Armed Oregon Occupiers Scrub Meeting With Town, Tell FBI to Leave

[Eugene]

Source: NBC News

A group of armed protesters who have occupied an Oregon national wildlife refuse building for nearly two weeks said a planned meeting with the community likely won't happen Friday, and called on the FBI to leave the area.

"They're fear mongering. We want them to quit acting this way, quit being provocateurs, quit acting as militia and stirring up fear — there's no need for that," Arizona rancher LaVoy Finicum, who has acted as a spokesperson for the group, said Friday.

"We can get on with the business and get out of here quicker if you go home," Finicum told reporters.

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The group had planned to meet with the community and explain their actions and timetable for withdrawal Friday evening, but Finicum said Harney County Judge Steve Grasty has prevented them from securing a meeting place.

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Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/armed-oregon-occupiers-scrub-meeting-town-tell-fbi-leave-n497636

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JAN 15 2016, 4:39 PM ET
by PHIL HELSEL

[randys1]

1. time to go in, get em....I want them all in jail or else we are a lawless

country for white people only.

That wont work, will it.

I know Obama cant be seen to be picking on these privileged people, but too bad.

If these were BLM we would be talking about the nice music they had at their funerals

[christx30]

3. A-friggin'-men.

There is no way the FBI would have held out this long and allowed this much damage to occur if it were BLM or Occupy-anything. They would have stormed the place within 6 hours of it starting.
The only thing I can think of is the Feds are giving these people lots of rope to hang themselves with. Recording every action these people take to rack up huge prison sentences. At least, I hope that's the strategy.

[branford]

13. How long did the various Occupy groups unlawfully remain on public and private property,

including OWS at Zuccotti Park in downtown Manhattan?

It was a lot longer than two weeks.

You are certainly entitled to believe law enforcement should be more aggressive in Oregon, although my disagreement with such an unpredictable and potentially explosive strategy and support for existing patient efforts in well-known, using groups like Occupy or BLM as the standard is counterproductive, and from a legal and policy perspective, actually may support significantly more restraint with the militias.

The Oregon stand-off should be viewed from the perspective of proper and safe policing techniques, not whether you agree with the politics of the offenders.

[DirkGently]

23. How long did they guard them with guns?

And how many "removed" with pepperspray and clubs?

At what point did they claim they were taking public lands from the government and the people indefinitely?

At what time did they steal vehicles, break into computers, break down fences with stolen equipment, and build roads through wildlife sanctuaries?

Bullshit comparison is bullshit.

And this sovereign citizen nuttery needs to stop.

[handmade34]

31. "comparison is bullshit"

yes it is...

[daleanime]

51. +1

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. +1000000. Thank you.

[Bradical79]

54. Not even close to the same situation

The occupy protests were not an armed occupation of a federal building. The occupy demonstrations didn't involve going through federal computer systems accessing personal information. The occupy demonstrations also were dealt with much more aggressively as arrests were made, people were assaulted, undercover police were used to try to incite protesters into commiting crimes, and people were even tortured.

[MrMickeysMom]

58. Boy, that comparison was BAD...

Recall any guns by OWS? By the way, they were as inclusive and non-violent and democratic as you could have. They were infiltrated by many government groups early in the game, spied upon, and then treated horribly.

[The Green Manalishi]

16. ..." or else we are a lawless country for white people only.

Uh there was ever any question about it?


OTOH, I think that our president is being, as usual, patient and cunning; martyrdom is *EXACTLY* what they want. Or any federal actions that will stir up the base. These assclowns want to start Civil War 2; a trial of the survivors after a bloody SWAT raid or SEAL team smackdown (as much as I would LOVE to see it) would strengthen their side. Fortunately our President is not obliging them.

If it were BLM, the shooting would have been over so fast the media would still be getting there.

[randys1]

17. And I have called for calm for a long time too, but this shows how cool Obama is, the best of us

eventually run out of patience with these childish assholes.

Obama never does.

He will outlast them.

[The Green Manalishi]

61. Cool enough to NOT make them martyrs

Terrorism actually works NOT by overthrowing the ruling group. It works by causing the government to overreact which then arouses the populace to overthrow the government. If the government doesn't play into it, you still have a violent outburst but you don't have a flashpoint, a bloody flag or martyr(s).

