Paris terror: Muslim leaders around the world condemn 'heinous' attacks

[Turborama]

Source: The Independent

Muslim leaders around the world have condemned the Paris attacks that left 127 people dead and as many as 80 people fighting for their lives in critical conditions.

Many of the denunciations came before Isis released a statement claiming responsibility for the attacks that have devastated the French capital and left many reeling.

Iran’s president Hassan Rouhani condemned the attacks, calling them a “crime against humanity” and said he would postpone his plan to visit France as part of a wider European trip this weekend.

The foreign minister for Qatar, Khaled al-Attiyah, labelled the atrocities “heinous”.

Joko Widodo, the leader of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country, said his nation “condemns the violence that took place in Paris.”

Kuwaiti Emir Sheikh Sabah al-Sabah said the “criminal acts of terrorism” run “counter to all teachings of holy faith and humanitarian values.”

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/paris-terror-muslim-leaders-around-the-world-condemn-heinous-attacks-a6734711.html

[earthside]

1. Not good enough.

Islam needs a reformation ... the religion needs desperately to have leaders with courage to emerge and find a liberal interpretation of the theology.

It is too easy to condemn an atrocity after the fact; it takes bravery and vision to lead.

[Delver Rootnose]

2. I won't believe any ...

Of thier protestations until countries like Saudi Arabia stop funding the terrorists.

And before you say it. I also do not believe my country, the United States, really gives a shit either since we also pay for and do quite a lot of blowing people up in the world and meddling in regime change to benifiet ourselves.

[skepticscott]

5. Agreed...when these leaders use their influence

to stop the flow of money, weapons and political support and protection to groups like ISIS, then they'll deserve some notice. Until then, they are abetters and facilitators who are just trying to deflect blame from themselves and their religion, but are perfectly happy to see this sort of thing go on in its name.

[heaven05]

7. +100000

[trillion]

21. the US pretty much is the winner. Sadly ISIS is trying to catch up.

[romanic]

3. Agreed

Islam needs to address the whole Sunni vs Shia rivalry that's crippling its followers. Only then will a more peaceful and secular ME will follow. If not then war will never end and Islam will be vilified to nonexistence.

[polly7]

4. Pre Iraq invasion Shia and Sunni lived amongst themselves peacefully

as neighbours and citizens in many places in Iraq. They worked together, married one another ... they did not hate.

I don't know if you've read of the Riverbend Blog Girl, a young Iraqi blogger who described from the first days what it was like and their heartbreak at what was being done to them. The hatred and divisiveness created was ... and is, tragic.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com.au/2003_08_01_archive.html

[olegramps]

10. What are they actually doing to challenge it.

Just where do they stand on religious liberty? Do they in reality agree that their religion is superior and should be imposed on all mankind and that secular governments are evil. Where Muslims are in control of government they have imposed Islam on their entire population and go to the extent of punishing anyone who does not bend to their will. The problem is that they will have to undertake a major editing of the Koran which the extremists use to justify their jihad.

[Turborama]

15. The largest Muslim majority country in the world disagrees...

[MowCowWhoHow III]

23. Religious violence flares in Indonesia as mob torches Aceh church

Religious violence flares in Indonesia as mob torches Aceh church

Indonesia is struggling to live up to its national motto “unity in diversity” after a mob attack on a church left one dead and the authorities responded by demolishing more churches.

The attack took place in the conservative province of Aceh, the only region in Indonesia that has sharia law and where religious tension has been brewing for months.

A mob wielding sharp weapons torched the small Protestant church in the district of Aceh Singkil last week, saying it lacked an official permit. One Muslim vigilante was shot dead in the attack, while thousands of Christians fled to a neighbouring province.

Bishop Elson Lingga visited Aceh Singkil the day after the attack and said there was a deep sense of unease in the villages. “After the event everyone is suspicious of each other, thinking, ‘Are they the ones that reported us?’ They are afraid of their Muslim neighbours,” he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/23/religious-violence-flares-in-indonesia-as-mob-torches-aceh-church

Muslim milit
ants' burning of churches, persecution of Christians in Indonesia spurred by imams' jihad order

Indonesian imams have ordered jihad against Christians living in the Aceh region, giving Muslim militants the mandate to attack and burn churches and driving away many members of minority groups to bordering provinces, according to a report.

