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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:28 PM Nov 2015

Pope Francis Calls Paris Attack a Part of ‘Piecemeal World War III’

Source: Mediaite

Pope Francis addressed the Paris terrorist attack in a brief interview today, calling it a piece of World War III.

The pope spoke to TV2000, an Italian broadcast network, and said that he is “moved and saddened” by the killings of innocents. He said he would pray for the families of the victims.

When asked about his previous remarks about a “piecemeal World War III,” Pope Francis said, “This is one piece. There is no justification for these things… This is not human.”

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/pope-francis-calls-paris-attack-a-part-of-piecemeal-world-war-iii/



Like I said yesterday. We've been in WW3 for a while now.
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Pope Francis Calls Paris Attack a Part of ‘Piecemeal World War III’ (Original Post) uhnope Nov 2015 OP
We Need The Pope To Get Behind A Movement To End "Terrorism" And Not Be A Rable Rouser..... global1 Nov 2015 #1
yes yes yes SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #3
You said exactly what I believe spiderpig Nov 2015 #9
He is a movement to end terrorism. Hortensis Nov 2015 #11
its been becoming clear restorefreedom Nov 2015 #2
Will the Vatican still be taking in their quota of two Syrian refugee's? NonMetro Nov 2015 #4
Vatican is tiny & The pope put forth the imprimatur for all Catholic dioceses to take in refugees uhnope Nov 2015 #7
I know how big this 100 acre reservation in Rome is, NonMetro Nov 2015 #19
The pope is correct. plus5mace Nov 2015 #5
So.. ananda Nov 2015 #6
<underlay music> MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 #8
It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #10
It will be interesting to see how the France tragedy is worked into this Debate appalachiablue Nov 2015 #12
Yes - Agreed cantbeserious Nov 2015 #13
The candidate who will find the funding sources and vows to cut them off riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #14
Thanks. A powerful, decisive article on truth that only Pierce can write. The proportions appalachiablue Nov 2015 #16
Just spoke with a HRC supporter who thinks this message is too complicated riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #17
I agree. MBS Nov 2015 #15
Pretty apt description. Beacool Nov 2015 #18
because when it really comes down to it religious extremist are cowards rockfordfile Nov 2015 #20

global1

(25,251 posts)
1. We Need The Pope To Get Behind A Movement To End "Terrorism" And Not Be A Rable Rouser.....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:30 PM
Nov 2015

for a world war.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
3. yes yes yes
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:36 PM
Nov 2015

Europe was at war for hundreds of years -two really big ones - the middle east has that to look forward to. The spillover will not be pleasant but it is for them to come to terms with.

We lost our chance at peace when we elected raygun and turned away for encouraging third world development.

The blind support for Israel has just inflamed the situation.

Bottom line - bush opened Pandora's box - forces are at work that cannot be managed.
We can not impose rational solutions in this situation - the flames of crazy will have to burn themselves out.

So very sad.

History will have to run it's course.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
7. Vatican is tiny & The pope put forth the imprimatur for all Catholic dioceses to take in refugees
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:23 PM
Nov 2015

the Pope cannot dictate to country's governments though

NonMetro

(631 posts)
19. I know how big this 100 acre reservation in Rome is,
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:04 PM
Nov 2015

But I was referring to what he said when he was here - that they could make room for one or two refugees.

ananda

(28,865 posts)
6. So..
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

It appears that history is now beyond our control.. if it ever could have
been in our control. Sigh.

Pope Francis is calling the Paris attacks a part of a piecemeal World War III. Hollande is calling the attacks an act of war. The USA has droned two major ISIS leaders, Jehadi John and another today in Libya.

It appears to me that this has a likely probably of escalating into a fullscale war. The Bush action of 2003 against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 has a long reach. Back then it was a question of "qui bono" and I suspect that question is still a major factor in all the stupidity and crass greed that has led us to this horrible pass.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
12. It will be interesting to see how the France tragedy is worked into this Debate
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

and the way Hillary responds in terms of foreign policy and military options. Actually, I rather dread this topic for tonight.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
14. The candidate who will find the funding sources and vows to cut them off
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:15 PM
Nov 2015

will be the candidate who really means to shut down ISIS. Starve the beast!

From Charles Pierce...

These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.

...

Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

...

It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

...

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.


http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
16. Thanks. A powerful, decisive article on truth that only Pierce can write. The proportions
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:51 PM
Nov 2015

of this malady are staggering and will require the best of human endeavor to dare tread.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. Just spoke with a HRC supporter who thinks this message is too complicated
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:56 PM
Nov 2015

Its not.

The candidate simply has to say, "I vow to find the funding sources for ISIS and cut them off. No money and ISIS withers". Everyone can understand that.

Specifics on how to do that too complicated? Nope.

"I'll create an international criminal investigation with our Five Eyes partners (or the UN for even more simplicity), to locate and shut down the money spigot flowing to ISIS".

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. I agree.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:16 PM
Nov 2015

I've been to a couple of talks lately about the run-up to WWII (not to mention having grown up hearing stories from my parents who watched the developments in Europe up close and personal), and I see many frighteningly similar parallels.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
18. Pretty apt description.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 05:30 PM
Nov 2015

A piecemeal war where "soft" targets are attacked to inflict maximum deaths and to shake the sense of security of a nation. We've seen it in NY, DC, Spain, Britain, Russia and now in France. These cowards, because that's what they are IMO, attack defenseless civilians to shake the foundation of nations. If they were so brave, why don't they face an enemy force in a battlefield? Instead, they kill children, women and any civilian in their path. Sickening.....



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