Honduras arrests five Syrians heading to US with fake passports: report

[restorefreedom]

Source: The Hill


Authorities in Honduras say they have arrested five Syrian nationals who were attempting to travel to the United States using stolen Greek passports, according to Reuters.

Debate has raged since the Friday attacks over whether terrorists may attempt to slip into the U.S. after reports that one Paris attacker may have come to Europe mixed in with Syrian refugees.

A French official said a passport found near a Paris suspect's body and had passed through Greece border controls was probably stolen, The New York Times reported.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/260628-honduras-police-arrest-five-syrians-heading-to-us-with-fake

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the clown car, esp trump, will pound this until the ge

[uppityperson]

1. It is so easy to get into the USA with a tourist or business visa, so hard doing it the refugee way

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

40. Not for anyone on the no-fly list.

nt

[Art_from_Ark]

53. It's not as easy as you think to get into the USA with a tourist or business visa

[uppityperson]

56. The screening and security checks are less, as is the timeline. Getng on on a refugee status is

much more difficult than most imagine it to be.

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Screening checks can be a pain for business visas

I can't go into the details in a public forum, but I know some people who had to jump through hoops just to attend a business conference in the US.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

61. Absolutely accurate

Not all are eligible for visa waivers for 90 days. If you're not from one of the visa waiver countries, then you will need to apply for a B visa for business or pleasure. That requires intense scrutiny and having to provide a bunch of documentation to the consular officer at the time of the mandatory in person interview at a U.S. consular post abroad.

In fact, I am actually working on two professionals who were denied B visas for a business trip to attend a shareholder meeting.

[uppityperson]

62. I agree, it can be a pain and there's no guarantee you'll get one. I was trying to compare to

being processed as a refugee.

[Myrina]

2. Ugh. Every TeaBagging Gun Humper is going to use this as proof ...

"Weere under attak! Obamaber has let them in to are country and the Muslins are going to rape and kill the wimmens!! Murka!"

[Jesus Malverde]

3. Let's just imagine a scenario

Bernie or Hillary have the nomination, and there is an attack in the US like Paris next summer. I think that could sway the election in favor of the riepublicans. We are playing with fire.

[Myrina]

4. So what do you suggest?

n/t

[Jesus Malverde]

8. After the Vietnam war

Vietnamese were left in Asian refugees centers for years, before being allowed to resettle in the US. They were resettled in small groups. We are already resettling refugees from this war in the US. I've heard variously from 10-85,000 refugees in the next year. You cannot manage something like that without a high degree of risk, of an attack and losing an election. Let them stay in safe countries in their region. Vet them over years and then allow them to emigrate.

[Darb]

21. Concern noted.

And dismissed.

Land of the free, home of the brave.

Some ISIS fuckface just uploaded a video threatening the exact place that I live and work and play. I live inside the beltway and am in the District all the time. I am not wetting the bed.

[Jesus Malverde]

24. The likelihood of you getting attacked..

Is more likely by the police. The chance of America being attacked not so low. You do realize these terrorists have access to unlimited funds from the Saudis right?

[Darb]

27. No, I don't know that and neither do you.

They might, but I doubt it. Unlimited funds? In general, for anyone it is more likely to be killed by the cops. Which is why all this panty-waste bed-wetting is soooooo very ridiculous.

[Jesus Malverde]

30. You do know the Saudis are funding Isis, right?

https://m.

The obvious follow up question would be who are these allies? Right? Lindsey squashes the line of questioning saying let's not taint the Middle East unfairly. Here is the unedited clip.

https://m.

[Darb]

31. The Saudis fund all kinds of crazy sunni extremist shit and have for a long time.

Unlimited funds right? Is that billions? Are they buying them a nuke? Still funding them? what is the point? They have enough funds to do what? If they have unlimited funds then it don't matter if we let the refugees in or not.