Assuming that the leadership of BLM has a modicum of polciical al competence, the places they disrupt have been because those places create the need for an immediate reaction. Vanilla Isis was more about the symbolism and the target audience, rural heavily white America, BLM disruptions have been the urban core IIRC.

[blackspade]

22. +1000

[JoeyT]

45. Right wing white people, at that.

If these folks had taken this building over to protest some illegal activity by banks, a trade agreement, or a war they'd have been dead a week and a half ago, no matter what race they were.

[Bradical79]

56. If there is no rush to remove them

They should at least be preparing charges, cutting power, cutting their communications, and take into custody those that leave. It's ridiculous that these idiots can commit crimes and be allowed to wander into town, get hotel rooms, host journalists, etc.

[ZombieHorde]

63. I would cut off their power and wait them out.

No one would be allowed in, so they would quickly run out of snacks and lube, and they would pretty much have to leave. My goal would be to avoid bloodshed between them and law enforcement. I think that would feed into their message, and could even make them into martyrs. If they turned on each other, then that would be different. Law enforcement and reporters would camp outside. If they came out shooting, then everyone would see that they are the aggressors, as opposed to "peaceful occupiers," or however some would see them. Of course some would take their side no matter what they did, but I suspect that number can be greatly diminished.

If these were BLM we would be talking about the nice music they had at their funerals

Yes, the double standard is hard to miss, in my opinion.

[Liberal_in_LA]

64. k&r

[Autumn]

2. Oh my. Was the Justice Department done away with? I think we could use one right about now.

[nruthie]

4. "The business". Just exactly what might that mean?

So now these yahoos are giving orders to the FBI to leave the area! How much longer are these yokels going to be allowed to squat here anyway?

[ffr]

10. Business = looting and land grab

Clear as day.

[bluedigger]

5. I remember that time I told the FBI to get lost.

That's all it took.

[Monk06]

6. They want the FBI out because they know warrents are waiting for them the minute they hit the road

[deathrind]

7. Wow...

"They're fear mongering. We want them to quit acting this way, quit being provocateurs, quit acting as militia and stirring up fear — there's no need for that, Arizona rancher LaVoy Finicum"

The cognitive dissonance of that statement is mind numbing. These guys need to be smacked down once and for all. These people are unhinged. It was just down the street from my house where that psychopath JT Ready (Az Militiaman) murdered those 4 people...one of them was a 15 month old girl.

[llmart]

25. That statement jumped out at me also.....

While I was reading it I thought to myself "wait, who's this talking?" only to realize it was one of the goofball squatters talking. Then it hit me that they seem really, really angry that the government HASN'T provoked anything, which is what they were hoping for all along and so now they have to put this meme out there that they are being "provocateurs". (I'm surprised they even understand the word.) I do think that the longer this goes on the more ridiculous they look and the more they're ridiculed. The only ones listening to their garbage are people just like them, and I so want to believe that those types of people are in the minority.

[underpants]

29. I was sure it was a quote from a local

"acting as militia" ???? excuse me I'm going over here while my head explodes.

[Marty McGraw]

49. me too as well.

but since the media tends to only see him and not a community member, his complaint gets recorded first! Whiny Brats always do.

and with that second response: "We can get on with the business and get out of here quicker if you go home" should add "so no one sees our soily mess as we scamper out with our heads firmly tucked up our asses"

[Dont call me Shirley]

26. More like cognitive detachment...

[Voice for Peace]

59. What the FBI has apparently done, and brilliantly,

is erect one-way mirrors all around the property, minus a few places where they'd notice (eg a road). The FBI can see them, but they can only see themselves.

"It's the #@!FBI%!!!!!"

[Botany]

8. After showing up w/guns and taking over property that was not theirs, not listening to the locals,

cutting a ranchers fence, and being a first rate pain in the ass these Y'allQaeda folk asked
the local government if they could use the County Fariground buildings for a meeting and the
local leaders told them to fuck off.

