Bill Clinton: Bernie Sanders Is No Obama

[big_dog]

Source: NBC News 2 hours ago

Former President Bill Clinton on Tuesday said that, as candidates, Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama have "traumatic differences" in appeal — and dispelled any notion that the Vermont senator could beat Hillary Clinton, his wife, in the race for the White House.

Bill Clinton told NBC News' Andrea Mitchell at a campaign event in New Hampshire that President Obama had a different feel than Sanders, calling the president "new, different." Barack Obama is not Bernie Sanders, let's not play games here," he said.

Bill Clinton argued that Sanders policy positions are a red flag from some Democratic voters, an issue that was not a problem between the Democratic candidates in 2008.

"Hillary Clinton and President Obama had enormous overlap on what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it," Bill said. When discussing Sanders' ambitious health care proposal last month, the 42nd president called it "a recipe for gridlock."







Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bill-clinton-bernie-sanders-no-obama-n509926

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R!

[KamaAina]

2. "traumatic differences"?

Dramatic, no?

[LuvLoogie]

13. Yeah, probably "dramatic"

A stuffed nose or tired speaking muscles will make onething sound like another.

[mike45567]

131. It's true, really.

Bill nailed it.
Bernie won't use the EPA to cover up the poisoning of our groundwater by fracking.
He wouldn't allow petro pigs to frack your property and then pump the gas into old wells at Porter Ranch creating an environmental disaster.
Obama and Secretary Clinton promote fracking just like Dick Cheney.
Not Bernie.
"Traumatic differences" sounds right once you consider these facts.

[mhatrw]

133. Yes, Bill. Clinton is a landline. Sanders is a smartphone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511127485

[Autumn]

3. Neither is Hillary, hell Hillary isn't even a Bill Clinton

[ChairmanAgnostic]

54. Not even close.

Every time she tries to use his playbook, she looks lame and unoriginal. The real Hillary simply cannot adopt his incredible ability to lie through his teeth and appear honest and forthright. Bill is one of a kind. Not necessarily a good kind, but still one of a kind.

[raindaddy]

68. There is nobody better than Bill Clinton at lying through his teeth while appearing sincere...

He's so good that "read my lips no new taxes" Poppy Bush see him as his “brother from another mother”.

[wildbilln864]

116. exactly! thank you. n/t

[dflprincess]

126. I think you may be confusing your Bushes

Poppy (George H.W.) sees him as the son he never had.

Jebbers and George W. probably see him as the one their parents always liked best.

[roguevalley]

127. Bill isn't the first black pres either. Obama has that honor. Bill wants everyone to dislike him

before this is over.

[raindaddy]

135. You're right, I'm confusing my Bushes!

Even Barbara loves em.. Bill's a Bush magnet!

[840high]

81. Truth.

[yourout]

4. No hes not......and I am damn glad. TPP by itself undid most of the good from....

Obama administraton.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. And it will be back under a Clinton administration

you can bet on that.

[Populist_Prole]

58. +1

Every word.

[markj757]

109. wow...really.....

Your post doesn't even make sense. All the amazing hard fought accomplishments of the Obama administration is somehow undid or diminished by TPP, which is actually one of the most progressive trade agreements ever negotiated. Really???

[Plucketeer]

118. Most of us here don't watch Fox

But more to the point - the TPP will "cancel out" alot of what Obama's supposedly rung up on his list of achievements. Hell, there's lots of folks already saying his "legacy" will primarily read: First Black President of the USA.
Sure, there's been some social justice trinkets along the way, but did we stop those illegal wars? close Guantanamo? do single payer health care? prosecute ANY bankster criminals??? go after torture promoters and war criminals???
Seven wasted years tryin' to APPEASE Boehner ane McTurtle into bein' his pals - in desperation finally pulling his executive pen out to piss some of them off. Seems the GOP "community" was able to resist his organizing efforts.

