Hillary Clinton Defends Chelsea Clinton’s Attacks Against Bernie Sanders

[riversedge]

Source: abcnews





Hillary Clinton Defends Chelsea Clinton’s Attacks Against Bernie Sanders

By Liz Kreutz

Jan 13, 2016, 7:58 AM ET

PHOTO: Hillary Clinton appears on "Good Morning America," Jan. 13, 2016.ABCNews
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Hillary Clinton today defended her daughter’s attacks against her Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan, despite criticism the remark was inaccurate.

“You know, I adore my daughter and I know what she was saying,” Clinton told “Good Morning America” about Chelsea Clinton. “Because if you look at Senator Sanders’ proposals going back nine times in the Congress, that’s exactly what he’s proposed. To take everything we currently know as health care, Medicare, Medicaid, the CHIP Program, private insurance, now of the Affordable Care Act, and roll it together.”


Chelsea Clinton Tuesday joined in on her mother’s jabs against Sanders, saying during a campaign event in New Hampshire that the Vermont senator wants to “dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare and private insurance.”
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On “Good Morning America” today, however, Clinton doubled down on her campaign’s critique of Sanders and called for the Vermont senator to lay out “specifics” of his health care plan. ............

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-defends-chelsea-clintons-attacks-bernie-sanders/story?id=36263047

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Where is Sanders health plan?? Why has Sanders not yet released his proposal?

How can voters in Iowa and NH evaluate it when it is not yet out??

[tabasco]

1. Yeah, that's gonna be really successful.

"Bernie's going to take away your health care!!!!!" LOL

[riversedge]

2. and a tweet to go with the article:

Hillary Clinton calls on Sanders to lay out “specifics” of his health care plan- http://abcn.ws/1Zkn7RF #FeeltheBern(not) @HillaryforNH

[catnhatnh]

17. OK

M-E-D-C-A-R-E F-O-R A-L-L

[zeemike]

32. That's just too simple

You need a whole new program that will cost a billion or two to implement and will involve some profit for big money...

No one wants to just eliminate the age restriction on Medicare...there is no money in that.

[anigbrowl]

39. It really is too simple

Anyone can say 'Medicare for all.' I love the idea, because I come from a country that has a functioning public health system. Not only did I grow up with socialized health care, I worked in a hospital and one of my parents managed a large chunk of the healthcare system, answering directly to the minister (equivalent to the HHS secretary here in the US). But while saying it is easy, implementing it is a giant hairy soul-destroying nightmare because of the huge scale involved. I support the idea, but I have almost zero confidence in Sanders' ability to implement it and he has not put out much detail on how he intends to go about it.

I know he's planning to do so and I look forward to studying his plan if/when he releases it (although this is apparently going to be later rather than sooner, according to his campaign - http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-health-care-plan/index.html?eref=rss_latest) but considering that he's proposing to completely reorganize about 1/10th of the whole economy I would like to see a great more information.

Frankly, I don't trust people who promote solutions based on their simplicity, because what I hear is 'I don't care about the details, those are someone else's problem.' Underestimating complexity is a shortcut to failure, and I prefer repeatable modest success to a glorious defeat.

[zeemike]

43. No it really is that simple.

Medicare for all...no new programs need to be created or destroyed...just lower the age of eligibility to 1 and allow anyone who wants to to buy Medicare instead of for profit health insurance...all will be free to chose between the ACA or Medicare.
Nothing needs to be repealed or changed. Just a simple change in the age requirements,

But with the influx of new medicare people they may have to hire more people to handle it but I don't see that as a bad thing at all. it will offset the job loss in the for profit industry that will come as people find out they can get health insurance a lot cheaper with Medicare.

But this is what the insurance industry fears the most...competition...because right now they have none and have a mandate from the ACA that everyone must buy their product and that they can skim off 30% off the top for themselves.

[anigbrowl]

49. It looks simple to you because your understanding is superficial

It took over 20 years for the US just to get onto ICD-10, but you think this will be a snap.

[zeemike]

53. My understanding is simple for sure.

I understand that there is an age limit on Medicare and if there were no age limit there would be no problem with people having health insurance.

But people want it to be more complicated than that because the more complicated it is the more opportunities for money making...and that has come to dominate our culture as of late.

