In Ironic Twist, the Bundy Militia Just Got Confronted by a Competing Group of Armed Lunatics
Source: USnewsUncut
Ammon Bundys gang finally has the armed confrontation theyve been preparing for. Just not with whom they were expecting.
As of Saturday evening, a group calling itself the Pacific Patriot Network descended on the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon, just as Bundys group was finishing a press conference. According to The Oregonian, Joseph Rice, a spokesman representing the new group of armed men, is presenting the Bundy militia with Articles of Resolution, ordering them to end the standoff and return to their homes.
Whats in the document the group presented to Bundys gang is unclear, as the Pacific Patriot Network is, so far, refusing to speak to media, citing a media blackout.
Other reports claim the heavily-armed group isnt siding with either the current militiamen occupying the wildlife refuge or with government agencies. Nobody at the refuge had been informed of the Pacific Patriot Networks intention to come to the occupation before their arrival on Saturday.
Read more: http://usuncut.com/news/armed-men-encircle-oregon-militia/
Tobin S.
(10,418 posts)I'd say attention, with them keeping the press out of it, I don't know.
MADem
(135,425 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)are pretty much saying that. One of the posters I read was saying "They need to go home. This is not helping."
Stupid nuts, the lot of them. Why is the FBI allowing anyone in?! I thought they had closed the roads getting in and out of there. They need to cut off reinforcements and supplies to end this quick. Some of those guys look like they might could live off the land, but most of them don't. That one guy that keeps getting pictured looks more Golden Corral than corral. The bad guys are actually holding press conferences. That shouldn't happen in an armed standoff with the FBI. IF they were anything other than white, the funerals would be over by now.
MADem
(135,425 posts)not know about "the ways" (the culture, the set-up, how people do things) out that way. It's as foreign to me as another country.
Maybe they're sliding in someone under deep cover, to get more info?
It does APPEAR that there is a difference in treatment--remember the standoff in Philadephia eons ago? There was no chatting, jollying, etc.
I'm not suggesting they do THIS kind of ghastly thing--but the disparity in treatment is obvious:
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/13/move_bombing_at_30_barbaric_1985
They could, though, prevent them from running to Walmart for bullets and snacks, and force them to smell their own poops or go out in the woods because there's no water...!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Nuts shooting each other up!
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)Did you see how the FBI guys were dressed? (Video in here...http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017320004) If they ALL look like scruffy hillbillies, dressed in desert camo, carrying either real or imitation assault rifles...how are they going to know who the militia are and who the 'gubmint' guys are???
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)That way the paranoia would do the rest!
TrollBuster9090
(5,955 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)George Washington and Lord Cornwallis decided to meet and throw the dice to decide upon the rules of engagement. As it happens, Washington won the roll of the dice.
"OK," Washington told Cornwallis, "I and my men will wear earth tones and hide behind trees and bushes. You and your men will wear bright red and march in groups down the roads."
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)current events in the colonies!
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Actually the dialog would have been between Major Pitcairn (Brit) and Captain Parker (hoodlum/thug).
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)trouble than they're worth!
rickford66
(5,528 posts)Back in the 60's on his comedy album.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)also similar mirth about Custer and Crazy Horse, the latter of whom also won the proverbial dice roll.
Drifter
(4,751 posts)about the pre-game coin toss.
Cheers
Drifter
brewens
(13,622 posts)militia kooks!
nxylas
(6,440 posts)...the GK Chesterton novel The Man Who Was Thursday.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)"We should be fighting together!"
"We are!"
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)No, Rabbit !
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)mtasselin
(666 posts)I didn't know the rabbit god was real, my turtle always said it was just make believe. Who knew.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water system, and public health?
2naSalit
(86,803 posts)dirt cheap taxpayer subsidized grazing on public lands, which includes predator removal on public lands upsetting the balance of nature for their scared cows.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)I mean the aquaducts go without saying, don' they?
kiri
(796 posts)All ducks are aqua, n'est pas?
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)definitely behind this movement for "privatization" of public land/resources - so they can fuck it up the planet some more.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)enough
(13,262 posts)Our guns are peaceful, your guns are not. Things are getting a bit muddled.
snip from the article>
Ammon [Bundy] felt blindsided, Todd Macfarlane, an attorney mediating the dispute between the Bundys and the Pacific Patriot Network told The Guardian. This was not a welcome development. We are trying to de-escalate here then boom, they all show up.
John Pratt, who joined the occupation after driving from Utah, told The Guardian the group was a third party who do not represent the Bundys.
Weve got this image with long guns that is not what we want, Pratt said. If theyre coming to keep the peace, I wouldve left the guns behind.
According to The Guardian, the Pacific Patriot Network was originally invited by Pete Santilli, a right-wing talk radio host, who wanted additional security on site to keep the peace, since local officials were clearly not getting involved.
snip>
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)this is no longer an armed occupation? I thought the Bundy Bunch strolled in armed for war.
ProfessorPlum
(11,277 posts)Ha ha ha - that's the funniest thing. I wonder what is stopping them?