[Jesus Malverde]

32. Ok then..nt

[24601]

39. That's not even the likelihood of you getting killed now. The greater likelihood is to

be killed by a private citizen of the same color as yourself.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2015/may/21/updated-look-statistics-black-black-murders/

[jwirr]

46. What you are suggesting is interesting but first you have to

tell me what country in the ME is safe so that they can stay there for years. I do not really think Vitter is a reliable source 1 he is a R. 2 he is trying to run for office in a southern state that would just eat this story up.

No one is talking about bringing them over here before they are properly vetted. My brother in law from Jamaica took 2 years to vet while he sat in Jamaica waiting. And that was after spending 2 years here in college on a education visa.

And our Vietnam refugees did not stay in their own country they were in refugee camps in other countries. And they also took years to vet. INS does not let anyone in that easy. The only time they did was on the day the war ended and a plane loaded with babies up for adoption was allowed to come without vetting. And since I worked in a congressman's office and lobbied for that plane to be allow to leave Vietnam I know that they did not even want to do that.

What makes you think these refugees will not be settled in small groups?

[7962]

48. And they werent threatening us either

[Jesus Malverde]

51. They were mostly people who had fought with us

And didn't have the chance of going off on some Buddhist jihad. They have caused a few problems mostly related to their hatred of communists. Protests etc.

[leftynyc]

5. Could?

No - it will definitely swing the election if we don't start taking the concerns of others seriously. And it will swing the election if it happens anytime between now and election day.

[yeoman6987]

6. We definitely lose if an attack happens from today til the election

However if we are the party of principles then we have to take the risk.

[christx30]

15. "I know you have concerns about

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the safety of your family, in light of the attacks in Paris and the Russian airliner that were bombed. But because we are a party of principles, we are going to ignore those concerns and let 10-85,000 people. And it doesn't matter what you, the people that voted us into office, the ones that pay the taxes that will pay for these programs, think of it. You're wrong, we're right. And if you disagree, you're racist/xenophobic. Besides, if there IS a terrorist attack, it's just you people that will be hurt and killed in it. Your leaders have all the security we need to survive. There's no risk to us personally."

And then the people who's concerns were ignored by the administration can go vote for trump.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Plenty of republicans hoping for an attack, don't you think?

[840high]

36. I don't have to take a risk

with my life or my family.

[Darb]

23. Swing it to who? TRump? Bush? Cruz? Rubio?

Who is going to win if we get attacked? Name him.

[restorefreedom]

37. trump in a landslide. nt

[leftynyc]

52. Trump

who I believe will be the nominee. Bush also. Cruz may be a bit too crazy but I don't put anything past bed wetting imbeciles. Rubio not really experienced but things would swing so far from the Democrats, I wouldn't past the country to elect him.

[forest444]

7. Ding, ding! And Republicans are DEFINITELY not above concocting just such an "October Surprise."

To wit: Kissinger's sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks in 1968; Poppy Bush and Casey hoodwinking Iran into holding the hostages until Reagan's inaugural (on Election Day 1980, Kissinger actually "predicted" the exact moment - practically to the minute - they'd be freed); the USS Cole "dinghy attack" in 2000 (clearly a torpedo); and of course the bin Laden tape in 2004 (held back for over a month until 5 days before Election Day).

I feel nothing but compassion and grief for the Syrian refugees - but if the President doesn't reconsider his intention to allow them in, and so much as an attempted attack happens (even if completely unrelated to the refugees)...

Well, I doubt there will be much of an inclination for anything humanitarian under a President Trump or Carson.

[restorefreedom]

13. scary. i shudder to think how this could be politicized

and used in the year ahead.

[forest444]

29. That's just my point. This would be a fiasco just waiting to happen - or to be made to happen.

The President's heart - as usual - is definitely in the right place on this. But if thousands of Syrians were to be allowed to enter on his decision, to paraphrase Gerry Adams, we'd have to be lucky with every single one.

