With All Precincts Reporting, Iowa Dems Show Clinton As Caucus Winner

[youceyec]

Source: TPM

All precincts in Iowa have now reported results in the Iowa Democratic caucus, handing Hillary Clinton a narrow victory, according to results published by the Iowa Democratic Party.

Clinton received 49.8 percent support and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) received 49.6 percent support, according to the Iowa Democratic Party's website.

According to the Des Moines Register, Clinton received 699.57 delegates and Sanders received 697.77 delegates.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-caucus

[daleanime]

1. Chicken dinner?

As I hear some one else say, want to flip a coin on it?

[californiabernin]

2. Heads or Tails?

[TBF]

6. It doesn't matter -

same answer.

[californiabernin]

28. Yep, toss up. n/t

[SunSeeker]

3. Yes they do!

[dorkzilla]

4. IT WAS YYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

SUCH A VICTORY FOR HILLARY!!!!! HUGE! IT’S OVER BERNIE BROS, YOU MAY AS WELL GO HOME!!!!!!

Or some such bullshit.

[PatrynXX]

7. They got sunk. Never heard of a tie in Iowa

I guess this is a first in Iowa. Never happened before. people money vs big money = Tie. O_O oops. naturally Wall Street I've been told is relaxed today. Momentum clearly one Bernie's side I didn't actually expect him to get it. let alone a tie. Had Hilly folks getting foul over the delegate count of 28 and 21 except technically it was 21 to 20 , the others were guesses , Some media was counting areas that hadn't fully reported hence the difference. NBC as of 2am est had it as 21 Hillary 20 Bernie and this was when I was sleeping. or trying. didn't quite work

[dorkzilla]

9. If Wall Street is relaxed today its because

...there are plenty of other Republicans they can give their money to.

[JohnnyRingo]

24. If you call down over 300 pts "relaxed"..

...I'd like to be your broker.

This whole nonsense that Wall Street is financing a democratic win is beyond absurd. Like most Clinton-leaning democrats, I greatly admire Bernie. Like most Bernie supporters, you despise Hillary as some kind of political Medusa.

Such intolerant disgust from his people is probably Sanders' biggest campaign flaw and why he'll never see the Oval Office. Fortunately, Vermont will retain a great voice in the Senate.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. As you demonstrate, Clinton's DU team spends lots of time characterizing Bernie supporters and

praising themselves. You generalize and berate a group of Democrats that is in Iowa statistically tied with your own while claiming to be the nice guys. It's a self serving little trope that simply does not hold up to scrutiny at all.

I'd say Hillary's margin of victory and her measure of grace in the win are both about as minimal as it can get without actually disappearing.

[JohnnyRingo]

59. I don't hear anyone in DU...

...describing Sanders a disgusting vile old man or calling him an outright liar. No one claims his wife has loose morals or that his children are calculating corporate demons. Questioning his policies is not the same as the Limbaugh scripted personal attacks on Hillary.

I began last year not caring much for Hillary the candidate. I was looking for an alternative, but the over the top attacks here made me feel for her and drove me into her camp. I actually stopped posting for months because of the pile on that resulted from pleas to stop the horrible comments on a democrat.

It's probably good that no one here works for Bernie's campaign because they're doing more to further Clinton's efforts than to win people over.

[Plucketeer]

50. Strictly strategically speaking

Wall Street CAN be supporting her in hopes she'll be the ultimate loser. There's many facets and slants to consider.

[RoccoR5955]

35. If a gnat's testicle is huge,

than you are correct. I see it as a win win. Clinton got a few more delegates, and Bernie came from a what, 40, 50, 60 point deficit to come within two tenths of a percentage point of a tie. That being said, I think that even though Bernie did not win the majority of Iowa delegates, I believe he did have a sort of victory, in that the press has to take him seriously now. Perhaps they will give him the air time that he deserves.

[YOHABLO]

65. ''sort of " really? It was a huge victory for Sanders! HUGE!!

