AP Source: Records: Sanders aides saved Clinton voter data

[MANative]

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — A summary of computer logs show that four aides to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign accessed proprietary voter data compiled by the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton.

And the records also show that the aides conducted 25 separate searches of voter information and some saved the results.

That's according to a person familiar with the data logs and the breach. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

The person says the data represents millions of dollars of Clinton campaign investment.

Snip.



Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. So it appears that the ex-staffer's "explanation " ...

That he was just querying the system to determine the extent of the hole is false.

[MANative]

2. So it appears. Since the source is anonymous, I am withholding any conclusions...

until this is confirmed elsewhere.

[azureblue]

36. Weasel words

And the records also show that the aides conducted 25 separate searches of voter information and some saved the results.

No - the records show that there were 25 tries to see if the hole had been patched, and they saved the attempts



From Slashdot:

from what the news stories are saying, this firewall-dropping was happening repeatedly. So:

NGP-VAN, the company that stores this data, was repeatedly dropping their firewall between the two major Dem campaigns, Clinton and Sanders.

A guy who’s now fired from the Sanders team observed this. They complained once and were given assurances by the company that it was a mistake and wouldn’t happen again. Then it happened again. The guy decided to gauge how deeply the Clinton campaign was able to read into the Sanders campaign, by experimenting to see how much of the Clinton data he could get. That’s a bad call but by information security standards it’s not unthinkable: it’d be called a white hat intrusion, seeing how much of the firewall was down by probing the other side and assuming your own data was revealed exactly the same way. It does matter, but you still have to fire the guy.

One thing we can be sure of is, anything open to ‘stealing’ on the Clinton side was just as open on the Sanders side, literally. It’s the same system and the same firewall, and if the firewall keeps mysteriously going down for no good reason you have to wonder what’s up and more relevantly what’s being made available to those on the other side of the firewall, which might explain why the firewall’s going down like that.

The Sanders people did NOT throw a fit the first time this happened. But this time, the Sanders guy got caught crossing the nonexistent firewall. We have no information at all on whether anybody from the Clinton side was doing the same thing. During that time there WAS NO firewall and the guy wasn’t hacking, he was browsing, as anybody on either side could have done during those windows.

I think that’s accurate so far. The behavior of the firewall is important, whether or not it’s suspicious as a planned exploit of the Sanders data run by Clinton people who are at the DNC and at NGP-VAN.

[Plucketeer]

37. After NGP-VAN's first: "Pardon us!"

There was valid reason to check up on them - reason that was verified when it was revealed there were repeated goofs in their performance. Obviously, the staffer had once told them of their system's failure. How many times should he have to go back to them?

What we REALLY need to know is just when the DNC was alerted to this repeated failing and what actions they took to make things right.

[Cha]

41. bernie's tea, Sabotaged their own campaign and are now tying to weasel out of it.

[newthinking]

4. according to "anonymous"

This entire thing is behing handled politically. Nobody is talking about how this happened and how it happened multiple times after it was reported. The breach was akin to Amazon doing a patch and making customer credit cards and Personal information exposed to every user during maintenance. That is incredibly wrong on so many levels and there is potential liability there.

The only case of someone doing what should have been done that has been reported so far is the Sanders campaign (they removed the offender and likely will remove any others if forensics actually prove that others saved data.

[uponit7771]

20. ... and it would still be illegal to view the information knowing what it was.

[OilemFirchen]

28. Suddenly sourcing is important to you?

That's rich.

But congrats, and welcome to the club.

[Thinkingabout]

3. The story is only going to grow, Sanders needs to get out in front of this, it will not help

Sanders, his campaign staff is hurting him.

[MANative]

5. Yup. Disappointing.

I am a Hillary supporter, but I've always said that I'd happily support Bernie if he won the nomination. That's still true.

[BlueMTexpat]

6. I will support whoever wins the Dem nomination.

No matter what.

But I am currently a Hillary supporter.

[Pantagruelsmember]

8. Had it been HRC staff doing this

imagine the outrage from the Sander's camp.
Let's try and remember we're all in on the same general progressive agenda.

[dbackjon]

9. Correct on both counts

[BlueMTexpat]

10. I can well imagine the outrage

had the shoe been on the other foot.

I have even seen some posts where this breach is somehow Hillary's fault. Bernie is not well-served by some of his supporters here.

I am a Hillary supporter, but I am first and foremost a Democrat and I will vote for the Democrat in the GE. Period.

[Dawson Leery]

13. It would be the Sanders supporters excuse to not support Hillary in the GE.

[Duval]

17. Wrong. I am a Sanders supporter and I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

We are all for the Democrats, Dawson Leery. We would not withhold a vote for Hillary, as that would be giving to the Republicans.
Let's be civil while this plays out.

[comradebillyboy]

27. Excellent sentiment and Happy Hollidays to you

good sir. I too will vote for the Democratic nominee.

[The Second Stone]

31. You don't need to imagine it. This is already being spun

by a minority of morons as the fault of Clinton supporters. Multiple members of Sanders campaign staff looked at the private data.

That said, Sanders is entitled to his information back, and immediately.

The DNC is also to blame for not keeping the information secure.

The Clinton campaign needs to reconsider whether to use this database and whether to contribute to it.

This program has failed.

[newthinking]

7. agreed.

This is going to collapse back on the DNC and the Democratic Party as a whole ultimately. But in the interim it is being politically handled artfully with the DNC avoiding a real discussion about responsability and liability.

