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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,500 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:23 PM Dec 2015

Manufacturing in U.S. Contracts at Fastest Pace Since 2009

Source: Bloomberg Business

by Victoria Stilwell

December 1, 2015 — 10:00 AM EST Updated on December 1, 2015 — 11:01 AM EST

Manufacturing in the U.S. unexpectedly contracted in November at the fastest pace since the last recession as elevated inventories led to cutbacks in orders and production.

The Institute for Supply Management’s index dropped to 48.6, the lowest level since June 2009, from 50.1 in October, a report from the Tempe, Arizona-based group showed Tuesday. The November figure was weaker than the most pessimistic forecast in a Bloomberg survey. Readings less than 50 indicate contraction.

The report showed factories believed their customers continued to have too many goods on hand, indicating it will take time for orders and production to stabilize. Manufacturers, which account for almost 12 percent of the economy, are also battling weak global demand, an appreciating dollar and less capital spending in the energy sector.



“It’s the perfect storm for manufacturing,” said Brett Ryan, a U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. in New York, whose forecast was among the closest in the Bloomberg survey. “Traditionally, the manufacturing sector has been the canary in the coal mine when it comes to slowing growth. To what extent does this bleed over into other sectors of the economy -- that’s yet to be seen.”

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-01/manufacturing-in-u-s-unexpectedly-shrinks-most-since-june-2009

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Manufacturing in U.S. Contracts at Fastest Pace Since 2009 (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2015 OP
Just more former US jobs and factories shipped to near slave wage countries is all. fasttense Dec 2015 #1
2016 mtasselin Dec 2015 #5
Yeah you're right fasttense Dec 2015 #9
What does manufacturing in the U.S. mean? valerief Dec 2015 #2
Uh, huh? I'm not seeing what the headline claims. closeupready Dec 2015 #3
"to lowest level" Igel Dec 2015 #4
Ah, okay, right I see - I think they see the current level lower than since 2009, closeupready Dec 2015 #6
I see what you (and others) are saying. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2015 #7
I might quibble with that quibble whatthehey Dec 2015 #8
" ... as elevated inventories led to cutbacks in orders and production ... " Myrina Dec 2015 #10
I work in manufacturing Jimbo S Dec 2015 #11
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
1. Just more former US jobs and factories shipped to near slave wage countries is all.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

Nothing to worry about...free trade....free trade.....globalization... globalization... This is no indication of the US's continued economic spiral downwards.

When did Thom Hartmann say he believed the next crash was coming???

mtasselin

(666 posts)
5. 2016
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

I know you know the answer is 2016 if you have not read that book I would highly K & R it. In fact listening to Thom right now.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
2. What does manufacturing in the U.S. mean?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 12:55 PM
Dec 2015

Owners of U.S. manufacturing companies get contracts and the work is shipped offshore?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
3. Uh, huh? I'm not seeing what the headline claims.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:07 PM
Dec 2015

I'm seeing a decline but there've been plenty of steeper drops since 2009 - I mean, if you are customizing the time examined, then I suppose you can see anything you want.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
4. "to lowest level"
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:33 PM
Dec 2015

Looks like the headline doesn't match the text.



Lots of claims rely on customized, arbitrary time intervals. (Granted, all reporting intervals are arbitrary but some are also conventional.)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. Ah, okay, right I see - I think they see the current level lower than since 2009,
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:26 PM
Dec 2015

and then they jump to stating the pace of decline is fastest since 2009. Kind of irresponsible that the editors let that slip, but oh well.

On edit, or wait! Is this chart a measure of pace, itself? Then I think maybe I was mistaken. That is, if this chart is an index of the pace of manufacturing expansion, then ...

But wait, even then, the current index number doesn't mean ... well, I'm just confusing myself, so I'll bow out here.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,500 posts)
7. I see what you (and others) are saying.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:32 PM
Dec 2015

There appear to be two month-to-month drops in 2011 with steeper slopes. That is, the pace would be quicker.

If Bloomberg had said "The index is at its lowest point since 2009," there would be no argument, though we came close at the end of 2012.

Don't be surprised if they edit the headline to make their point clear.

Thanks for writing.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
8. I might quibble with that quibble
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

DISCLAIMER - I am a respondent to this ISM survey but have no special expertise in its analysis or construcyion beyond the basics.

But the point I can make with confidence is that the metric itself IS a rate. That number isn't the level of manufacturing activity but a measure of whether orders, backlog, inventory, deliveries, employment and whatnot for future manufacturing are trending up (50+) or trending down (<50) with the rate of growth or decline steepening as you move away from the midpoint.

So the lowest number on the chart in fact does mean a faster rate of decline.


However it's worth noting that this decline is far from dramatic. If I see a few months of <45 then I will worry.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
10. " ... as elevated inventories led to cutbacks in orders and production ... "
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:13 AM
Dec 2015

That's what happens when your workers can't afford to buy the products they manufacture ....

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
11. I work in manufacturing
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

I see a couple of early red flags. Should be interesting to see what six months from now brings.

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