I mean really, it cost over a BILLION dollars just to launch a website for the ACA...that should make you think.

[anigbrowl]

55. It really is complex because you're talking about massive sums of money

Look, even with the most optimistic assumptions you're looking at moving an additional $1.5 trillion a year onto the government's balance sheet, which equates to about a 50% increase in government spending. It's an awful lot more complex than just hiring a few extra bureaucrats.

I grew up with socialized healthcare and my old man ran a large chunk of it in my home country until he retired a few years back. You don't have to sell me on what a good policy idea single payer or government-run healthcare would be, I've been selling the idea to other people as long as I've lived in the US because I consider it to be well worth the higher taxes that are required to pay for it.

But although I think it's a great idea it's also difficult to manage - legally, logistically, economically and politically. It's not the idea I'm opposed to, but the lack of detail (so far) from Bernie Sanders about how he plans to implement that idea.

[zeemike]

56. No one ever ask those kinds of questions about a trillion dollar war.

Which is far more complicated that Medicare for all. And no one complains about the lack of details for a war or any other thing like the bank bailout.
It is just assumed that they have the skills to work out the details.

But something that people need badly can be always short of details and always found to be too complicated to implement.
Let's face it, it is a matter of will...there is none to help ordinary people because we worship the rich and famous and love violence and war.

And BTW Medicare is not free...you pay a premium just like insurance...so the cost of it comes out of that premium and payroll tax and does not cost the government...so it has nothing to do with the government balance sheet...just like Social Security. The trust fund is not government money although those who want to do away with SS want to claim it is.

[anigbrowl]

57. Now you're being petulant

First, lots of people, including me, pointed out ahead of time that the Iraq war was likely to turn into an expensive fiasco. You were far from alone in thinking about that so don't pretend that you were. Indeed, one of the biggest objections to the whole Iraq war war was that there didn't seem to be any clear plan about what would happen after the military phase, given the ongoing lack of progress in Afghanistan after the initial success. Nobody doubted that the US could defeat Saddam Hussein in battle even if he did have WMDs, it was the turning-the-country-into-a-democracy part that people were skeptical about.

Second, you clearly understand the economic impact that a trillion dollar war had, so don't tell me that adding a $1.5 trillion dollar expense every year won't also have a significant impact on public finances. I'm not offering that as a reason we can never have single payer health care, but as a reason that you need a detailed plan for how to go about it. So far Bernie has not provided that, and I think he's doing a disservice to voters in IA and NH that are trying to decide who to vote for.

And BTW Medicare is not free...you pay a premium just like insurance...so the cost of it comes out of that premium and payroll tax and does not cost the government...so it has nothing to do with the government balance sheet...just like Social Security. The trust fund is not government money although those who want to do away with SS want to claim it is.

You are correct in that Medicare liabilities don't go on the balance sheet as such, but that's really an accounting convention. It's still a huge fiscal liability that the government is obliged by law to cover, it's just not part of the discretionary budget. And again, I am not saying that it can't be done because it's just too expensive. I'm saying that if you want to do it, you better be able to point people to a detailed explanation of how it's going to work.

Look at all the shit Obama has been through over the Affordable Care Act, with Republicans lying about virtually every aspect of it and voting to repeal it 57 times or whatever the total is now. And you want me to believe that switching to Medicare for all is going to be really simple, so there's no need for a detailed plan? What planet are you living on? I'm not asking you to abandon your support for the idea or switch your vote to Hillary or anything else. I'm just asking you to acknowledge that restructuring the entire private health insurance market would be a complex undertaking.

Why is that so difficult for you? I mean, I'm pointing out to you that socialized healthcare is a complex and politically tricky issue even in countries that already have it, as someone who has actually lived with and worked in a socialized healthcare system, and it's like you have your hands over your ears going 'la la la I can't hear you.' If you won't take advice from people with first hand experience of socialized healthcare, how do you expect to succeed?

[zeemike]

58. It's not restructuring the entire private health insurance market

And in fact does not address that market at all...that market can continue just as it is now.
It is expanding an existing program...Medicare...by just lowering the age of eligibility. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I call bullshit on your insistence on the complexity. And point out again that you seem to think that the SS trust fund belongs to the government and that any money we put into Medicare and SS belongs on their budget. It does not...Medicare and SS is self funded.
But that argument that it costs the government money is the same one used to try to privatize SS...and I don't buy it at all.