[PatrynXX]

5. also known as a virtual tie by margin of error

being that SED's were guessed on how many. ours was 7 to 2 we could have argued for more. If we had known it was being won by a coin toss smh we would have. Nevermind there's still 8 going for Omalley so come March who knows. they could switch giving Bernie the victory in Iowa. The Omalley's all went Bernie in our Precinct

[youceyec]

8. this was not a poll!

lol. Margin of error only applies to POLLS! This was an election.

Nice Try.

[uppityperson]

41. No, "margin of error" does not apply only to polls.

Have you never read a technical journal result of an experiment? Have you never taken statistics?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

Margin of error is often used in non-survey contexts to indicate observational error in reporting measured quantities.

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/margin-of-error.html

margin of error


DefinitionAdd to FlashcardsSave to FavoritesSee Examples
Analytical technique that accounts for the number of acceptable errors in an experiment. The margin of error is put into place so that an individual can review results and then determine the level of accuracy of the experiment by taking this + or - margin of error into consideration. A smaller margin of error indicates trustworthy results and a larger margin of error means the results are not considered as accurate.

[pnwmom]

10. If Sanders had won you wouldn't be pretending this was a poll with a Margin of Error.

It was close, but it was a win.

[YOHABLO]

66. No it was not. It was a tie. A tie. There was no clear winner. Perhaps Cruz.

[pnwmom]

69. 23 delegates to 21. If Bernie finished ahead of Hillary, 90% of DUERS

would insist this was a win.

[ViseGrip]

11. Congrats to all in Hillary's camp. But winning with coin tosses, tied race to a man with no name rec

no organization or PAC's she should have trounced him. She didn't do that. she is in trouble in a general election...having media money name and orgs, and all those endorsements....she squeaked out a tie. Great! The back rooms are full of anger, and they don't know what to do. She had everything...and created no groundswell. Remember when she started she was at 63%. Bernie had like 2%. HE had the groundswell to do this, not Hillary. The big shots don't know what to do with this.

[SunSeeker]

31. She didn't win by a coin toss, she won because she got more votes.

As has been repeatedly noted by other DUers, the coin flips were for county level delegates to the state convention, which are a fraction of the 1405 delegate count, so your coin toss claim is bogus.

The final delegate count was 701-697. Each coin toss decided a precinct delegate, which was a fraction of each ONE of those. How small of a fraction? Not clear, but not enough to swing it, even if all 8 went a single way. So, the math bernie people are doing is like this:

701-6 = 695
697+6 = 703

Bernie should have won!

But each coin toss was a small fraction of ONE of those delegates, so IN REALITY it would look more like this, even if Clinton lost ALL the coin tosses:

701-.125 = 700.875
697+.125 = 697.125

(Or something substantially equivalent - it's difficult to tell what the actual fractions would be). In any case, the 1-1 identification of coin tosses with the 1405 is completely incorrect and uninformed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511122196#post6

Considering the shit that was dumped on Hillary just a few days before a primary, with that bullshit email story that she had to address rather than talk about actual issues (and Bernie going negative, helped by GOP super pac money against Hillary) the fact that she pulled out a win is a minor miracle. She was down in the polls in Iowa just a few weeks ago.

[appalachiablue]

47. +1. The 'apparent victory' (by an eyelash) as MSNBC is calling it, against a 'self-

described, 74 year old socialist and Independent' who came up 50 poll points in 6 months, is a win.
Yet as you say Clinton didn't trounce Sanders with her vast resources, name recognition and proclaimed superior experience including competing in Iowa only 8 years ago. Concur that the establishment is very concerned and will try to diminish Sanders, and am not certain that Clinton is strong enough to succeed now in a general election, unlike Sanders according to the thinking of some experts and polls.

*Gradualism, Status Quo and Centrism* is not an exciting, winning strategy for the majority of Americans IMO.

A party that expected a coronation is now running in a marathon.

[fbc]

12. so, 22 delegates each right?

not counting superdelegates, who haven't voted yet.

[itsrobert]

13. If you aint first, you are last

What happened? Online polls had Sanders winning by 30 percentage points. Sanders had hugggggggggggggggggggggggggggeeeeee crowds. Sanders was Trending on Facebook over Hillary 80 to 20. I am sure more than a few Sanders supporters woke up to a little reality this morning. But they will deny everything and claim Sander was victorious last night.

