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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:10 PM Dec 2015

Police Chief Craig: Armed Detroiters cut terror risk

Source: Detroit News

The city’s police chief said he believes violent extremists would be reluctant to target Detroit, as they had Paris last month, for fear armed citizens would shoot back.

“A lot of Detroiters have CPLs (concealed pistol licenses), and the same rules apply to terrorists as they do to some gun-toting thug,” Chief James Craig said. “If you’re a terrorist, or a carjacker, you want unarmed citizens.”

Oakland University criminal justice professor Daniel Kennedy agreed that terrorists would be reluctant to attack armed citizens.

“We don’t have laboratories where we can test these theories, but there is something to the argument that terrorists want a high body count — and if they can only shoot a few people before they’re taken out themselves, it wouldn’t have the kind of impact they want.

Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2015/12/01/police-chief-says-armed-detroit-cut-terror-risk/76592116/

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Police Chief Craig: Armed Detroiters cut terror risk (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2015 OP
whatever you are smoking, chief, do you share? niyad Dec 2015 #1
Plenty of studies out there that deny that 'theory.' nt onehandle Dec 2015 #2
I think the Chief knows about real life. former9thward Dec 2015 #16
I dismiss research too when it doesn't validate my bias. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #27
you have to be a serious wingnut idiot to want more people with guns as a police chief Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #3
Apple and orange comparison rocktivity Dec 2015 #4
Ah Chief, a lot of these murderous nut cases are suicidal. sarge43 Dec 2015 #5
Man, do I feel sorry for the rational-thinking folks Plucketeer Dec 2015 #6
With all the murders & robberies in Detroit I'd think even terrorists would be scared to go in there 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #7
The Wisdom of the Misinformed maxsolomon Dec 2015 #8
Yeah, cuz suicide bombers don't want to get shot! Maeve Dec 2015 #9
Shoot a suicide bomber in the head and Rafale Dec 2015 #10
LOL. I guess your suicide vest is one of the older models. PSPS Dec 2015 #15
Shooting a suicide bomber in the head MoggyMedley Dec 2015 #23
Iraq veteran? eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #21
We already have a "high body count" WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2015 #11
Hey, Chief................................. turbinetree Dec 2015 #12
I'd rather shelter in place and wait for the professionals to show up over getting into a gunfight.. 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #13
better link alp227 Dec 2015 #28
Is a police chief of a major city advocating vigilantism? d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #14
He is advocating to not be a victim. former9thward Dec 2015 #17
No, he's advocating a free fire zone sarge43 Dec 2015 #20
Didn't know that ISIS victimized the city of Detroit d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #25
Let's test that theory on domestic terrorists like oath keepers. muntrv Dec 2015 #18
It's definitely 'out there' MoggyMedley Dec 2015 #24
This is about the most irrational thing I've heard yet..... llmart Dec 2015 #19
It's similar to what DC police chief Cathy Lanier recently said: "Take down the gunman" NickB79 Dec 2015 #22
When you pull out your gun to take down the active shooter you in turn become another active shooter -none Dec 2015 #26

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
16. I think the Chief knows about real life.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015

Not ivory tower 'studies' or 'studies' funded by those with agendas.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. I dismiss research too when it doesn't validate my bias.
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:41 AM
Dec 2015

I dismiss research too when it doesn't validate my bias. Academics can be so inconvenient to our myopic and dogmatic minds, and as its immediate dismissal allows rational thought to be trivialized, it also inflates our own self-validation and pretense.

Quite the win-win we have going on there!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
3. you have to be a serious wingnut idiot to want more people with guns as a police chief
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:16 PM
Dec 2015

this guy sounds more sane--
"Josh Horowitz, director of Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, said, however, the risk of someone encountering a terrorist is minimal compared to the risk of harm caused by having a gun.

“The chances of running into a terrorist are small, but you’re increasing your risk if you have a gun,” he said. “Even assuming you’re going to be useful against terrorism, you’re increasing your own risk the rest of the year. Is that the right balance for your family? That’s the question you need to ask.

“Are there specific instances where having a firearm can be helpful? Of course. But you have to balance the overall chances with the increased risk of homicide or suicide you face when carrying a firearm. It’s not really an either-or question. The bottom line is, carrying concealed weapons doesn’t make communities safer.”"

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
4. Apple and orange comparison
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:21 PM
Dec 2015

America's problem is NOT armed terror groups shooting citizens, it's armed citizens engaging acts of terrorism.


rocktivity

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
5. Ah Chief, a lot of these murderous nut cases are suicidal.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

So they'll wear a vest packed with C4 and a dead man switch .... bang and boom. A citizen with a 38 is the least of their concerns and they'll get their high body count, including Rambo wannabe citizen.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
6. Man, do I feel sorry for the rational-thinking folks
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

who are stuck in Michigan! The whole damned state is run by RUBES! Yeah Chief - every gun that comes out in an exploding situation is gonna find it's intended mark. How in the HELL did you get to be a chief of police???

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
7. With all the murders & robberies in Detroit I'd think even terrorists would be scared to go in there
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:49 PM
Dec 2015

Actually, if there was a terrorist attack in Detroit no one hardly notice.





maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
8. The Wisdom of the Misinformed
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:52 PM
Dec 2015

Lazy Thinkers in positions of Authority everywhere in this Godforsaken Nation.

 

MoggyMedley

(19 posts)
23. Shooting a suicide bomber in the head
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 12:04 AM
Dec 2015

seems like a guaranteed way of making the bomb go off, at least if he/she has control of the trigger/detonator.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
12. Hey, Chief.................................
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

do the citizens of Detroit do this test everyday, like the one they did in Texas, last January -----------------your logic to say the least is just as insane has these guys and girls down in Texas, when they did this "experiment"


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/gun-group-finds-armed-civilian-wouldn't-have-stopped-charlie-hebdo-attacks






 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
13. I'd rather shelter in place and wait for the professionals to show up over getting into a gunfight..
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

with terrorists.

Chances are I'll miss and get killed almost immediately or become the primary target of multiple terrorists and even police officers who would mistake me for being part of the attack.

No way, no how am I having any part in that.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
25. Didn't know that ISIS victimized the city of Detroit
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

I guess its up to us to put an end to their reign of terror! With our guns!

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
22. It's similar to what DC police chief Cathy Lanier recently said: "Take down the gunman"
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:38 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/22/cathy-lanier-dc-police-chief-urges-public-to-take-/

In a surprising comment, Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier is encouraging ordinary citizens to subdue or even kill active gunmen if they can as the “best option for saving lives before police can get there.”

During an interview Sunday on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” Chief Lanier was asked what should people do if they are in the vicinity of an active shooter like the ones who terrorized Paris on Nov. 13.

-none

(1,884 posts)
26. When you pull out your gun to take down the active shooter you in turn become another active shooter
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:29 AM
Dec 2015

How the hell the police to know who is who?
Don't they do interviews for police chief positions anymore to weed out the incompetent?

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