[anigbrowl]

61. Of course it is,m that's the whole point

I have no trouble understanding that you want to expand an existing program by lowering the age of eligibility, contrary to your claim. What I am disputing is your contention that this will be simple and automatic and won't cause any disruption to the insurance market, which is self-evident nonsense. You say 'it doesn't address the private health insurance market' and yet your whole goal is to get people out of private insurance and into medicare because you think the private health insurance is a scam.

And I have no problem with that, as I have said over and over and over again. What I have a problem with is your lack of a plan for how to go about it.

I call bullshit on your insistence on the complexity. And point out again that you seem to think that the SS trust fund belongs to the government and that any money we put into Medicare and SS belongs on their budget. It does not...Medicare and SS is self funded.

You can call bullshit all you like but all the evidence is on my side. As for your complaint about the budget, I specifically addressed that in response to your point about the inaccuracy of the term 'balance sheet' and you are now making false claims about my position.

Feel free to go on claiming that it doesn't require any planning and that you can just lower the eligibility to 1 and everything will take care of itself, but you'll have to do it without me. You would clearly rather blame others than invest any effort in figuring out policy issues, and frankly people like you are as big an obstacle to healthcare reform as the GOP.

[zeemike]

64. well I am not worring about disrupting the insurance industry.

That is true. Because I believe that they can stand or fall on their merit and ability to offer a product that is wanted and needed...just as I was not worried about the buggy whip industry when it went under.
The insurance industry will survive, but not by making money off of the suffering and at the expense of the health and well being of people...they have lots of things to insure against losses.

I don't want to do anything to the industry...nothing at all...if a part of it withers on the vine then I say that is just free enterprise...not every free enterprise should be forever guaranteed to survive. And making Medicare available to all is not doing anything to the insurance industry.

But over and over again I told you my plan...lower the age of Medicare...it's just that simple...and I have no doubt that the existing program is scale-able to include all who of their own free will chose it over a for profit insurance plan. And should a for profit insurance company offer something more attractive then I am fine with people choosing that instead...free market means having a choice..

[anigbrowl]

65. You're as bad as a libertarian

Your goals are noble, as are those of most libertarians (give people as much freedom as possible). But goals are not plans. Your approach is like that of someone who finds the direction of their destination using a compass and then attempts to drive there in a straight line instead of dealing with the reality of the roads and buildings in between.

I applaud your desire to get to a place where we have a single payer system or even something better. However, I cringe at your proposal for how we get from here to there. Sorry.

[zeemike]

66. Well what more do you want to know?

Do you want to know what the head of Medicare does when they are told to expand their program and take any age that applies?
I don't need to know that because I am confident that they would be up to the challenge and be able to hire more people and open more offices just as any expanding industry would do. It's not like they need to invent something new.

But to expand on your metaphor... The owner of the car new he wanted to go west but he did not have to tell the driver how to make every turn and every road to take...he assumed the driver could manage that himself because of experience.

[anigbrowl]

67. Lots of things; I'm a policy wonk

Finances, basic legislative strategy, financial projections, contingency plans. I don't need a book on it but I'd like the equivalent of an 8 page brochure

Obviously you are comfortable with voting on the basis of character because you trust Bernie, fair enough. But since I am the sort of nerdy person that is interested in nuts and bolts of things I want a lot more detail than you do. I find it quite interesting that you assumed my car metaphor involved a driver who was going to get you to your destination, whereas I was thinking about the realities of being the person at the wheel.

[zeemike]

68. Well the president is not at the wheel.

He sets the direction and the ones who operate the mechanisms of government do the driving. It has always been that way.
A better metaphor would be a ship...the president is the captain but he does not steer the ship...the helmsman does that...he sets the course.

But all of those things you mentioned can be answered...and none of them are too difficult to manage for even an inexperienced manager or planer. As long as you don't keep insisting that things are not like they really are...for instance that SS is funded by the government...it is not...it is self funded by payroll tax and benefits payed out have already been collected in advance.

But I don't trust anyone blindly...not even Bernie. Because I have see them sell out over and over again. I just think that Bernie is the most likely not to sell out. But if he does I will treat him like all the rest that have. I am not into the cult of personality that politics has become.

