to be alive and well...though not as much of a threat, yet!!
independentpiney
(1,510 posts)and Japanese aggression in Asia hasn't been much of a problem since. A similar forced cultural change in Saudi Arabia and a few pissant emirates is what's would be needed to reduce Islamic extremism to the nuisance level of modern day neo-nazis and neo-confederates. There's plenty of non-violent schools of Islamic thought they could adopt if Wahhab salafism is eradicated.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Looking at human history, I'd say that's basically the case.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Look at human history. Might makes right. No violence, no America. As just one of countless examples.
Outside interests draw the lines on a map that we know of as Iraq, it's never been a functioning state without a propped up dictator. One of countless examples.
Snow Leopard
(348 posts)To the simplest organisms this is true. It's life.
christx30
(6,241 posts)negotiate with people that show this level of single minded brutality? They won't stop until they are stopped by someone. Jordan has been killing a lot of them. We put a small dent in their recruitment thanks to a drone strike a few days ago. But they are still getting fresh bodies.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)...
Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.
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It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.
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It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Thanks for the link
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Violence is just part of life. We can't escape it.
http://www.context.org/iclib/ic07/schmoklr/
The new human freedom made striving for expansion and power possible. Such freedom, when multiplied, creates anarchy. The anarchy among civilized societies meant that the play of power in the system was uncontrollable. In an anarchic situation like that, no one can choose that the struggle for power shall cease. But there is one more element in the picture: no one is free to choose peace, but anyone can impose upon all the necessity for power. This is the lesson of the parable of the tribes.
Imagine a group of tribes living within reach of one another. If all choose the way of peace, then all may live in peace. But what if all but one choose peace, and that one is ambitious for expansion and conquest? What can happen to the others when confronted by an ambitious and potent neighbor? Perhaps one tribe is attacked and defeated, its people destroyed and its lands seized for the use of the victors. Another is defeated, but this one is not exterminated; rather, it is subjugated and transformed to serve the conqueror. A third seeking to avoid such disaster flees from the area into some inaccessible (and undesirable) place, and its former homeland becomes part of the growing empire of the power-seeking tribe. Let us suppose that others observing these developments decide to defend themselves in order to preserve themselves and their autonomy. But the irony is that successful defense against a power-maximizing aggressor requires a society to become more like the society that threatens it. Power can be stopped only by power, and if the threatening society has discovered ways to magnify its power through innovations in organization or technology (or whatever), the defensive society will have to transform itself into something more like its foe in order to resist the external force.
I have just outlined four possible outcomes for the threatened tribes: destruction, absorption and transformation, withdrawal, and imitation. In every one of these outcomes the ways of power are spread throughout the system. This is the parable of the tribes.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'd say might used to destroy ISIS would be right.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)It's all about context.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)and which has served as a safe haven for them. Thereafter, scaled operations any place in the world that harbors them.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)sometimes no. Depends. In this case, yes.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Life is subjective.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)These people are monsters without a conscience. Disgusting........
May the women rest in peace.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)because it doesn't fit the narrative of "If we just stop military action in the middle east and leave ISIS alone, everything will be calm and peaceful..."