Thanks for the snip
2naSalit
(86,803 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:24 PM - Edit history (1)
as an uninvited, heavily armed group of half-wits show up to protect them in an issue they weren't even party to...
karma.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)2naSalit
(86,803 posts)religious delirium.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)manufacturers.
2naSalit
(86,803 posts)I'm sure they're generating sales increases.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Laser102
(816 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... popcorn, anyone?
2naSalit
(86,803 posts)this story hit the interwebs. This is in my neck o' the woods, a couple of those brainchildren are from right up the road in both directions. And I have been keeping an eye on this sort of stuff for many years, one of my graduate advisor's pet topics.
I expect that patience is going to prove itself as the best option in this issue. All the crackpots will out themselves eventually and the only shots fired will likely be more like a family feud than a standoff with the evil gubbamint who can sweep up the last ones standing.
elljay
(1,178 posts)I think you are correct, but this is a festering infection that has been going on for quite a while, and that is largely ignored except for people like you and the Southern Poverty Law Center. I was a prosecutor for a few years in the 90s and we would occasionally get defendants affiliated with the Posse Comitatus movement. You could always identify their canned legal briefs by their "interesting" analyses of law. I remember someone who was fighting an infraction for skateboarding on the sidewalk and whose brief cited the Magna Carta and the Bible, and requested a transfer to Admiralty Court to adjudicate the matter under Maritime Law (I am not creative enough to make this stuff up!). These particular crackpots will go home, but the infection will continue to fester until our government takes them as seriously as it does any other criminals or terrorists. They are highly armed, largely prepared for a war against the government or at least for the Apocalypse (except for maybe bringing enough snacks) and committed. It is just a matter of time before one of these groups starts something and it all explodes.
The possibility for this to go south in a hurry is my greatest concern. It's best if they eat their own and/or show what a confused lot they are so the citizens who are capable of thinking with see that they need to be corrected in some fashion. The longer these dudes mess with some other community's income and credibility, the more opposition in the general population they will foment.
Glad it's far enough away to allow me the luxury of bystander with a pretty good seat.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)bible fanatics with guns are just as scary as the meth heads and organized theft rings prevalent in rural oregon.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)It only took a week to go from community property to Bundy property.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)"You militiamen are interfering with our appreciation of the booby-headed loons. You know, the other booby-headed loons, the ones with feathers."
potone
(1,701 posts)At least that's what I learned from reading the Guardian. I like it: one group of armed swivel-eyed loons is upset that another group of armed swivel-eyed loons has showed up. Only in America!
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Wait until you get twampeled by Wudolph the Wed-nosed Weindeer!
Send in the Jewish Suicide Squad!
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)these guys get to come and go at will. I'm not for any confrontation but why ain't they cordoned off and forced to stay where they are. ? Going to motels, bars , stores , press conferences seem counter productive. Sounds like a great little vacation to me.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Why aren't they arrested when they leave the compound ? I cannot remember anything like this ever happening before. I get that they don't want any shooting. Once the shooting starts, they will probly kill all of them. But when a criminal is driving down the road , you stop the criminal and arrest him. And why the hell haven't they turned off the power ? This thing is turning into a comedy of errors. Eventually, its going to get ugly.
Lulu KC
(2,574 posts)Arrest them. Please. Circle the area and when they try to leave, it's over.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)tanyev
(42,623 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)And a dramatic misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment!
Their two chief weapons are ...
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)must be wondering how bad they were in a previous life to deserve what they're getting in this one lately.
localroger
(3,631 posts)For the most part the birds that nest or migrate through are south for the winter. If it were spring you would probably be hearing more of a stink from the park people.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)occupiers have a brain in their heads, this story's being in the news has prompted a renewed interest in the history of (and psychology of) wildlife refuges. Web hunts for more info have been fun. One I found seemed to capture reverence some people feel for unmitigated space:
http://www.noahstrycker.com/articles/malheur.htm
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)You call out your teachers to the school yard for a fight and nobody but bullies from other schools show up? Why waste a good fight....
As the guy on the simpsons would say: "Ha-HA"
leftyladyfrommo
(18,874 posts)What do these even want? Do they want the govt to give them hundreds of acres of land for free? So they can go in and wreck it with their trucks and 4 wheelers?
Is that what they are really after?
I just have no patience with assholes like this.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)let these two militias find the winner among themselves?
I would bet the losing side starts crying to the government for help when they get shot up.
IronLionZion
(45,540 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)There are crazy people in our country, hoping more out themselves
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)They came up to PROTECT the Bundy Clowns.
SNIP
We wish to establish a safety perimeter of protection for the occupiers so as to prevent a Waco-style situation from unfolding during this peaceful occupation. The primary intention of this outer-ring is to bear witness to any aggressive action initiated by federal agencies or the occupiers, and to encourage an open dialogue towards a peaceful resolution. We will serve as a neutral third-party intermediary to prevent bloodshed.
SNIP
Blue Owl
(50,514 posts)n/t
WinstonSmith4740
(3,059 posts)How do they tell the "good" armed lunatics from the "bad" armed lunatics?