But Republicans would only have to be "lucky" with one.

[restorefreedom]

35. yes. unfortunately, odds are in the repubs "favor" nt

[christx30]

58. Forget a terrorist attack.

Remember the murder of Kathryn Steinle in July? Remember the fury of the right, and how that started a debate on sanctuary cities?
Now imagine that fury times 10 billion for an accidental shooting, drunk driving, armed robbery, or anything other than self defense. "Mr. Jones would still be alive if that @#$# hadn't been here in the states!" "And Obama brought this guy in over our screaming!" ect.
You want to find a way to make sure 10,000 or more people don't commit a single crime between today and Nov 8th, 2016?

[forest444]

59. My point exactly, Chris.

It won't do anyone much good to roll the dice now - as deserving as those folks may be - and risk having something just as you described happen, and (most likely) have it happen on September or October 2016.

Can you imagine? After a few screaming headlines and Faux News ALERTS, the Rapepublicans could nominate Bobby Jindal and win!

[Darb]

19. Can you say BENGHAZI!!!!!

That was a black op for sure.

[forest444]

33. And Benghazi - thank you!

A deliberately incendiary video created by a right-wing pastor (Terry Jones) with known CIA links, published on September 11, and the subsequent disclosure of the CIA safe house to terrorists who just happened to be at the ready.

Way too many coincidences - and that's just the known coincidences. Who knows what a real investigation would turn up!

[7962]

49. The USS Cole was "clearly a torpedo"? Conspiracy bullshit.

Did you get that from InfoWars?
Look at the picture of the damage. Its above the waterline right where the boat hit them. NO evidence of any torpedo.
A torpedo would hit well below the waterline to attempt to "break" the ship and sink it.

[forest444]

55. You're referring to deep torpedo hits - but not all are, and not all break though the hull.

Many of them cruise at no more than 6 feet in depth, which of course causes very severe damage up to and including the second and main decks. The Japanese used this type of torpedo very effectively in the Pacific theater during World War II (so imagine their capabilities in 2000).

Not all torpedo strikes are designed to "break" a ship and sink it, as you put it. Sometimes severe structural damage will suffice - especially if, as I suspect, the goal was to create a media spectacle to influence voters a couple of weeks before a very close election.

And what better way to do that than the spectacle of the USS Cole and its massive, flag-draped hole - above the waterline, where it is most visible - slowly and ignominiously towed back to the Pascagoula shipyard over two months (with almost daily media coverage).

[7962]

57. Obviously you'll believe anything. There's no penetration.

A torpedo drives into the hull. And the people who saw the boat drive into the ship are all plants too, right? And what perfect timing too; to have a boat come up to the ship at the exact time a torpedo arrives!
And why would AQ claim credit for it if it was all faked? Wouldnt they be denying responsibility?
I guess you think AQ didnt attack on 9/11 either.

[jwirr]

9. Well I don't think they are going to be able to blame that on

the refugees that are going to be coming to the USA. They are not supposed to be vetted for a couple of years.

[Jesus Malverde]

10. They are already here

Update at 7:00 pm: WBRZ has confirmed with the Louisiana State Police that a Syrian refugee who had originally resettled in Baton Rouge, has traveled to Washington DC to apparently resettle with family in the area.

Update at 2:15 pm: Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) is reporting that he has spoken with State Police officials and they have told him that they do not know the exact whereabouts of the Syrian refugee who has apparently left the Baton Rouge area. Vitter also said that officials said the refugee is believed to be headed to Washington DC.

The post below was originally posted earlier this morning on the Hayride. Updates to the story are above.

Louisiana State Police (LSP) and Catholic Charities have told the Hayride that they do know the location of the so-called “missing” Syrian refugee who was resettling in the Baton Rouge area earlier this week.

https://thehayride.com/2015/11/syrian-refugee/

[Darb]

34. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!! THEY'RE HERE!!!!!!!!