Let those idiots go home and then arrest every last one of them.

******

BTW my late Granddad had an orchard and ranch in Southern Oregon and I don't what
Bob W., or his neighbors would have done if somebody had cut their fences so their live-
stock could get away.

[avebury]

9. They have totally lost whatever mind they ever had.

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The MSM need to find a psychologist to give an assessment of these loons. Everything that they accuse the FBI is what they themselves are doing. It is called projection.

[ffr]

14. And so long as RW media portray them as patriots

their numbers will continue to fester and more atrocities will be in this country's future.

They rule by redefining right from wrong. They lost the argument before it started. That's why they've escalated this to lethal force if necessary to get their way.

[avebury]

19. The locals need to start being even more vocal

about wanting those idiots out of there (they are a danger to our community, we fear for our safety, they are breaking the law,etc). The locals need to take control of the PR.

[Marty McGraw]

50. boring locals

I'm sure the media is just salivating for the insurgents to perform an ISIL-like statement.

[KingCharlemagne]

39. Technical note: I think you mean "projection" (and not "deflection") - nt

[avebury]

40. Your are right. nt

[Gregorian]

11. It almost reminds me of the slow OJ chase.

I think it's over. Check, please.

[randys1]

18. FX is doing a mini series on OJ...

[japple]

12. Who is going to take care of their children? I read that Ammon and Ryan Bundy had about 20

children to support. There are 14 children in the Cliven Bundy family. I don't know how many offspring each family member has, but when Ammon and Ryan go to prison, will the children get AFDC, or will the Bundy family support them?

[Ford_Prefect]

20. $530,000 loan and an allegedly functional truck maintenance firm ought to supply more than enough.

I thought there was rather a a large extended Bundy clan, no?

[uppityperson]

15. Tarpman has it rather backwards.

[L. Coyote]

55. Such artfully crafted propaganda and dissonance, you wonder where their earpiece feeds originate.

Koch Central, Big Oil, or Just Steal It All, Inc.

[Not Sure]

21. Typo or Freudian slip?

"A group of armed protesters who have occupied an Oregon national wildlife refuse building for nearly two weeks..."

I'm sure it's trashed by now, so maybe calling it a 'refuse' building isn't so far off the mark.

Time to take out the trash.

[Dont call me Shirley]

24. FBI response...ok you guys you're in charge now....

[LiberalElite]

27. ..."quit acting as militia..." WHAT THE FLYING FK?

Get them out of there! Who the fuck do they think they exactly are????

[L. Coyote]

28. #AllHatNoBrains is my new nickname for LaVoy Finicum after that dose of irony.

[center]
Happening now: Bundy breaking down fence on refuge #BundyTeaParty

[PatSeg]

30. Unbelievable hubris

Talk about living in a bubble! Who the hell tells the FBI to go home?

[billhicks76]

32. Infiltrated?

Anyone think there are informants in the inside? Usually they are the ones provoking everyone.

[Bernin]

33. The way to get the DOJ to act

is by making it think these guys have cash and gold to forfeiture; and, a marijuana growing operation.
Until then. No money in it for the DOJ...

[kiri]

34. helicopters is the answer

A helicopter --borrowed from the Nat'l Guard--should fly back and forth over the militia guys. Land a couple of times far enough away so one can't
see what is going on. Then hover. A 'copter makes a whole lot of wind, blows a lot of snow and dust and weeds around. It is very unpleasant.

Militia types--ordinarily very courageous and god-fearing-- are very scared of helicopters--especially black ones. Their imaginations will run rampant.

Return at dusk.

A second heli should go to the Bundy ranch in Nevada. Oh, Jesus... what is up? (Don't worry about the poor cellphone reception; news will spread via every jack rabbit from Oregon to Nevada.)

[Marty McGraw]

52. would be a

hilarious sight to see!

[Voice for Peace]

60. They'd use their 2nd amendment rocket launchers

If they felt threatened by black choppers.

[WheelWalker]

35. I expect the FBI is tracking every phone call, text and email from these Bundinistas,

and making a long list of additionals to get warrants for wiretaps. The Refuge is an intelligence-rich environment.