[anigbrowl]

70. Please stop misrepresenting me

You are the only person who even mentioned social security. I have never posted a single thing about it. Pretending that I brought it up and made misstatements about it that you are correcting is not conducive to honest discussion.

[zeemike]

71. Medicare and SS are both funded in the same way

Through a payroll tax,

Part A is largely funded by revenue from a 2.9% payroll tax levied on employers and workers (each pay 1.45%). Until December 31, 1993, the law provided a maximum amount of compensation on which the Medicare tax could be imposed each year, in the same way that the Social Security tax works in the United States.

Medicare is a part of the system of Social Security.

[anigbrowl]

72. I never claimed otherwise

You're arguing with yourself now. Goodbye.

[zeemike]

73. Then you don't have to concern yourself with the balance sheet.

And that is one of your concerns answered.

But thanks for the discussion...it helps us all to get this shit strait.

[LeFleur1]

69. Medicare for All

I'd like to know more about Sanders idea for a healthcare plan called medicare. We have medicare and we need a back up plan, too, because it doesn't pay enough to keep a couple above water if they get really sick. Medicare costs each month and the back up plan costs $400.00 each month. I don't think it's an awful thing to ask what Sanders plan would cover and what it would cost. If it covers what medicare covers at the limits of that plan it would not be good for families at all.

[Plucketeer]

22. Bernie's proposal

has been consistent since he began his campaign. It is to give this nation what Obama promised in '08 and then pulled a switcheroo on - making sure his health insurance pals would back him down the road.

[persuadable]

15. As I supporter of Hillary

If this type of thing continues I will no longer be a supporter of her. No mischaracterizations please.

[riversedge]

21. I really do not htink it was a mischaracterization.

Sanders has not put out a Health care plan yet as he said he would do. He has bits and pieces out. He has Not denied Chelsea's claims in his response and instead talked of something else. In an interview today on CNN--Hillary called for him to lay out the specifics of his health plan

Also for your consideration:

Chelsea Clinton Accuses Sanders of Trying to "Dismantle Obamacare"

—By Pema Levy
| Tue Jan. 12, 2016 5:13 PM EST

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/01/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-universal-health-care-plan



..............."Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance," she said, according to MSNBC. "I worry if we give Republicans Democratic permission to do that, we’ll go back to an era—before we had the Affordable Care Act—that would strip millions and millions and millions of people off their health insurance."

Chelsea Clinton is technically right: Millions of Americans would lose their current health insurance plans, which would be replaced by enrollment in a coverage program available to all (except, perhaps, undocumented immigrants). But it's unclear how a plan that would make almost everyone eligible for coverage would strip millions of health care coverage, which is what Clinton seemed to be saying. (The Clinton campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

Sanders' health care plan, which he outlined in legislation in 2013, would replace the current piecemeal approach to coverage through many different programs—private insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP—with government-provided coverage for everyone. As with the Affordable Care Act's health care exchanges, Sanders' 2013 bill relies on states to develop single-payer plans. But as the Sanders campaign stresses, any state that refused to set up a singe-payer system would have the federal government step in and do it. So unlike with the current Medicaid expansion, states could not opt out of "Berniecare."

"It is time for the United States to join the rest of the industrialized world and provide health care as a right to every man, woman, and child," Sanders campaign spokeswoman Arianna Jones said in a statement responding to Chelsea Clinton's attack. "A Medicare-for-all plan will save the average middle-class family $5,000 a year. Further, the Clinton campaign is wrong. Our plan will be implemented in every state in the union regardless of who is governor.".................

[persuadable]

27. I saw a soundbite of Chelsea's comment

and she seemed to use fear of losing health coverage to attack Bernie. This is a false mischaracterization and what Republicans do. As the officer of a Union I have supported single payer Health Care for more the 20 years. It is simple, efficient, and cheaper then the mess of the multiple plans we now have.

[zanana1]

3. Why hasn't anyone asked Hillary this question---

"Hillary, how do you intend to pay back your campaign donors"?

[Plucketeer]

24. Yeah

especially those ever-so-valued "small amount donors". Maybe she'll treat them to a revised TPP?