When will Sanders concede Iowa? Probably never. Sanders is just another politician.

[SunSeeker]

29. Yep. Classless move not to concede at this point. nt

[hughee99]

14. Can one receive .57 delegates? n/t

[SoapBox]

15. Not a winner takes all?

So she only got 1 or 2 more delgates?

[fbc]

17. no

I think they should each have 22, but I'm not positive.

Google is showing it as 22-21 right now, but there are 44 total:

https://www.google.com/search?q=iowa+caucus+results&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=D/2/short/m.03s0w/

[SoapBox]

25. So she may "win" with only 1 more delegate than Bernie...

From the screeching pronouncements, one would think she won the Billion Dollar Lottery.

Also considering, wasn't she supposed to sweep Iowa completely?

I'm pretty damned fucking happy with Bernie taking 50%!

(USA Today sounds like she was just elected President...by a landslide. )

[SunSeeker]

27. No, Huffpo reports Hillary got 28 delegates, Bernie got 21.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/primaries/2016-02-01

[mikehiggins]

42. superdelegates who pledged to her before the votes were even printed

HRC came out of the caucus with 22 as did Sanders.

[SunSeeker]

52. Link? Everything I've seen has Sanders with only 21 delegates. nt

[YOHABLO]

67. thank you for explaining that to the low info folks on here.

[d_legendary1]

34. But she won by .4%!!!

That means she's sweeping the floor with Sander's messy hair, don't 'cha know!!! Time to go home and let HRC run the show from here!

[Ellipsis]

16. ...

[harun]

18. Tie, and a tie goes to the underdog :-p

[SoapBox]

26. No but...

49.9% to 49.6%

That to most, is considered a tie.

[Blue_Adept]

19. She's the New England Patriots of politics!

There'll always be a * next to her wins.

[DebbieCDC]

20. Inflate (the "win") gate

Brady can give her the downlow on how to manage her deflategate when it comes

Feel the Bern!!!

[Blue_Adept]

22. Considering the stuff she went through last fall with the hearings...

I'm pretty sure she can handle it. Since, much like Deflate gate, there was nothing there.

[onehandle]

23. A win for the winning candidate!

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[Bernin]

30. Too Funny!

Watching the Hillary crowd in here celebrate coin tosses as a win. Smells like desperation to me.
Can't wait to hear your tune after She gets soundly trounced in New Hampshire.

[dragonfly301]

32. I guess it doesn't matter

but why hasn't this precinct reported? https://www.idpcaucuses.com/#/county/19071

[mountain grammy]

33. I support Bernie Sanders and I'm happy today!

[Wibly]

37. Hardly a win

Hillary has gone from being the presumed candidate, holding about 75% of the vote, to being the co front runner, holding less than 50% of the vote.
Meanwhile, Sanders has gone from polling 9% initially, to holding over 49% of the vote, and sharing front runner status.
Seems to me, Sanders has all the momentum.
I'd say the results are a win for him, and a troubling stumble for Clinton.

[sammythecat]

39. Exactly right

From the beginning until right now Bernie has been surging while Hillary has been sliding. That's the simple fact of the matter.

[7962]

38. Wow. What a landslide. Really. Really. Huge.

At least Bernie is calling it what it really is. Yes, she got 1 3/4 more delegates, but she was supposed to win easily.

[CountAllVotes]

51. It is called

Winning by the skin of one's arse.

Bottom's up!

[earthside]

40. An embarrassment for the Democratic Party.

Coin tosses?

Really?

The political reality, however, is that this is a big boost for Sanders who most Iowans and most Americans didn't even know six months ago ... and the "most qualified candidate ever" could only manage effectively a tie.

[Bernin]

43. Yup.

It was her's to lose and she basically did.

Wish some people would wake up and realize that's what she'll do in the general election too. That, and sink congress further into Republicant hands.

It's just a simple fact. The more anyone sees of her. The less they like her. She's a divisive, arrogant, ego maniac and it shows every time she opens her mouth.

[CountAllVotes]

44. We came, we saw, he died

Real classy, #1, the One.

[Bernin]

45. Certifiable

sociopath.

