Migrant fatally stabs Swedish refugee centre worker: police
Source: Yahoo News
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Stockholm (AFP) - A young asylum seeker on Monday allegedly stabbed and killed a female employee of the refugee centre for unaccompanied minors where he was staying in western Sweden, police said.
The 22-year-old victim was rushed to a nearby hospital but died of her wounds, police said.
Police would not comment on the identity or nationality of the alleged attacker, except to say that he was a young man who was a resident of the centre for 14 to 17-year-olds.
He was under arrest for murder.
"These kinds of calls are becoming more and more common. We're dealing with more incidents like these since the arrival of so many more refugees from abroad," police spokesman Thomas Fuxborg said.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/migrant-fatally-stabs-swedish-refugee-centre-worker-police-151706582.html?nf=1
Young woman was there to help refugees and she get repaid by being stabbed to death by one of them.
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redwitch
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A few incidents are all it will take for the refuge crisis to become completely unmanageable. People will harden their hearts and they will be unwelcome everywhere. So very sad.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)They want to put the Syrian refugees in my son's school auditorium...a school with from Grade 1 to Grade 4. What could possibly go wrong?
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)During the school year?
The refugees have been simply dropped off for the local towns to handle. Many are already staying at schools because they don't have any other options.
From our school newsletter today:
Belegung der Sporthalle
Gemeinde und Landratsamt führen derzeit Gespräche, ob in den nächsten Monaten Flüchtlinge in ------- aufgenommen werden können. Derzeit sind notch keine Entscheidungen gefallen. Wir werden Sie informieren, wenn wir mehr wissen.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Assignment of the sports hall
Municipality and district office are currently in discussions whether refugees can be included in ------- in the coming months . Currently have fallen notch no decisions . We will inform you when we know more .
xocet
(3,871 posts)Gemeinde und Landratsamt führen derzeit Gespräche, ob in den nächsten Monaten Flüchtlinge in ------- aufgenommen werden können. Derzeit sind notch keine Entscheidungen gefallen. Wir werden Sie informieren, wenn wir mehr wissen.
The community and the (county) district office are currently discussing whether refugees can be taken in during the next (few) months in -------. At this time, no decisions have been made. We will inform you when we know more.
coyote
(1,561 posts)It's an elementary school auditorium where the kids play their indoor sports.
Igel
(35,317 posts)Gymnasium in most European languages is more like lycee in French, an academically-oriented school.
In American English, at least, a "gym" is where you go to exercise, have a basketball court or weights. It's short for "gymnasium."
(Both borrowed from Greek, which didn't make a that kind of a distinction with all that "sound mind in a sound body" stuff that anti-intellectual American couch potatoes dismiss.)
Best to avoid that kind of translation, though, unless you're sure of your audience. Problem with "auditorium" is that in an American school setting it's where you get administrative speeches during assemblies, graduation, plays, and musical performances.
This room is both a gym and auditorium in the Grundschule. It's where the kids play, it's also where they have administrative speeches for the parentts or have assemblies.
xocet
(3,871 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"What could possibly go wrong?"
People could get too emotional to think critically and begin using logical fallacies such as 'Affirming the Consequent' as you just did.
coyote
(1,561 posts)You don't take 20-30 year old men from a war torn country and place them in the school auditorium with 6-9 year old children.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Simply answering your question without resorting to your hysterics and fallacies... 
get the red out
(13,466 posts)Of the murdered young woman will be accused by some in the world of "hysterics".
LisaL
(44,973 posts)auditorium with little children.
Would anybody here in US like if their school was used to house a bunch of adult males (no matter where they came from)?
branford
(4,462 posts)is only willing to take a limited number of very carefully selected and vetted refugee FAMILIES directly from the camps. Even this relatively minor and restricted policy has proven politically advantageous to Republican critics. If Democrats were to ever support anything remotely approaching what is occurring in Germany, whether the migrants were Arab, Latino or anyone else, it would lead to our Part'y's political oblivion.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that has friends and family impacted by this. I share your concern.
coyote
(1,561 posts)It basically says there is currently discussions going on as to whether to place the refugees in the school sport hall. The school will let us know when they have more information. I crossed out the town name with ----------. This came today.
With that said there are other towns in Germany already doing this.