[LeFleur1]

74. Not Completely Sure

But I don't think campaign "donations" are loans and need to be paid back. And I think the donors understand that. I certainly don't consider my donations a loan. Do you?

[Grins]

4. When your defense begins with “You know, I adore my daughter ...."

...you lost.

That's a pretty lame defense, Hillary. Your daughter was wrong. Blatantly.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. her daughter was dutiful . . . and she followed instructions perfectly.

That is such a nice family. They are so alike in some ways. A family that lies together . . . lies together.

[RobinA]

29. Oh Please!

Candidates using fear of losing healthcare to attack opponents. Only the Clinton family would ever come up with that one.

That tactic was in use before Chelsea Clinton was born and comes up at least annually during some election somewhere. An oldie for sure.

[tk2kewl]

14. if she did she would have never put her in this position

she adores the thought of being the first female president more than anything else

[CharlotteVale]

30. +100000

[restorefreedom]

59. ^^^^^^^^yes absolutely^^^^^^^^ nt

[libdem4life]

62. Right on. Like it was Chelsea's idea. Not. It backfired badly because Chelsea has not

developed the "nuancing" and dog whistles that go along with the Clinton message. I felt actually sorry for her. And yes, what Hillary said Did Not In Any Way back her up. Kind of a Hillary nod of superior understanding.

[peace13]

5. Wow.

Way to double down on a bad decision. Not sure where she goes from here. My dad always said, 'If you're being run out of town, get in front and make it look like a parade.'

I'm so sorry that this had to happen. Mother /daughter political team is pretty inspiring.

[fbc]

6. And throws her daughter under the bus.... Classy

[jalan48]

7. Is it the "Bernie's being mean to my daughter strategy"? Chelsea as the victim?

[november3rd]

38. Good! LOL

I like it! Nice exposition!

[Sunlei]

8. He could start by lowering the age requirement for medicare to 50 & explain how he'd make it happen.

That was a proposal 8ish years ago and never even got close to 'happening'

[closeupready]

9. She wants specifics ... yet only four debates.

[earthside]

10. This is why Hillary loses.

There isn't ever any tactfulness or finesse to her political rhetoric -- it's always double-down and counter attack.

Her going on the attack over the Chelsea misstatement about Sanders heath care ideas only calls more attention to what Chelsea said. Hillary basically said: Bring it on -- Chelsea is ready to debate health care, too!

And that is not, in my opinion, what Democratic activists are looking for in 2016 ... the triumvirate of Clintons running for the Democratic Party nomination for President.

We are seeing it with increasing frequency as the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary get closer and closer: Hillary has been a part of the top one-tenth of the one percent so long that she really has lost touch with what is going on with average working people. Her social and economic position has made her unable to relate to regular people. She just doesn't have the political instincts or the empathy of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, so she resorts to trying to win through the use of overwhelming force (i.e.. the over-the-top endorsements and the corporate fundraising).

Sen. Sanders speaks with passion and courage about what he is trying to accomplish -- people can find an emotional connection with what he is proposing. We don't have to have every detail of every pain laid out ... we get it about what Sanders is talking about.

[safeinOhio]

12. Bad timing, just released.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/bernie-sanders-plan-to-pay-for-economic-agenda-to-rebuild-the-middle-class/

[msanthrope]

31. um no.....chart doesn't include single-payer.

[bkkyosemite]

13. Hillary is saying the same thing as her daughter

re: Bernie and healthcare. I heard Hillary use the same wording. They must have both rehearsed it.

[catnhatnh]

16. On “Good Morning America” today, however, Clinton doubled down

Okay-me too:

Liar, Liar (Pantsuit on fire)

[blackspade]

18. This will blow up in Clinton's face

I already has in some ways.
Very disappointing.

[GeorgeGist]

19. Oh., the humanity ...

"To take everything we currently know as health care, Medicare, Medicaid, the CHIP Program, private insurance, now of the Affordable Care Act, and roll it together.”

[catnhatnh]

20. Is Chelsea's daughter

talking yet?

[AzDar]

23. LYING: a Clinton Family value.

[happynewyear]

28. And lie they do!

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And they make their beds and they LIE in them too! indeed!!

[TipTok]

41. Occasionally other people's beds...

[Geronimoe]

25. Hillary and Chelsea soundling like the Tea Party and Sarah Palin

Where is Bernie's death panel?