Gatestone Institute's report titled "The Indonesia Jihad on Christian Churches'' said violence in the Sharia-law governed region began in October with Islamic leaders calling on Muslims to torch area churches, Fox News said.

"We will not stop hunting Christians and burning churches. Christians are Allah's enemies," one Islamic leader said, according to the report.

Indonesia, where about 90 percent of its 250 million people are Muslim, was once seen as an example that a large Muslim majority can live in relative peace alongside Christian and Hindu minority groups.

At the heart of the Indonesian city of Manado, for example, stands a 153-foot statue of an open-armed Jesus, an odd sight in a region under siege by Muslim mobs.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/muslim.militants.burning.of.churches.persecution.of.christians.in.indonesia.spurred.by.imams.jihad.order/70601.htm

[Turborama]

24. Where Muslims are in control of government they have imposed Islam on their entire population and go

.... to the extent of punishing anyone who does not bend to their will.

^^ This ^^ is what I was referring to.

[olegramps]

25. What is meant by "Traditional Islam" and "Modernist Islam"?

Just how does each interpret the Koran?

[trillion]

16. Gross ignorance. And dispicable on DU. The vast majority of Muslim churches are peaceful and are

not responsible for this attack and can no more stop more attacks than Christian churches can stop their members killing abortion doctors. The Muslim churches are doing what they can and should, calling for peace. These peaceful churches are not the attackers. What are you going to come up with next, all Christan churches should take the blame for Extreme right haters because they're all responsible for it and all should have a reformation to stop those extremists? Thats the same blanket statement ignorance in your post.

[rockfordfile]

34. I agree and there seems to be a lot of right wingers on DU

The racism towards Muslims is a republican trait and talking point. As for religion, I don't like any religion. I'm a atheist.

[trillion]

22. Here's a cool post on DU right now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027349004

[jberryhill]

26. Yeah, just like Protestants and Catholics reformed their religions in Northern Ireland

[heaven05]

6. Jihad is a major tenet

of the Islamic religion. Right? What's to be expected? I agree with another poster here, REFORMATION of this religion is necessary to stop this violence and carnage.

[earthside]

11. My Muslim friends have integrated ...

... into American culture.

So, change is possible and my friends are liberal and tolerant; they have modified their religion to our more democratic and secular way-of life.

Reformation of Islam is possible, in my opinion. But as someone else in this thread put it just issuing the same "tut-tut" outrage is not going to cut it anymore.

Most of us are liberals and progressives here -- we believe in change and progress!

By the way, I also think the crux of this problem with Islam is Saudi Arabia. The extreme right-wing, fascistic ruling family in that kingdom is what holds the hardline against reformation and what finances the terrorists. The Saudis are playing a game with us and we are letting them get away with it; until that stops, I suspect we will be in for a lot more of this horrific violence.

[heaven05]

13. I agree, yet

until we cut our dependence on their oil, nothing will change in that arena. I just remember how close some of america's ruling elites are to their profit gained from their close relationship with those very same Saudi hardliners.

[trillion]

19. The vast majority of muslims are tolerant. There is an extreme rigth segment that is intolerant.

There is an extreme right that is deadly and intolerant in every country including the US - ours are called tea partiers and white supremists. The muslims don't need a reformation - those that want to be reformed came around just like the Christians did in most cases. Of course there are ignorant people who will attack an entire people and religion for what extremists do in blanket statement ignorance. All the Muslim chuches can do is keep insisting on peace from their members and put up with the likes of you. I think you're the one who should look into having a reformation. These clerics in this article are already enlightened. What next, the entire left are socialists who want to force everyone into being gay? I expect the ignorant blanket statements to come from the right, not the left. Sad to see it here.

[trillion]

20. No, Jihad is not and the gross ignorance on this thread is disturbing. For the extreme right

jihad would be a tenant, for the vast majority of muslims jihad is anti-muslim. They've progressed like most of the Christian churches where God is love and not hate and hurting anyone is against their religion. The Christians have the same problem - a large amount of extreme right Christians that are anything but Christian. It's really despicable to see posts like yours on what should be an informed site.

[Turborama]

8. All the cries of "Where's the Muslim outrage?" come to nothing when there is.

Sad to see so much prejudice in this thread.

[NonMetro]

12. You got that right!

On another thread in here, it took less than one day for someone to drag out the crusades, "genocide" of native Americans, Slavery, and a whole litany of other "Christianity inspired" atrocities hundreds of years ago, and in the same breath chastising readers against associating Islam with what happened in Paris just because the gunmen yelled "Alluha Akbar" as they were murdering innocent people. That's not "real" Islam - you know - that's a "peaceful" religion of love - but all these other atrocities....well, well!.... That's the real Christianity!

