Dayton: Calls by state governors to bar Syrian refugees are 'ludicrous'

[azurnoir]

Source: strib

Gov. Mark Dayton decried what he called political posturing of state governors who said they will prevent Syrian refugees from entering their state.

"I think it's showmanship on the part of the governors," Dayton told reporters.

He added: "I want to protect the people of Minnesota every bit as much those governors want to protect the people of their states. To stand up there with swagger, and say 'I'm going to prevent the wrong people from entering my state' to me is just ludicrous."

Dayton on Monday said he had no plans to bar Syrian refugees from entering Minnesota, as the U.S. prepares to accept 10,000 refugees in the coming months.

Read more: http://www.startribune.com/dayton-calls-by-state-governors-to-bar-syrian-refugees-are-ludicrous/3511

[leftynyc]

1. This story is going to

make that argument much harder to make:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620249/Eight-arrested-Istanbul-airport-amid-ISIS-fears

DU thread about it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1263632

[azurnoir]

2. Nope it won't

[leftynyc]

6. Yes it will

You seem to think the governor letting someone in is the end of the story. It's only the beginning. The money has to be set aside to house and feed them, then schools have to admit them. All the while you have those who will set fire to any hotel/apartment/home that they live in. And if even 1 turns to terrorism, the whole thing blows up. This story just gives them more ammunition. DHS isn't going to go pc just so people don't call them haters. Their job is to protect us, not people fleeing violence.

[azurnoir]

8. Minnesota schools will not refuse to admit Syrian students

but do keep hoping

[leftynyc]

11. Just stop your bullshit

You are unable to make me feel bad for the way I feel. You want to pretend there is no problem at all with Islam today, knock yourself out but reality will continue to smack you in the face. You're just another who wants to close their eyes to reality, refuse to admit what's right in front of you and worst of all, continue to lose elections because being pc is so much more important. Fuck that.

[azurnoir]

14. I have no wish to change you in any way shape or form

[leftynyc]

17. Good to know you

have no interest in wasting your time.

[jwirr]

23. I am a Minnesotan and we already have many Muslim

refugees in the state. Not all areas of this country are the same.

Plus if we do this refugee plan in the same way that we did the Vietnam refugees or the Cuban refugees we will join in with churches to help settle them into the communities.

My tiny little church in rural Iowa took two men during the Cuban refugee event. The only real mistake we made was that if we had it to do again we would take women and children instead of men.

Another church in town took two families during the Vietnam event.

I got a letter from Lutheran World Relief the other day asking for help with the refugees this time. They and Lutheran Social Services are very active in many refugee camps throughout the world. And they do not just work with Christians.

[azurnoir]

3. NY Gov. Cuomo declares support for accepting Syrian refugees

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Rejecting Syrian refugees would be akin to "conceding defeat of the American dream," New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday in a sharply worded response to those urging him to keep the refugees out of the state.

Speaking at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, the Democratic governor said efforts to reduce the threat of terrorism must be balanced with America's standing as a beacon for liberty and tolerance. He said the federal government has vowed to screen the refugees for links to terrorism.

"We have to protect Americans and not lose our soul as America in the process, right? The day America says, 'Close the gates, build the wall,' then I say take down the Statue of Liberty because you've gone to a different place," he said. "I won't let them win by conceding defeat of the American Dream."

Several governors have said they won't allow Syrian refugees into their states following the coordinated attacks in Paris. In New York, Republican U.S. Rep. Chris Collins and at two Republican state lawmakers cited the threat of terrorism when they called on Cuomo to reject additional refugees from the war-torn Middle Eastern nation.

http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2015/11/ny_gov_cuomo_declares_support_for_accepting_syrian_refugees.html

[earthside]

4. U.S. response to Paris terror is a refugee debate?

What is the U.S. going to do to ramp-up the destruction of Daesh in response to the Paris terror massacre?

Are we really just going to have a political cat fight about 10,000 Syrian refugees?

Are we (the U.S.) really ceding leadership to France and Russia in the pursuit of justice and the fight against these barbarian extremists?

