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Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:32 AM Jan 2016

Militia in Flint calls for justice in water crisis

Source: USA Today

Flint may have seen multiple rallies in recent weeks that called attention to the city's water crisis — but few if any were as surprising as a rally held by the Genesee County Volunteer Militia.

On Sunday afternoon, about 30 militia supporters clad in camouflage gear and bearing “Don’t Tread on Me” flags, gathered outside of City Hall to demand accountability amid a national discussion over how the city’s water supply became contaminated.

“We’re here to defend this community," said Matthew Krol, the militia's executive officer, addressing the crowd in a full camouflage outfit with a handgun strapped to his hip. “We’re not going to allow (the government) to step on the people of Flint any longer.”

He added: “If it means having to take up arms in defense ... we will do that as well.”


Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/01/24/militia-flint-calls-justice-water-crisis/79283964/



Just when you think you'd seen it all....perhaps Hell has frozen over.

Still, this is an interesting development. Imagine if all that anger and anti-government sentiment the militia nuts are harboring were to become channeled against officials breaking the law and seemingly getting away with it like the Michigan Governor who poisoned all those children.

Can vigilante justice be far behind?

Or...horrors for the powers behind the throne...what if the brainwashed masses have an awakening and figure out that some government regulation is a good thing (like regulating polluters) and that they may have some things in common with the oppressed people of Flint? If the right-wingers start calling for justice for Flint, that could be the start of a profound shift in thinking--and one that might be harder for the GOP to ignore.

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Militia in Flint calls for justice in water crisis (Original Post) Liberty Belle Jan 2016 OP
For fuck's sake. This situation is bad enough without idiots threatening violence against government Chakab Jan 2016 #1
Well if the government is committing massive violence against its own people? Cheese Sandwich Jan 2016 #3
But they're outside the wrong building!!! atreides1 Jan 2016 #6
Good point! If they were sincere, they would pull a citizen's arrest on the Gov. Proserpina Jan 2016 #7
But the TV cameras are in Flint! Screw the "militias". marble falls Jan 2016 #13
They are trying to rehab their Militia image. If they could have afforded to hire professionals Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #17
The first thing the professionals would tell them: "lose the firearms." marble falls Jan 2016 #21
They are all in on the Madmiddle Jan 2016 #15
+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #20
I think they thought it would be more likely to get camera exposure in Flint. eom Snotcicles Jan 2016 #24
No. These are not the good guys. We shouldn't let them play us. nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #2
Do these militia morons have biochemistry degrees? mdbl Jan 2016 #4
That's really helpful rjsquirrel Jan 2016 #5
DUzy! FailureToCommunicate Jan 2016 #10
Their lead poisoning is faster acting. nt Snotcicles Jan 2016 #25
I'm wondering. How does a group become a militia? montana_hazeleyes Jan 2016 #8
It's all in their heads........ lastlib Jan 2016 #9
Just ordinary American citizen trying to stop a genocide! Madmiddle Jan 2016 #16
When the Cliven Bundys of the country are not given so much as a slap on the wrist, Vinca Jan 2016 #11
Excellent thread guys.. busterbrown Jan 2016 #12
This is a damn good reason Madmiddle Jan 2016 #14
And The Jury Says: LovingA2andMI Jan 2016 #18
Looks like everyone on the left and right are in agreement Odin2005 Jan 2016 #19
No... These wannabe soldiers just want some Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #23
I don't get why people take up arms... Harriety Jan 2016 #22
a couple of things jumped out at me. Javaman Jan 2016 #26
Do they want the government to fix it and provide clean water? phantom power Jan 2016 #27
Well, where are WE? We should be making a LOT more noise than them - as someone in midwest Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2016 #28
Shoot the river! Trajan Jan 2016 #29
idiots mercuryblues Jan 2016 #30
Why is this bad? Sienna86 Jan 2016 #31
It's grandstanding... Earth_First Jan 2016 #35
Your ...........................Twilight Zone............Michigan, ............................now turbinetree Jan 2016 #32
presumably they also want the government to step out of the way and plow the roads MisterP Jan 2016 #33
They should be at the governor's mansion Kermitt Gribble Jan 2016 #34
 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
1. For fuck's sake. This situation is bad enough without idiots threatening violence against government
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:42 AM
Jan 2016

officials.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
3. Well if the government is committing massive violence against its own people?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:11 AM
Jan 2016

Don't people have a right to self defense? Poisoning a whole city might fall into that category I don't know.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
6. But they're outside the wrong building!!!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jan 2016

They should have been outside of the capital building in Lansing, not City Hall in Flint!!!

Are these clowns too stupid to realize that it wasn't the elected city government that made the decision, that it was an "emergency manager" created by the state legislature and appointed by the governor, who was responsible for this fiasco!

And I'm willing to bet that some if not all of this "militia" voted for Snyder and the Republicans!!!

Someone needs to give these idiots a map, showing them how to get to Lansing!