A bunch of Islamic fanatic's murder a bunch of innocent people in Paris, and we get lectured about what hypocrites and how prejudiced we are against them!

[Turborama]

14. Obviously there's a lack of knowledge about the anti-extremism work being carried out in Indonesia

The largest Muslim majority country in the world, who's president you mock.

Indonesia's Religious Affairs Minister Calls On Islamic Organizations, Figures to Battle ISIS: http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2014/08/10/055598460/Minister-Calls-On-Islamic-Organizations-Figures-to-Battle-ISIS

Indonesian Muslims Denounce ISIS Ideology: http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/indonesian-muslims-denounce-isis-ideology/

Joko to Push for More Counterterrorism Cooperation at G-20 Summit: http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/joko-push-counterterrorism-cooperation-g-20-summit/

Singapore, Indonesia step up cooperation against IS: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/07/28/singapore-indonesia-step-cooperation-against-is.html




Lastly, a very important read that gives an insight not covered in the MSM:

What I Discovered From Interviewing Imprisoned ISIS Fighters
They’re drawn to the movement for reasons that have little to do with belief in extremist Islam.

Many assume that these fighters are motivated by a belief in the Islamic State, a caliphate ruled by a caliph…; that fighters all over the world are flocking to the area for a chance to fight for this dream. But this just doesn’t hold for the prisoners we are interviewing. They are woefully ignorant about Islam and have difficulty answering questions about Sharia law, militant jihad, and the caliphate.

He knows there is an American in the room, and can perhaps guess, from his demeanor and his questions, that this American is ex-military, and directs his "question," in the form of an enraged statement, straight at him. "The Americans came," he said. “They took away Saddam, but they also took away our security. I didn’t like Saddam, we were starving then, but at least we didn’t have war. When you came here, the civil war started."

…This whole experience has been very familiar indeed to Doug Stone, the American general on the receiving end of this diatribe. "He fits the absolutely typical profile," Stone said afterward. …(It is) exactly the same profile as 80 percent of the prisoners then…and his number-one complaint about the security and against all American forces was the exact same complaint from every single detainee."

…These boys came of age under the disastrous American occupation after 2003, in the chaotic and violent Arab part of Iraq, ruled by the viciously sectarian Shia government of Nouri al-Maliki. …They are children of the occupation, many with missing fathers at crucial periods (through jail, death from execution, or fighting in the insurgency), filled with rage against America and their own government. They are not fueled by the idea of an Islamic caliphate without borders; rather, ISIS is the first group since the crushed Al Qaeda to offer these humiliated and enraged young men a way to defend their dignity, family, and tribe. This is … the promise of a way out of their insecure and undignified lives; the promise of living in pride as Iraqi Sunni Arabs, which is not just a religious identity but cultural, tribal, and land-based, too.

Full article: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/

So, yeah, there is a lot of reactionary prejudice in response to the condemnations in the OP. To be fair, though, it could just be ignorance, which can be fixed with knowledge.

[trillion]

17. [phone] its racism and inorance on this thread.

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And, I have to leave again because I can't handle it. Sickening on what should be an enlightened site.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Religion does not create a group like ISIS, hate creates a group like ISIS, they are a bunch of thug

hating who live on hate and violence. They blame Islam, again driving up hate for Islam, trying to incite violence towards Muslim. They don't care about the religion.

[maxsolomon]

29. Did you watch Frontline last night?

"Isis in Afghanistan". Pretty much all the Isis fighters talked about was Islam. And killing the slaves of Crusaders.

[Thinkingabout]

30. I can talk about religion, does not make me Muslim, this group also talks about violence, not only

do they talk about violence they act on violence.

[maxsolomon]

31. No True Scotsman, then?

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

[Thinkingabout]

32. WOW, I guess there is not a need to look at the violence this group inflicts on others.

[maxsolomon]

33. we're talking past each other

the violence is obviously why they must be defeated. if they were fundy pacifists like the amish we wouldn't be having a discussion at all.

they say they're muslim, they're muslim. I take them at their word.

[closeupready]

28. Most importantly, though, did they say ISIS or Daesh?

And was it in Arabic, French, or Chechnyan?