Officer says he told boy to show hands before fatal shots

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Officer says he told boy to show hands before fatal shots
Dec 1, 5:09 PM EST

CLEVELAND (AP) -- A white Cleveland police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old black boy carrying a pellet gun told investigators that he continuously told the boy to show his hands before he fired.

Prosecutors on Tuesday released statements that the rookie patrolman and his training officer gave investigators after Tamir Rice's shooting just over a year ago.

A grand jury is hearing evidence on whether patrolman Timothy Loehmann should be charged criminally for killing the boy outside a Cleveland recreation center.

In his statement, Loehmann described in detail actions that a surveillance video shows took about two seconds.





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[uppityperson]

1. Link is to a coca cola thing

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. Here's a link, but there's just 1 more paragraph

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/officer-told-boy-show-hands-fatal-shots-35518963

[OhDemMom]

2. Tamir

2 seconds was nor enough time for Tamir to comply. It was an execution.

[peacebird]

23. Two seconds is not long enough at all.... It was an execution

[frylock]

4. Bullfuckingshit.

[csziggy]

5. Correct link

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOT_BOY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The cop is lying - there was no time for him to tell Tamir Rice anything. Even if he'd yelled out the window of the cruiser as they pulled up there was no time for Tamir Rice to comply.

Two seconds is far too short a time to make a determination to kill a child.

[uppityperson]

7. Thank you. How did the cop have time to determine Tamir was even the right person, much less

Tamir not having time to hear, comprehend, comply?

The driver put them into a potentiality dangerous position, the shooter was ready to shoot before they stopped.

[3catwoman3]

8. Exactly.

He opened the car door and fired immediately. A load of BS.

[Kalidurga]

6. He must be able to talk really really fast

probably too fast for most human ears to understand.

[Judi Lynn]

9. You got it! He would have sounded like a mosquito. n/t

[uppityperson]

11. Loehmann yelled but his window was up.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-release-officers-statements-killing-12-year-old-tamir-rice-n472321

....Loehmann said in his statement that as the car slid, "I started to open the door and yelled continuously, 'show me your hands' as loud as I could."

Garmback said in his statement he believes the windows were up, but isn't not sure.

Garmback said he saw the gun at around the time that Loehmann got out of the police car, and he thought it was a handgun. Garmback said he and Loehmann told Tamir to show his hands.

[Kalidurga]

13. That POS needs to be fired just for that

He didn't know if the kid could hear him or not and then he justifies homicide based on thinking the kid could hear him.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

14. Reminds me of the gunning down of a deaf Native American guy out west who was whittling in public

as he crossed a street.

Why do they automatically assume everyone can hear them, and can understand them?

[Kalidurga]

16. Jebus

I have seen more than my share of people whittling in fact growing up I did that on occasion. There isn't much entertainment in the sticks, unless you are carving them that is.

[maxsolomon]

18. John T Williams

Add in that he was a chronic inebriate and barely registered he was being spoken to.

Cops are jumpy as hell, and it's not without reason. The remote possibility of Islamic Terrorism, and the real possibility of Yahoos with concealed semi-automatic weapons.

[uppityperson]

10. Here's another article. WTF??

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/12/prosecutor_releases_statements.html#incart_m-rpt-1

....Garmback said that he drove up to the park from West 99th Street to get a clear view of the swings where the 911 caller said the suspect was standing.

He also said that barriers at the park's main entrance prevent cars from getting into the park. Garmback said that he drove over the curb and across the grass because he did not see Tamir at the swings.

Loehmann wrote that he opened the door and yelled "show me your hands" as the cruiser approached Tamir. He repeated the order as Tamir reached into his pants, he said.

"I saw the weapon in his hands coming out of his waistband and the threat to my partner and myself was real and active," he wrote.

[sulphurdunn]

12. After shooting the poor kid,

they stood there and watched him bleed out. How do they explain that? Did they 'continuously' tell him to stop bleeding?

[peacebird]

24. And they threw his sister in the back of the cruiser while they watched him bleed out, alone

they did not allow his sister to even comfort him as he lay there...

[sulphurdunn]

28. They should be in cages.

[tom_kelly]

15. Well

if he told him to put his hands up it's then justified.

- sarcasm

[christx30]

17. Found this on another website:

“Loehmann, who was identified as having fired the shots that killed Rice, joined Cleveland’s police force in March 2014. Previously, he spent five months in 2012 with the police department in Independence, Ohio, about 13 miles south of Cleveland, four of which were spent in the police academy. According to his personnel records, released by the city of Independence in the aftermath of the shooting, his supervisors described him as an emotionally unstable recruit with a demonstrable “lack of maturity” and an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed”, specifically citing an incident that occurred during a weapons training exercise.

An internal memo sent by Independence Police Department’s deputy chief to the city’s human resources manager described Loehmann as visibly “distracted and weepy” during gun range training and exhibiting a dismal performance in handling his gun, calling the incident a “dangerous loss of composure”. The memo concluded, “Individually, these events would not be considered major situations, but when taken together they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions, I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

[arcane1]

29. And yet he was given a badge

[marble falls]

19. How did he even have enough time to even say that in the literaly two seconds it took to murder...

that child after rolling up on him This whole thing is unbelievable. Has the Federal government ever before taken over so large a police force?

[Jack Rabbit]

20. He got out of the patrol car, told the lad to put his hands up several times and shot him

. . . in the space of two seconds.

I find that very hard to believe, Mr. Smart.

[sinkingfeeling]

21. How many times could he have said 'Show me your hands' in two seconds?

[fbc]

22. zero

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Our police forces are very poorly trained and don't do their jobs very well

Or, alternately, they're moderately well-trained for a job they don't have, like military assault.

Or, rather, in some communities, their job IS military occupation and assault.

[GGJohn]

26. That racist cop is a liar,

he executed Tamir Rice plain and simple, he shot the child as soon as he exited his car, about 2 seconds it took to shoot him.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

27. Well, I guess that makes it OK. Maybe he was deaf?