We are just going to have to pony up.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

41. He was found in Washington, I believe

nt

[Jesus Malverde]

43. It's in my post at the second update.

The point is there is little controls on refugees once they are here. They have all the rights of permanent residents and can travel anywhere they want. Thats why the governors refusing them makes no sense. Curious he wasn't placed with his family from the beginning.

[thebighobgoblin]

11. This is actually one of the few times where I'm LEFT of center on DU. LOL

I actually say 'let them in' provided they go through the normal vetting channels, which are extremely strict. The hardcore terrorists from Islamic state are probably going to come from countries other than Syria -- Iraq, Jordan, KSA, or North Africa, for instance. And if there are radicals from Syria, they'd probably get here through fraudulent means. The GOP aren't about making up lies and distorting the truth - we already know that. So if they can exploit a terrorist attack and lies about it they will. There's no point in changing our values just because one party has no values.

[jpak]

12. Are they jihadists or refugees?

[restorefreedom]

14. not sure we will ever know the truth

they used doctored passports which looks bad but is not conclusive. many want to use this as a reason to close borders and further restrict our rights. i doubt they will come clean willingly about these people. hope the press stays on it.

[flamingdem]

18. Maybe a little of both

Sometimes people just wing it

[flamingdem]

16. This is odd. They'd stick out like sore thumbs down there

and not be able to communicate (one assumes).

[Ghost Dog]

17. Looks like psyops but many DUers accept face value

No questions asked. Eg:

If (Greek) passports false, how do 'Guatemalen Honduran authorities' know these are Syrians? Do such men even exist? How do we know?

The passport referred to 'found' in Paris has been identified as false, one of several duplicates. So?

No one involved in the Paris attacks has been identified as Syrian, a refugee, or a recent immigrant. Who cares?

Many European, eg. French, British citizens are known to have joined Da'esh. Why not exclude nationals of those countries, or indeed all Europeans from entry to 'homeland of domestic terrorists with easy access to firearms and frustration, anger, hatred in their hearts'?

...

Why not link to original Thomson Reuters article? - (is this 'Trust.org' piece supposed to be it? -http://www.trust.org/item/20151118193719-25g7pp

Or this? -http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/18/breaking-honduras-arrests-five-syrians-with-fake-greek-passports-heading-to-u-s-a-three-more-arrested-in-st-maarten/

Or an item in this Reuters liveblog here? -(Reporting by Gustavo Palencia; Editing by Simon Gardner and Howard Goller) - cassandra.garrison: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2/mobile&utm_source=twitter&Theme=39

[Bucky]

22. You mean they weren't posing as refugees? They didn't think they could clear US screening program?

Huh. Go figure

[LiberalArkie]

25. All the Daesh have to do is get a H1B and we let them in to major telecomm and data centers.

[Nihil]

54. Ouch. (n/t)

[RussBLib]

26. Way to go, Honduras!

(to Donald Trump and the GOP)

How about being grateful instead of just finding another reason to automatically and gratuitously talk down the President?

(to Honduras)

Thank you! You got some beautiful beaches down there.

[Sunlei]

28. good thing Honduras airport noticed 5 men with longg Greek names who didn't speak a word of Greek

Probably didn't speak Spanish either.

[840high]

38. Yep.

[alcibiades_mystery]

42. Why would they do that when it is so easy to get in as a refugee?

Just kidding. Only racist fuckwits think refugees aren't vetted to the ends of the earth.

[restorefreedom]

44. yes. and several racist fuckwits

are possibly going to be the next president.

they are going to play this for all its worth

i predict a trump victory. if we are attacked before election, it will be a landslide.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. No doubt the racist fuckwits are winning right now

Whether they'll win next year is another matter altogether.

[restorefreedom]

47. our continued safety

not only keeps us safe from the killers, but from the rw looney fuckwittery.....hey, a new word perhaps?

[7962]

50. I still dont think that would happen.