[SunSeeker]

53. Are you crying over the killing of Bin Laden?

Bin Laden was the sociopath, not Hillary or the Navy Seals who killed him. Hillary was not the only American happy that mass murderer was taken out.

[Bernin]

56. Thank you for your post.

It's yet another shining example of the fact one must be ignorant to support Hillary. You did not even have to watch the video. You could have just looked at the title and realized she was not getting her death fetish on about Bin Laden. But, rather, about Gaddafi.

Just own up to it. You only support Hillary b/c she is female.
You have no clue of her right wing, Neocon, corporate, Israel first policies.
And, you don't care.
You just want her in there b/c she is female.

[SunSeeker]

71. So you're crying about the death of Gaddafi?

The criminal who downed a passenger jet full of people?

Really?

[Bernin]

46. And oh, so honest too.

[CountAllVotes]

48. Good gawd

Certifiable liar ...

What else can one say after viewing this?

Scary as all hell IMO.

[Bernin]

49. +1000

[humbled_opinion]

62. + infinity.....

[DesertRat]

54. K&R

[trillion]

55. Is this true? Did Bernie get nearly half the Delegates? I'm at work so can't go crusin to see.

Does he keep them or is it winner takes all?

[ananda]

57. He keeps them.

I'm not sure about superdelegates, though.

[trillion]

58. Awesome, thanks!

[trillion]

60. Clinto got 370 delegates. Sanders got 34. I feel sick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
Wikipedia:

Iowa
Clinton total hard 23 (1%) soft/super 347 (49%) total delegates 370 (8%)
Sanders total hard 21 (1%) soft/super 13 (2%) total delegates 34 (1%)

[Liberty Belle]

70. outrageous - the superdelegate system needs to be scrapped;

bad enough to have Republicans steal Dem votes, but now Dems are stealing from other Dems. So this was why Clinton was so cocky in declaring victory.

[humbled_opinion]

61. Can we get a count on

the actual number of votes each candidate received? Maybe team Hills would be rethinking their claims of victory if they actually had true representative numbers. That's ok I hear the clamoring noise of it's a caucus ..... However, I think they fear such a number, and this less than 1/10 of 1 percent win as they call it would have triggered immediate recounts in any Democratic election. Team Hillary should be very worried indeed if the remaining states shake out similarly....

[YOHABLO]

68. From my understanding the Iowa Caucus has some whack-a-doodle procedures.

For Sanders to contest this would be very difficult. Simply put of course.

[madokie]

63. By way of head or tail

with coins that says on one side, head I win and on the other tails you lose.

At any rate the front runner status is no longer all Hillary.

I'm telling you she will pull out all stops to win this as this is accepting of a coin toss as a tie breaker is evidence of.

[YOHABLO]

64. There was no declared winner .. it was a tie at best. Sanders may have actually won.

But let's not sweat the small stuff. Hillary was not a clear winner and to say that she was is really really stretching it. (especially with that circus they called a caucus, whereupon some precincts did not get their votes tallied because the DNC wouldn't answer the phone, and then the coin toss. And of course you had these super delegates already in the Clinton camp. It all seemed so sketchy) The Clinton campaign is starting to tick me off. She had better play nice, because she's going to need our votes if she gets the nomination. Wouldn't it have been refreshing for her to acknowledge how close it was, instead of coming out and declaring herself a bona fide winner? Quite honestly, I think she is miffed that it wasn't a landslide. That's why she got on her plane and took off for NH.

Now, I'm going to go and donate some more money to the Sanders campaign ...............and so should you!

[SunSeeker]

72. Hillary was declared the winner by the Iowa Democratic Party.

With All Precincts Reporting, Iowa Dems Show Clinton As Caucus Winner

Source: TPM

All precincts in Iowa have now reported results in the Iowa Democratic caucus, handing Hillary Clinton a narrow victory, according to results published by the Iowa Democratic Party.

Clinton received 49.8 percent support and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) received 49.6 percent support, according to the Iowa Democratic Party's website.

According to the Des Moines Register, Clinton received 699.57 delegates and Sanders received 697.77 delegates.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-wins-iowa-caucus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141334520