Imagine if Amazon allowed customer records and credit cards to be searched during a "maintenance upgrade". Who would the attention and liability be focused on? That is EXACTLY what happened. And the data was exposed before and the vendor and the DNC knew yet it happened again.

That is a HUGE story (of incompetence and liability at the least). How long can that story be supressed? I don't think until the presidential election. The political playing with it may indeed be able to cause trouble for the Sanders campaign, but it is going to come back at some point. If nothing else the progressive media sphere will keep it alive until the end (and they will be right to do so).

[Nitram]

11. Nice spin, New.

How does it feel to lose the phony moral high ground you've constructed for your candidate. Bernie is a good man. He is also a politician.

[Fed up in NJ]

26. Not really

I don't believe it takes anything away from his obvious 'Mora High Ground".... if it was someone in Hillary's staff that stuffed all that Wall Street money in their pockets, Sanders Supporters would NOT be saying it was Hillary whom took the money.... but it was Hillary that took all those millions and millions of dollars.... Sanders was not the one who accessed that data.

[Nitram]

29. I'm afraid I disagree Fed.

The Gernistas I read on DU would have immediately shouted that it was typical of the evil, nefarious, crooked, Rovesque Clinton Campaign.

[jeff47]

12. And VAN says this is impossible.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

[pnwmom]

33. But everyone has access to the names of Democratic voters. What they didn't have

was the separate data about these names that the campaigns developed.

[jeff47]

34. Yes, and VAN says the Sanders staffer couldn't save that.

Yet that is the claim made against the Sanders staffer.

[pnwmom]

38. Both NBC and ABC are reporting that database logs show that multiple lists were saved.

And several IT people here have explained how easily that could happen, even if it wasn't supposed to.

So I believe NBC and ABC.

[Historic NY]

14. BUSTED>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

A summary of computer logs shows that four aides to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign accessed proprietary voter data compiled by the campaign of rival Hillary Clinton and some of the aides saved the voter information.

That's according to a person familiar with the data logs and the breach. The person said the data represented millions of dollars invested by the Clinton campaign.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach

[Cha]

42. bernie's team Sabotaged their own campaign and are now trying to weasel out of it by repeating

DWS enough times.

[raindaddy]

15. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has absolutely no credibility left..

There were previous breeches of the firewall Sander's campaign alerted the DNC about. There were also indications their own data had been accessed. No one went running to the media...

So "millions of dollars worth" of Sanders' campaign information is being withheld in the middle of an election? This is how the Democratic party runs their primary elections? If this holds up I believe it's time for a "new party" that represents the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party....

[pnwmom]

35. They offered no evidence their data was improperly accessed, as they did with HRC's.

They are merely trying to deflect suspicion with the old "everybody (probably) does it" excuse.

[merrily]

39. It's certainly been occurring to people throughout, from the coronation attempts, to the

other displays of favoritism, to this debacle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=918098

[totodeinhere]

16. To all of you Clinton supporters feigning outrage over this non-issue.

Considering all of the scandal that the Clinton's have been involved in over the years you have got a lot of nerve.

[MANative]

18. Exactly where, in anything I've posted, did you read "outrage"? I'm not outraged;

I'm withholding judgment, but paying attention. I would still absolutely support Bernie if he wins the nomination. Does that sound like "outrage"? Sheesh, for all the hits Hillary takes from Bernie supporters, it sounds like some are trying to provoke "outrage".

[totodeinhere]

22. Here.

Weaver described campaign's data as "stolen by the DNC" and said he saw a "pattern" of actions suggesting the committee has been helping Clinton. He said he planned to bring the issue to federal court this afternoon if the DNC continues to "hold our data hostage."

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942

Of course the DLC has been helping Clinton all along and this time we are not going to stand for it. And it's easy for you to say you will support the eventual nominee since the DLC is doing everything in its power to make sure that that eventual nominee will be none other than Clinton.

[MANative]

24. Did I write that? No, and you know it. Bye.

[uponit7771]

21. This is a big deal, the data points to her strategy at the least and the Data Director for an opposi

... team knows damn well not to view or even search on the data knowing what it is and that its exposed.

Its a big damn deal

[LanternWaste]

23. Much like you, I also believe the priority is to criticize the supporters of candidates

Much like you, I also believe the priority is to criticize the supporters of candidates to which this has nothing to do with. It allows us the pretense of the ethical highroad, it focuses attention away from the story at hand, and presents us with the opportunity (of our own making, or course) to denounce anyone who may comment on the actual story.

[The Second Stone]

32. Nobody thinks that Sanders approved this

and other than the "blow job" all of the scandals aimed against the Clinton are fabrications by their enemies. This may turn out to be a fabricated scandal against Sanders staffers, but the accusation against the four staffers is quite serious, probably chargeable as a crime.

The DNC computer people blew this one mightily.

[Lancero]

25. Honestly, with all the diffrient hands going around biting each other...

It's impossible to tell what's what.

According the NGP, no data was retained but with on possible exception, right after that they say that data retention wouldn't be possible, and then again they say that - despite their previous claims of it being impossible - some data might have been retained.

It'd be nice if NGP could keep their story straight, because right now it's got more twists in it then a pretzel.

Seriously, with as many 180s that they are doing on data security, we really need to question if the DNC hired the best disposable firm to handle this sensitive of data. That such a severe data leak happened on their watch - With one group supposedly reporting of possible issues in the past - this just makes these questions even more necessary.

[merrily]

40. I just hate hands with teeth.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. I've always maintained that his supporters are his biggest liability. I don't trust him. n/t

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