Bernie is going to have medicare for all. How scary is that?

[marew]

26. The Clintons are merely part of the lying, deceitful oligarchy that runs our country!

After this Chelsea episode I am firmly and irrevocably on the side of those who feel Hillary cannot be trusted! Previously, I was on the fence but Chelsea, and her mother's subsequent support, has changed all that.

[libdem4life]

63. I believe that may have been the point where Bernie closed the gap and went ahead in

many or most of the categories.

I am a mother. There are a lot of us out there. And I don't want a woman president that throws her own daughter out to the wolves then under the bus. Disgraceful. HRC is going to need some more busses for her "friends, colleagues and family". Because I have a feeling some are starting to Feel the Bern.

[Babel_17]

33. "I know what she was saying"

Sort of implies it needs translating.

[Z_California]

34. The thing that Hillary keeps forgetting is

we're not stupid.

[Javaman]

37. she thinks she's talking to republicans. LOL nt

[Kelvin Mace]

35. These people are supposed to be brilliant politicians

but I have never seen this. It seems to be just one bad decision after another.

[TipTok]

42. No real competition...

... and she knows it.

She has carte blanche and no real consequences... even more so than the Clintons are used to.

Even if Sanders pulls it out in the first two states, she has the minority vote locked up in the south and middle.

Short of a real catastrophe like Hillary Clinton being personally indicted over the emails or being caught on video kicking a puppy... Nada

[Kelvin Mace]

44. The problem is

if she loses in the first two states, she is likely to get desperate and nastier.

She is now burning her bridges with a respectable percentage of the party, which will seriously hurt her in the general. According to some of her supporters here, were are supposed to simply shut up and clap when she commands it. And if she loses it won't be her fault, it will be OUR fault for being insufficiently loyal.

[TipTok]

45. She is counting on the hatred for the other guy...

... To see her through.

She doesn't have to be appealing. She just has to make sure that the opposition is more unappealing and hope that voters hold their nose.

She's probably right...

[Kelvin Mace]

46. Not sure

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She will absolutely electrify the Right against her and will bring them out in droves. In the mean time she is alienating 10%-15% of her base and telling them pretty much to fuck off.

I get her message and I will not vote for her under any circumstances short of violent coercion. If she is the candidate no matter who loses in November, the rich win.

[TipTok]

47. That's the game nowadays I suppose...

Who can get out the most hate for their opponent...

Goes both ways...

Now that I think about it, that has been the game for a long time.

I think that is one reason that Bernie is unique, he is genuinely appealing for a variety of reasons and folks seem to be able to accept the good with the bad.

Hillary is just the least bad choice for most. I know folks who are passionate about every top tier Presidential candidate except for Hillary. Anyone I know who is voting for her is doing it because she's a woman. I can't find anyone actually excited about her policy or her personality. Especially the personality...

Yes, I know the plural of anecdote is not data. Just my $.02.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. The refreshing thing about Bernie is

that his position now is pretty much the same as it was 20+ years ago.

[Babel_17]

50. And it might be worse than that. Independents were never "ours"

And it might be worse than that. Independents were never "ours". The Republican "Fright Night" is pushing them our way, and Sanders forcing the conversation to being about issues important to them is inclining them to favor us.

Those voters could easily stay home, or even choose their other option.

[Z_California]

36. It is entertaining though

watching her supporters try to spin the lies into not lies.

[Lizzie Poppet]

40. I'll just leave this here:

[TipTok]

48. That's what I was looking for...

Boom

[christx30]

52. I love this post I found on imgur earlier.

http://imgur.com/gallery/nmsKrTG

"Amid Hillary Clinton's the accusations against Bernie Sanders that he wants to dismantle our healthcare system, here is a signed photograph he received from her in 1993. (From Bernie's FB page)"

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

54. I was on the fence, no dog in this, waiting to get behind the nominee

As much as the Clintons annoyed me with triangulation and the DLC, I was willing to overlook some things, if it meant a less bitter primary and a stronger nominee. If the campaign was clean, I had no preference.

Now, fuck them.

Bernie all the way. I'm sick of this DLC, Third Way shit.

[restorefreedom]

60. it does seem

that this primary is not only about the candidates but about the future of progressivism and gettig rid of third way once and for all.