[Nihil]

65. Actually, I disagree ...

> The Refuge is an intelligence-rich environment.

The Refuge is a completely intelligence-free environment ...

[turbinetree]

36. Let's all remember this................this what these criminals have done.............

http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2016-01/5384/91173/Malheur_NWR_press_release_-_cultural_res_%282016-01-15%29.pdf

[Red Knight]

37. No matter what happens

These guys have achieved their goals. They will be martyrs in one form or another to every fringe radical anti-government group out there. Forget reality. These guys have their own reality. This will be just another piece of fiction they can use to stoke their hatred and fuel their membership drive for more like-minded nuts to push some ridiculous agenda.

They seem to WANT a war with the government.

They should be seen as the dangerous threat they are. It might on some level seem comical now--but what grows out of this sort of fantasy will be anything but that. These are not people in touch with reality. That can lead to some dangerous groups and activity.

They want to take over government lands, buildings, anything.

On what authority? I don't want them to do anything of the sort. If the government stormed in and took their land they'd be screaming and shooting in every direction. But apparently they(as good patriots--in their minds)have some sort of moral high ground and can do as they please.

I don't think so.

[SamKnause]

38. Can't these 'rugged individuals' hold a meeting outside ???

[Earth_First]

41. Anything else we could do to help accomodate these guys?

I mean, come on!

[Lizzie Poppet]

42. Okay, I've lost my patience with these traitors.

I've been advocating for patience with these fools from the beginning. That's partly because I actually do have a small amount of skin in the game: I use the facility they've occupied a couple time a year, most years. I don't want to see it badly damaged (it's necessary for maintaining the refuge).

But enough is enough. Stalking and threatening locals. presuming to order law enforcement about, damaging the refuge...enough! It's time for Governor Brown to take control of the situation and mobilize National Guard units. Surround the facility with armored vehicles (and attack helicopters hovering at range), order everyone else out and all access to the seditionists cut off, and issue an ultimatum: surrender or the tanks and helicopters open fire from range. Nothing these yahoos have will do more than scratch the paint of an Abrams tank (or reach out to where an Apache gunship can fire from). No danger to troops.

I have almost zero doubt that despite the big talk, they'll cave (and quickly) once they're staring at the business end of an Abrams main gun of two.

[47of74]

57. Yeah that's where I am too.

I think the President should personally send a message along these lines,

This is the President of the United States of America. The installation you have illegally occupied has been located, identified, and fed into our fire control system. In one hour and forty-five minutes, the entire installation shall be destroyed. You have that long to surrender totally and unconditionally.

[Vinca]

43. Time to encircle that building with wire and call it a prison.

Enough already. These felons are nothing but well-armed moochers.

[dhill926]

44. Tear gas the fuckers…

Then arrest them. Enough already…

[Solly Mack]

46. "Oregon national wildlife refuse" Refuse? Refuse? Seriously? and this part...

"They're fear mongering. We want them to quit acting this way, quit being provocateurs, quit acting as militia and stirring up fear — there's no need for that," Arizona rancher LaVoy Finicum, who has acted as a spokesperson for the group, said Friday.

The FBI is acting as "militia" and "fear-mongering" and being "provocateurs" and "stirring up fear"???

Uh, there's a word for that Spanky.

LMAO.

[Kennah]

47. Bundy Bunch = Wildlife Refuse

The Reich Wing is an endangered species, going extinct, and they know it.

[Solly Mack]

48. They really are refuse.

[underthematrix]

53. So they want the US gov't's well-regulated militia to leave - LOL

[Sunlei]

66. If anyone 'camped' in any national/state park without permission they would be arrested instantly.

Even state leadership, the state Governor and all his Admin, state Judges, state police, National park police, State park police, Federal BLM....

no one seems to have authority to charge these squatters with anything.

yet if a lone Journalist wants to take pictures of wildlife roundups by our Federal Gov. they're surrounded with armed guards and 'yellow taped' in a box a mile away with a hill blocking the view.

[Kennah]

67. Has to be done

[wordpix]

68. Oh the poor widdle armed thugs are getting irritated by the fbi

So leave the refuge, already.