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)to help with this.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Get to know them. The vast majority of Syrian refugees are scared, tired, and confused. Invite them to your homes for a meal. Invite them to community events. They are your new neighbors, and will need help assimilating into the community.
branford
(4,462 posts)nor aid in their assimilation. The suggestion is actually quit odd in light of the fact that the victim in the OP story was a young woman who worked with refugee children.
More importantly, that fact that Coyote's concerned that a very large number of "scared, tired, and confused" young single male refugees, regardless of their religion, will be housed within the school attended his very young children is neither surprising nor discriminatory. I would be troubled if any parent wasn't concerned, and that's all before factoring in some the recent, and quite horrible, news stories concerning the refugees.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)My point stands. The migrants aren't going away. They are now in Germany. The vast majority will remain in Germany, and become Germans. She has no "obligation" of course to do anything. I was posting a suggestion on how to make the best of what is currently a precarious situation.
branford
(4,462 posts)that significantly reduce the rate of migrants entering Europe and ensure the safety of their voting citizens, the right will ascend to power across Europe, and the migrants may indeed "go away."
The point of my earlier post was anger at the effective dismissal by some of Coyote's very legitimate and perfectly normal parental concerns. Not only would the potential situation he described at his children's school trouble any rational parent, it also demonstrates that the German national government was ill-prepared or competent to take care of the migrants they invited, and now they appear to be dumping the problem onto localities who have even fewer resources or expertise.
If the migrant problems worsen and/or gain more popular attention, regardless of whether incident only involve a small percentage of migrants, the resulting political impact will not be good for all the migrants, German and other European citizens, or faith or tolerance of a liberal, multicultural European Union.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Wow phlossy, that is indeed, a new low for you.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Uses reverse psychology in almost every thing they post about Muslim refugees, and also a huge dose of snark. It occasionally borders on insults.
You are sensible, making sensible arguments, philosslayer consistently plays the devils's advocate to the point of near ... well, you get it.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)if the town has no other options.
christx30
(6,241 posts)No one sends their kids to school until the migrants are removed.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Remember the German homeschooler situation.
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/08/23/3691609/german-asylum-seekers-ca/
But Germany has banned homeschooling since World War I and requires children to attend public or state-approved private schools. The government persecutes homeschooling parents and guardians with fines, imprisonment, and even forcible removal of children from their families.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Mahatma Gandhi
coyote
(1,561 posts)
pampango
(24,692 posts)Sweden in 2015.
http://www.thelocal.se/20160125/swedish-refugee-centre-worker-dead-in-stabbing
The right will play this up to generate more FEAR which, as always, benefits the right. Sweden, hardly a conservative country, admitted more asylum seekers, relative to the country's size, than Germany did.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)~ snip ~
"These kinds of calls are becoming more and more common. We're dealing with more incidents like these since the arrival of so many more refugees from abroad," police spokesman Thomas Fuxborg said.
The attack came as National Police Commissioner Dan Eliasson on Monday requested 4,100 additional officers and support staff to help fight terrorism, carry out migrant deportations and police asylum accommodations.
"We are forced to respond to many disturbances in asylum reception centres. In some places, this takes significant police resources. This was not the case six months ago and it means that we won't be able to respond as effectively in other areas," Eliasson told Swedish news agency TT.
~ snip ~
xocet
(3,871 posts)Av Ronja Mårtensson, TT
...
Rikspolischef Dan Eliasson kräver nu mer resurser av regeringen för att hantera trycket – sedan antalet asylsökande kraftigt ökat och lett till att många boenden blivit överfulla.
– Vi tvingas åka för att jobba mot oroligheter vid asylboenden i mycket större utsträckning än vad som kanske syns utåt. På sina håll i Sverige äter det här betydande resurser av polisens förmåga, säger Dan Eliasson, till TT.
Sverige behöver upp till 2 500 fler poliser och 1 600 civilanställda fram till 2020 och anslaget behöver 2017–2019 öka med mellan 1,8 och 2,8 miljarder kronor, enligt honom.
http://www.svd.se/15-aring-anhallen-efter-knivattack-pa-hvb-hem
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I don't make the rules.
xocet
(3,871 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I don't make the rules..."
You merely pretend they exist.