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
17. They are trying to rehab their Militia image. If they could have afforded to hire professionals
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jan 2016

to do it they would have I bet! Even if they did it wouldn't help, some causes are hopeless.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
15. They are all in on the
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jan 2016

criminal act. City Hall is as good a place to start as any. I back the militia all the way.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
8. I'm wondering. How does a group become a militia?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jan 2016

Do they get like official " I hereby appoint Y'all a militia." Or do they just claim to be one and that's that?

lastlib

(23,244 posts)
9. It's all in their heads........
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:20 AM
Jan 2016

Trust me, it's all in their heads.........(take that any way you want to.)

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
11. When the Cliven Bundys of the country are not given so much as a slap on the wrist,
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jan 2016

this is what you get. I'm sure all kinds of nutballs are inspired by the bird refuge group. In their opinion it's like summer camp only they get to be on TV, too.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
12. Excellent thread guys..
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jan 2016

You all nailed it on the head.

My mind tells me that this Militia was doing a little P.R. work..

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
14. This is a damn good reason
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jan 2016

to gather a militia. What is happening in Flint is a government that is attempting genocide, so a private water company can take over a city run water company, by murdering it's customer base. This is really happening, and this militia should round up thousands of more members!!

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
18. And The Jury Says:
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jan 2016

On Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:10 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

This is a damn good reason
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1324511

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a TOS violation - advocates of violent political/social change are not welcome here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:21 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I initially was going to vote Not to Hide, since the Alerted Post is not explicitly calling for violence and since I was giving the benefit of my doubts to the possible peaceful/protest intent of the militia. But then I read the quotes in the OP and followup.
Sorry, any avocation of armed violence in the absence of a direct, explicit and personal threat is unacceptable.

Hide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is one members thought about what they believe is a genocide occurring in Flint, Michigan and that opinion is not "over the top" by any means over lead poisoning an entire town.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Juries vote on the post not the TOS. I don't agree with the post but it's fair to discuss. Why don't you try it alerter.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I have mixed feelings on this. I share the outrage of the OP, but deplore the call to call for insurrection. Perhaps we DUers can educate the poster about the constitutional methods for dealing with those who have subverted the and replaced the elected government for their own ill-gotten profit and morally bankrupt ideology.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
23. No... These wannabe soldiers just want some
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jan 2016

of the media spotlight, since everyone is paying attention to Flint now...

Hell, a cheap, dangerous, market driven water system is like porn for the militia types who jack themselves off to Ayn Rand

Harriety

(298 posts)
22. I don't get why people take up arms...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jan 2016

when they don't even take the time to research who is responsible for the problem. Seems to me there's too many people getting trigger happy these days instead of figuring out how they can help fix it.


Javaman

(62,530 posts)
26. a couple of things jumped out at me.
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jan 2016

"He added: “If it means having to take up arms in defense ... we will do that as well.”

-so, they are going to defend what? clean water by shooting the lead filled water with...lead?

"The militia's Facebook page is filled with proclamations of gun rights, and also bears posts favorable to the armed militia that have been occupying an Oregon wildlife refuge"

-I'll just let that speak for itself.


-how about we allow the thinking people of the universe file charges against the state of Michigan? I know, crazy.


phantom power

(25,966 posts)
27. Do they want the government to fix it and provide clean water?
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jan 2016

Or do they want the government to "stay out of it?" Because these guys don't think like you or me.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
28. Well, where are WE? We should be making a LOT more noise than them - as someone in midwest
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jan 2016

rad right controlled gerrymandered state (Wisconsin) Ive felt all along that MI was just a few steps ahead of us.

Cant help but feel some camaraderie with Flinters (is that the correct word).

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
29. Shoot the river!
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jan 2016

SHOOT THE FUCKING RIVER! .. That'll teach it ...

Point of fact - Persian King Xerxes was so angry about the Hellespont River rising up and destroying his tactical bridges that he had all the bridge engineers executed ..

He also condemned the river itself to 300 lashes of the whip ...

Shoot the fucking river!

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
30. idiots
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

the government in Flint is exactly what they advocate for. I don't think they will see the hypocrisy in their new demands.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
35. It's grandstanding...
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jan 2016

It's pure unadulterated Public Relations.

No more empowering the militia movement in the United States.

Shut it down before it's too late!

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
32. Your ...........................Twilight Zone............Michigan, ............................now
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jan 2016





I guess they haven't figured it out yet that "they" got this entire criminal enterprise in FLINT and in Michigan get elected, with there help.

There principles are what, at the this moment?
Your about year and half to late, and about six years to late when this governor got elected, figure it out yet. Your part of the problem

Maybe they should be directing there anger at the simple fact they they have "city managers" running the governments, you know, in a lot of ways , no in fact, these "Don't Tread I me " hypocrites should have this squarely placed on there shoulders along with anyone and I mean anyone that voted in this corrupt legislature, Attorney General, Governor and the courts as well.

So before looking for blame------------------first of all look at your self in the mirror--------------you voted this hypocrite into office and anyone else and you supported this mantra and this quote:

"I'm a proud Republican - there's no issue with that at all, so why can't I be a proud Republican and just try to solve problems?"



Because, they, after all, they don't think that a government is legal unless the sheriff is running the show , look no further than the dead beats called Bundy---------------welcome to your Twilight Zone


You now have a problem that is self induced and man made------------------poisoning and deaths cause by contaminated water





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