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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:12 PM Nov 2015

Jeb Bush calls for use of ‘overwhelming force,’ including ground troops, against ISIS

Source: Washington Post

CHARLESTON, S.C. -- Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Wednesday called for "overwhelming force" to be used against the Islamic State terror group, including the deployment of ground troops.

"The United States should not delay in leading a global coalition to take out ISIS with overwhelming force," Bush said in a speech at The Citadel, the famous military college. "As the words of French President Hollande have made clear, the United States will not be alone in galvanizing this global effort. Militarily, we need to intensify our efforts in the air – and on the ground."

"While air power is essential, it alone cannot bring the results we seek," Bush said. "The United States – in conjunction with our NATO allies and more Arab partners – will need to increase our presence on the ground."

He said that the ultimate scope of a military response to the Islamic State "should be in line" with what military commanders recommend. He added that "the bulk of these ground troops will need to come from local forces that we have built workable relationships with."

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/18/jeb-bush-to-outline-national-security-plan-wednesday/

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Jeb Bush calls for use of ‘overwhelming force,’ including ground troops, against ISIS (Original Post) jpak Nov 2015 OP
JEB--> aka GWB riversedge Nov 2015 #1
Let the neverending wars continue! sakabatou Nov 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Nov 2015 #3
He is a neocon. madaboutharry Nov 2015 #4
Yours First!! Friend or Foe Nov 2015 #5
After you, Jebbie me boy! n/t Peregrine Took Nov 2015 #6
Ground troops worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #7
good thing he will never be prez. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #8
Yeah, looks like we'll dodge that scud. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #21
many others flying at us, though unfortunately. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #25
The blood-lust of this evil family and its followers never ceases to astonish me. lastlib Nov 2015 #9
When you are a psycopath or sociopath, it just doesn't bother you all that much. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #22
Oh Goddamn what a tool. Darb Nov 2015 #10
I'm Shocked And Awed......nt global1 Nov 2015 #11
"...local forces that we have built workable relationships with." Eugene Nov 2015 #12
Maybe "they" are imbeciles themselves. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #24
Jebbers at again. spiderpig Nov 2015 #13
He said "quagmire" underpants Nov 2015 #26
let him tell his party to vote on the force authorization then tishaLA Nov 2015 #14
thats the family standard operating procedure.nt. drray23 Nov 2015 #15
I bet they play Hank Williams' Family Tradition at all the big Bush family get togethers. tanyev Nov 2015 #23
jeb bush is just as bad his brother. rockfordfile Nov 2015 #16
Idiot rtracey Nov 2015 #17
Spoken like an original PNACr he is, and as currently advised by Wolfowitz. nt wiggs Nov 2015 #18
PNAC Signatories Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #27
Overwhelming force = overwhelming war profits! nt valerief Nov 2015 #19
yep....that's it.... dhill926 Nov 2015 #35
As the late Yogi Berra said...it's like deja vu all over again.... EndElectoral Nov 2015 #20
Yeah. The future ain't what it used to be. Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #29
Can Daesh be contained or defeated without force? maxsolomon Nov 2015 #28
Well, sure Turbineguy Nov 2015 #30
I'm sure *someone* will profit from that Matariki Nov 2015 #31
So how soon are he and his spawn ready to suit up and go? eom Cleita Nov 2015 #32
Exactly what I was thinking mitch96 Nov 2015 #34
Not only WILL there be a ground force fighting ISIS in Syria alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #33
You can't spell "blitzkrieg" without "Bush" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2015 #36
Yeah, that worked so well last time for the Bush Crime family. olddad56 Nov 2015 #37
What's that rotten smell? Ouray Nov 2015 #38

Response to jpak (Original post)

Friend or Foe

(195 posts)
5. Yours First!!
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:17 PM
Nov 2015

Would he be sounding the same war cry if it were his two sons and one daughter who were the first called up to be part of the ground force?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. Ground troops worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:18 PM
Nov 2015

We stomped out all the insurgents and terrorists and built successful governments and democracies that are able to stand on their own today and fight their own battles. Oh wait...

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
9. The blood-lust of this evil family and its followers never ceases to astonish me.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:19 PM
Nov 2015

Damn, what is it in their genetic makeup that makes them so willing to kill innocents?

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Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
22. When you are a psycopath or sociopath, it just doesn't bother you all that much.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

You've got more important things to concern your self with, like the delay in the delivery of your new yacht.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
10. Oh Goddamn what a tool.
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:20 PM
Nov 2015

Can you imagine, there are people dumb enough to vote for that shitstain?

Eugene

(61,900 posts)
12. "...local forces that we have built workable relationships with."
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:22 PM
Nov 2015

Has Jeb been paying attention over the past year?

They call him the smarter Bush brother. Really?

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
14. let him tell his party to vote on the force authorization then
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

and send their own kids to fight.

I swear, part of me thinks they just want boots on the ground so a few Americans get captured and at least one gets killed in some terrible, medieval way on video that FOX can run on a loop until after the election

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
17. Idiot
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 04:50 PM
Nov 2015

Jeb Bush, you are an idiot plain and simple..... Anyone advocating ground troops to defeat ISIS is completely out of touch. This is NOT a uniformed war. These fighters are civilians that will simply fade into the Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian woodwork.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
27. PNAC Signatories
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:20 PM
Nov 2015

Signatories to Project for a New American Century Statement of Principles

Elliott Abrams[5]
Gary Bauer[5]
William J. Bennett[5]
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[5]
Dick Cheney[5]
Eliot A. Cohen[5]
Midge Decter[5]
Paula Dobriansky[5]
Steve Forbes[5]
Aaron Friedberg[5]
Francis Fukuyama[5]
Frank Gaffney[5]
Fred C. Ikle[5]
Donald Kagan[5]
Zalmay Khalilzad[5]
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[5]
Norman Podhoretz[5]
J. Danforth Quayle[5]
Peter W. Rodman[5]
Stephen P. Rosen[5]
Henry S. Rowen[5]
Donald Rumsfeld[5]
Vin Weber[5]
George Weigel[5]
Paul Wolfowitz[5]


maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
28. Can Daesh be contained or defeated without force?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:25 PM
Nov 2015

Without Ground Troops?

The Pesh Merga are already fighting them on the ground. Assad's forces are fighting them on the ground. Those are local forces.

The tactics employed to this point haven't eliminated the threat - their operational capacity has ramped up: the Russian Jet, Beirut, Paris.

If you know how to defeat them I'd like to hear the plan. And "Prosecute the Bush Admin" or "Get out of the Middle East" isn't going to do it.

My best idea is Quarantine.

Turbineguy

(37,343 posts)
30. Well, sure
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

and the IS guys will no doubt oblige by marching in formation, wearing red coats and carrying muskets.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
31. I'm sure *someone* will profit from that
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

And it will create more terrorists for future profits as well.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
33. Not only WILL there be a ground force fighting ISIS in Syria
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:38 PM
Nov 2015

This will be the issue that gets Bush back in the race.

Right now, something close to 70% of the public opposes ground forces to fight ISIS in Syria. This will soften to 50% opposition by Christmas, then down again to 45% or so by January 15. By then there will be a ceasefire between Assad and all other rebel forces and the narrative that airstrikes alone will be ineffective will have inundated the public. There will also have been at least one additional ISIS strike in Europe. The French and Germans will announce that an expeditionary force from NATO is necessary to defend their borders. The US will grudgingly agree.

There will be a force of 150,000 French and US ground forces in Syria by the end of May.

And Bush will be the nominee.

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