840high
(17,196 posts)in Europe.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)This influx has coincided with skyrocketing rates of rape and sexual assaults. I have read that Sweden now has the second highest rape rate in the world. That's incredible for a developed country. Like in Britain and most recently in Germany, the government tries to coverup and/or downplay the connection to the immigrant influx. In fact, In Sweden it is illegal to publish the ethnic or country of origin of the perpetrators.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 25, 2016, 05:12 PM - Edit history (1)
Swedish Feminists Thread Needle Between Sexism and Racism in Migrant ControversyA scandal over alleged sexual assaults by migrants puts Sweden—renowned for its gender equality and its liberality—in a difficult place
Though the facts of what actually happened at the festival remain unclear, the controversy has raised questions in Sweden about whether the Scandinavian country’s liberal political values had stifled a more honest discussion about how to integrate migrants from the Islamic world who might not share those values—even as the response of right-wingers fed accusations of racism.
It is not the first time that Sweden has had to deal with the uncomfortable intersection of racism and sexual assault against women. After sexual assault allegations were made against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange in Sweden in 2012, the country faced scrutiny over statistics that suggested it had one of the highest rape rates in the world. Right-wing organizations, such as the Gastestone Institute, have used this data as an indication of risk migrants pose to women. But Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention cautions against comparing crime data across countries, and attributes Sweden’s statistics to high rates of reporting rape, and a broadening of the definition of rape in 2005.
The attention on these particular assaults has put many Swedish feminists in an uncomfortable place. They don’t want to play down the very real threat of sexual violence that all men potentially pose, but they don’t want that threat used as a political weapons against refugees. “It is very dangerous to racialize sexual harassment,” says Tiina Rosenberg, a founding member of Sweden’s feminist party, the Feminist Initiative, and a gender scholar and professor at Stockholm University.
Other Swedish feminists agreed, saying that, while it may be good that it the national refugee crisis brought attention to the violence all women face, it is wrong to describe the problem as specific to refugees. “This kind of harassment and violence has been going on for a long time in every country,” says Gudrun Schyman, a Swedish politician and spokeswoman for the Feminist Initiative, “What is common is men.”
http://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-refugees/
Akicita
(1,196 posts)The protection of women from sexual assaults is way too important, especially in a country where rape is rampant, to be idealistic instead of determining the facts. Sweden is so politically correct that they don't even keep statistics(by law) of the ethnicity or immigrant status of the rapists. They prefer to keep their heads buried in the sand. Even the so-called feminists apparently.
pampango
(24,692 posts)the fight against sexism and racism. Feminists (and liberals in general) want to push forward women's rights and have done so for years, and quiet successfully in Sweden. I think it is natural to give second thoughts when confronted with a situation in which liberal causes - fighting sexism and fighting racism - normally not in conflict with each other, may not be as clear cut.
Conservatives have no such reservations. They have fought the progress of feminists for years, now they can pretend to be on their side for the greater cause (in RW eyes) of limiting immigration.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)only behind Lethoso. It is long past time to take the blinders off, quit downplaying the problem and causes, and put a stop to this abuse.
pampango
(24,692 posts)in the process.
branford
(4,462 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:30 PM - Edit history (1)
simply to not admit their political adversaries might be correct on a particular issue, it would not be unreasonable to question their commitment to feminist ideals.
Feminism need not, and should not, yield to multiculturalism. It's this cultural relativism that is unsurprisingly fueling the rise of the right in Europe, who will ultimately tolerate neither feminism nor multiculturalism.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Both are liberal concepts that the right opposes, as you say. RW populists love to simplify complicated issues and will tell you that you have to choose between feminism and multiculturalism. They don't like both of them so forcing the left to choose between them eliminates one or the other of the policies the right hates.
All immigrants (Mexicans or Muslims) are not rapists. Swedish liberals (indeed liberals in most places) value both feminism and multiculturalism. If they believe they can find a way to have both of these liberal policies, I will support them.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)If the immigrants were being blamed for non-existent rapes or if they were being falsely blamed for a sudden massive increase in rapes committed by native Swedes, that would be racism. But the rape epidemic is real and all evidence points towards the immigrants as being the cause.
Do you really think Chinese women in WWII should have felt "conflicted" about the widespread rape and sex slavery perpetrated by the Japanese because they didn't want to be racist towards the Japanese? That is just silly.
If Swedish feminists care so deeply about stopping rape what are they doing about it? Are they demanding that the government focus its resources on the problem, determine its root cause, and put a stop to it. Or are they so "conflicted" that they do little more than wring their hands.
I sure haven't heard much outrage or demands from them.
God help the women of Sweden. Nobody has their back.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Feminists can care about racism, just like people fighting racism can care about the rights of women. Liberals can care about more issues than the one that is most important to them.