[oberliner]

5. Absolutely right

Syrian refugees go through an extensive vetting process before they are admitted into the United States. It is very different from the process in Europe. Those governors (and Republican presidential candidates) who are saying we need to prevent these very selectively chosen refugees from entering the US to "protect us" are completely full of crap.

[leftynyc]

9. That may very well be

but since the bed wetters still get to vote and if even one refugee turns to terror (and frankly, even if they don't) you can expect Democrats to lose more elections if it's seen as if they don't give a shit about protecting their citizens. Reality really doesn't even play a part here.

[azurnoir]

10. apparently for some of us it doesn't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141263628#post6

[leftynyc]

12. You want to pretend

the whole story is letting the refugees in, knock yourself out. The adults know better.

[azurnoir]

13. No that isn't the whole story

[leftynyc]

15. Then stop pretending it is

And stop pretending there isn't a real threat out there and that anyone that acknowledges that is a right winger and a hater. It's annoying and beyond stupid.

[azurnoir]

16. I am not pretending anything nor am I injecting subjective assumptions into posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141263628#post11

[leftynyc]

18. LOL

sure you aren't. As if people don't know passive/aggressive when they see it. Sure. Whatever.

[oberliner]

19. Then Democrats need to make their case more effectively

The fact is that we have a rigorous process, often taking upwards of a year, before we permit a refugee from Syria to enter the United States. It is nothing like what is happening in Europe. Personally, I think that refusing to help the refugees even in this minimal way is a more dangerous policy choice. If Republicans want to play these games to try to give them the appearance of "looking tough" I am hopeful that savvy Democrats can help convince even moderately informed voters that the reality does not match the hysteria. If there is a terrorist attack in the US, the Republicans will blame Obama and the Democrats regardless.

[jwirr]

25. My brother in law from Jamaica took 2 years to go through

the vetting. And not only was he subjected to questioning but all of our family was also. He had already been here for 2 years in school before they got married. He applied for citizenship and had to go back to Jamaica for the 2 years it took to vet his case.

Any refugees we take will not be let in without a similar vetting. They will not be sent back into the war zone but they will have to stay in refugee camps. When I was at the UofI there were many students who were applying for asylum and were vetted while here because they had student visas.

[jwirr]

24. Is this where you candidate stands?

[leftynyc]

26. I have no idea

and don't really care. I wouldn't be making my decision on a candidate on this issue.

[geardaddy]

7. That's my Gov.

Love him and wish he were running for a third term, but I think he's not going to run again.

[Elmergantry]

20. Perhaps then the the good governor would accept this bunch with loving arms:

http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-detains-8-europe-bound-suspects-posing-refugees-112604479.html


or:

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/11/18/greek-police-arrest-two-suspected-jihadists-in-kos-island/

According to Eleftheros Typos daily citing police sources, authorities located two Syrians on the island of Kos who might be jihadists. Upon searching the suspects’ cell phones, they found pictures of firearms, knives, an IS flag and jihadists with covered faces. In one of the pictures, a suspect is posing in front of the IS black flag. During interrogation, one suspect admitted he is against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, whom he called an enemy. However, he denied that he is an IS member. The two Syrians arrived on Tuesday morning at Kos on a dinghy along with dozens of refugees. The refugee processing staff noticed that the two men were very nervous during the registration process. The refugee processing staff notified high officials of the Hellenic Police immediately. The two men were apprehended and authorities are continuing their investigation on their origins and previous - See more at: http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/11/18/greek-police-arrest-two-suspected-jihadists-in-kos-island/#sthash.E0tVC0MS.dpuf

[azurnoir]

21. staes acceptance of Syrian refugees seems to be split along party lines

The growing list of states that will not accept Syrian refugees currently includes Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Wisconsin and Wyoming. All are lead by Republican governors.

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/16/9746456/map-syrian-refugees-governors

[jwirr]

27. I think Elizabeth Warren is correct. The Rs are posturing for

political reasons. It goes along with the hate and fear meme they push.

[oberliner]

28. No, he wouldn't

The US has a comprehensible process whereby we only accept specifically screened refugee candidates who must undergo a rigorous series of steps including many rounds of interviews before they are permitted to come to the United States. It is nothing like what happens in Europe.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. Thanks for your post!

Gov Dayton is a keeper.