The right in Sweden wants to portray all refugees and immigrants as rapists (like the Donald's opinion of Mexicans). It suits their agenda of banning immigration and refusing to accept refugees. Understandably Swedish liberals (including feminists) don't want to play along with the right's stereotypes.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)that no refugees are rapists from the left. I guess it comes down to what percentage of the fish in a pond have to be piranhas before you don't let your children go swimming in it. As I have had the horrendous experience of having a close loved one brutally raped my tolerance is low.
It is not about religion or race though. It is about culture. There is no corresponding problem here in the USA among Muslim men in general or fully assimilated American men of Middle Eastern or North African descent.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)those who insist that men from Syria and Algeria are as a group no more problematic than men from Sweden when it comes to gender relations are going to find themselves ignored as out of touch, with good cause. What boys learn, man practice.
Also, this:
pampango
(24,692 posts)Blending immigrant cultures, while maintaining a rule-of-law and protecting the innocent, is never as easy as just banning immigration and refusing to accept refugees. Hence the 'simple solutions' offered by RW populists like Trump and the Sweden Democrats.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)multiculturalism and demographics. It's great that countries like Norway are offering "how to avoid raping women" classes to migrant men from that part of the world, but that sort of thing dances around a pretty harsh reality--that a large influx of men with extreme patriarchal values and beliefs will have a negative effect on gender equality, and anti-Semitism for that matter.
An added complication is that there's not much of a way to sort out paperless refugees from paperless economic migrants.
Such an immigration program is going to create domestic losers no matter what, even if it's considered impolite to mention.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)is only enabling the RW.
pampango
(24,692 posts)of monoculturalism and immigrants/refugees. Multiculturalism (and other liberal policies) need to be implemented intelligently to minimize (you can't eliminate) the RW opposition.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)of citizens of Sweden/Germany/etc?
If women, and the GLBT community, and Jews will be harmed by increased immigration (not even touching the economic aspects) as is almost indisputably the case, selling multiculturalism and permissive immigration policies as an obviously liberal policy becomes somewhat untenable.
If the best multicultural approach would reduce the harm by 50%, the question is naturally why not reduce it by 100%? The answer as to why the immigration is worth the illiberal harms needs to be made in exactly those terms.
This is radically different situation than that which faces the US, where the immigrant populations tend to have a much stronger alignment with the prevailing societal values in the US and where there are much stronger cultural ties between the immigrants' places of origin and the USA. Furthermore, the US has the three best neighbors on the planet-the Atlantic, the Pacific, and Canada--to provide a buffer against mere economic migrants from areas with such a cultural mismatch.
To put a finer point on it, if Mexican society were like Syria or Iraq, Donald Trump's arguments would hold a lot more currency.
Or, to put an even finer point on it "I wish walking on the streets of Paris were more like walking on the streets of Cairo" said no Parisian woman ever.
pampango
(24,692 posts)interests of Swedes. (If the RW takes over in Sweden in the future, I am sure that multiculturalism will disappear along with immigrants and refugees.)
Obviously, multiculturalism is a policy that can be prioritized by a society; just as monoculturalism can be a policy. It is up to a society to balance a host of policies, including multiculturalism and law-and-order.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Decades of honest and sincere effort to build a society of gender equality, teaching sons to respect their sisters, listening to women and supporting them in homes and workplaces and public life, making impressive progress reflected in the quality of life and all statistical measures -- all totally discounted by these professional feminists.
Swedish men are no different than men raised to believe that women are second class humans, not to be listened to, to be treated as chattel akin to a cow, available to be abused at will. Men are men, they are all the same, no diff.
Luckily, there are other Swedish feminists in the article who are not afraid of speaking honestly:
Clara Berglund, of The Swedish Women’s Lobby, wants to take some steps to protect those values in Sweden, including mandatory education about gender equality for migrants. “We want education on gender equality for refugees. But when we demand this, we are countered by other feminist groups who say that when you make this argument, you are supporting anti-immigrant groups. We can have a generous refugee policy, and at the same time, have mandatory education. For some people, it is hard to combine these views because there is a big fear of being associated with anti-immigrant groups, to be thought of as racist, ” says Bergland.
“As feminists, we have to put gender equality and women’s rights first. As soon as there is a big challenge for society, it is always women’s rights and gender equality that is less prioritized. People are afraid that any voices saying that other cultures are less gender-equal would undermine the picture of Sweden as a welcoming and multi-cultural society. This kind of silencing that is going on is a barrier to Democracy.”
Gulan Avci, 38, a former Swedish MP for the center-right Liberal People’s Party and president of the Liberal Women Federation in Sweden, says that fear of racism is stopping Swedes from properly integrating migrants, and will also be dangerous for migrant women.
“Swedish politicians have not been successful in talking about the challenges that we meet with this big immigration to Sweden,” she says. “There is a fear in Sweden of being thought of as racist if you talk about these problems. These fears cause us to sweep these problems under the rug. This has been caused by xenophobic forces that are exploiting them…Sweden is a country that is afraid of conflict.”
Avci says moderates’ reluctance to talk about potential culture clash strengthens support for right wing groups. “When people don’t get answers, and the Swedish Democrats give the answers, then they trust them. People need to perceive that they are safe in their own society.”
I hope the Clara Berglund/Gulan Avci wing of Swedish feminism can become the prominent voice. Multicultural blindness pushes people into the arms of the right wing. Especially if people no longer feel safe in their own streets.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Akicita
(1,196 posts)I read on a DU thread today that Palestinians can't afford to have a conscience
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)person she was trying to help.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)We still have no idea if she was wearing perfume, wearing provocative clothing, or not following the simple guidelines of staying at least an arms length distance from the guy who stabbed her. So let's not go crazy in our assumptions that she's the innocent victim here.
(sarcasm btw)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Shaking my head at what gets excused around here. Somebody should have told all those Jews and gays in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s they should have just all become murderers and everyone would have been so very understanding considering.....
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A male. They should be stopped.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)RIP 
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'll be comforted when we apply the same contentions and criticisms consistently to our own country and its rape culture-- one far too often ignored, and even denied.
It is however, a wonderful excuse to use something we often trivialize here, and apply it elsewhere to better confirm our mistrust of the brown man.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)It's been my observation that rape is generally viewed as a pretty serious offense here. We just often times get tripped up by that pesky innocent until proven guilty rule.
I wouldn't want to be around anybody who trivializes rape and I can't think of anybody I know who does.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)They acted out of good intentions but did so too quickly and without proper plans in place. The result is a mixture of really good people and really crappy people all being lumped into one.
You have one side saying that you can't be worried about violence or culture clashes or else you are racist and then you have the other side saying that unless you agree that all muslim men are bad, violent and want to rape western women, then you are hiding your head in the sand.
The truth is that you have some awesome refugees with a real need who have risked their lives to live and you also have assholes who have no intention of integrating and will throw food back in workers faces demanding money instead and think nothing of raping a woman they deem themselves entitled too.....and then you have everything in between those extremes.
Rape has been a problem in refugee camps in Turkey for quite a long time. This was not something that just started in Europe. Refugees coming into europe need to be educated on the law in countries they are living in, they need to be taught the language and culture before they are thrown out into the population where they can be easy targets for radicalization or become victimizers of others.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts) hay rick
(7,624 posts)Promoting the right wing xenophobic narrative by helping publicize a single grisly incident. This incident should be a footnote to the story of the assimilation of REFUGEES. Yes there are problems- welcome to the real world. Also in the article: "... arson attacks targeting asylum shelters have also surged, with at least two dozen centres reduced to ashes or damaged by fire last year." Looking forward to your fair and balanced post on that part of the story.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)hay rick
(7,624 posts)A little bit of hate chopped up and served to the masses. Brown folks behaving badly- that's the story! Torching black churches or asylum centers for Muslim refugees may not be of equal concern to you.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)That's not really true. I believe both types of incidents should be reported and discussed. I know I've discussed how awful it is when xenophobic individuals carry out such acts. I'm curious why you think I don't. I also know that there's none, or at least very few people here on DU who defend or otherwise try to redirect the topic when such stories are reported here. So I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at with this.
christx30
(6,241 posts)unimportant footnote. Got it.
I wonder if her family agrees with you.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)This is a case of liberals pissing on liberalism thinking they are watering flowers. It's like saying women don't matter when men from a woman-hating culture need help, women should put up and shut up because women's safety doesn't provide the liberal cred that embracing an influx of people from a vastly different culture provides, it's politics gone wrong. Maybe European liberals will start telling women to dress modestly and be accompanied by a male family member when out, for the sake of liberal ideals of course.
Quantess
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http://www.expressen.se/gt/alexandra-mezher-22-mordades-pa-jobbet/