[markj757]

144. Actually....I'm black and I'm offended by that dumb ass comment

He has one of the most transforming legacies of any president in modern times, and the fact that he is black is irrelevant. From ACA, to Iran, to Cuba, to Lily Ledbetter, to Net Neutrality, Expansion of LGBT rights, Executive actions on Immigration and the environment, Paris Climate Agreement, saving the auto industry, wall street reform, Consumer Protection Agency....why do you think the Repubs hate him so f%$#ing much. It's not because he has been ineffective, it is because he has been so effective in moving this country forward with a progressive agenda despite repub obstructionism. Some of you Bernie supporters live in some fantasy world where you think this country and the democratic party as whole, will embrace Bernie's most socialist policies like Medicare for all, or that if Bernie was elected, he would somehow be able to accomplish more than what our current Prez accomplished with a repub house and senate for most of his time in office. That comment that primarily his legacy will read "First Black President" is something I would think an ignorant repub like Limbaugh would say, but to hear it it come from a Bernie supporter and I assume fellow Dem is so much more disappointing. I love Bernie, but I'm realistic about what he can accomplish, and the pushback he will receive for some of his policies. And unlike you, I think open constructive debate, and disagreement about those policies, is a good thing that should be welcomed, not belittled.

[Plucketeer]

146. Un-huh

After saying there'd be no "boots on the ground" again, guess what? This is on turf he swore he'd pull us out of the day he took office. I'm sure I can find a clip of that professment if you like. Seven years later we're STILL entangled in that mess. WHEN will we cease to pour copious quantities of blood and treasure onto those thirsty sands???

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

151. Stick around. Black folk aren't treated well around these parts.

Come to the African American and Barack Obama groups.

And welcome!!

[trillion]

120. OMG. Best never be so uninformed on this.

Please Listen to this clip from Democracy now. - 5 minutes would get you informed. You wouldn't be repeating Obamas biggest lie in office if you knew what it was. The TPP is NOT good for us.

This makes it very easy for you:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/1/7/transcanada_sues_the_us_for_15b

Start at 17:37 with Lori Wallach from Tradewatch.org.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

150. No, it doesn't make sense, does it? Obama has been one of the greatest presidents ever!

Sanders won't have that opportunity. He'd be a disaster!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

149. No he's not, and thank goodness. Obama has been one of the greatest presidents ever...

...Bernie Sanders will NOT have that distinction or honor.

I can't stand the Clintons, but here's something Bill got right!

Bernie is a fucking dreamer! Obama gets things done!

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. well thank goodness president Obama hasn't faced any gridlocks

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

15. I'd just say thank goodness he's no Obama.

At this point in time, I wouldn't be voting for him if he were, and neither would most Bernie supporters. We're Bernie supporters because we don't just want a 'third Obama term', we want someone to fight for us, not offer us up to make crappy deals with insane Republicans.

[NRaleighLiberal]

16. .

[forest444]

30. The TPP alone makes looking for a non-Obama worth it.

It expected it from Mitch McCocaine and the rest of the sociopathic Rethugs; but seeing Obama come out in favor of this vicious corporate power grab was disappointing beyond words - especially coming from a former community organizer who saw, first hand, the destructive effects of globalization on working-class communities.

[rury]

83. President Obama still fights for us

And if Sanders somehow manages to get elected president and has a Republican Congress like Obama has now, he'll have to make some "crappy deals with insane Republicans" as well.
Obama has to compromise often because a lot of immature, unrealistic Democrats got angry because they didn't get a friggin' unicorn so they skipped the midterm elections and the cracked teapots grabbed control of Congress.
If Sanders wins and has a GOP Congress, I'll have to check back on this site and see if the BernieBots become disillusioned with his "crappy deals" as quickly as they did with Obama's lack of a magic wand.
For the record, I'm not a Hillary supporter either. She lost me in 2008 when she, Bill and their minions let out their quite audible racial dog whistles against Obama.
I'll be writing someone in on my primary ballot - not Bernie, not Hillary, not O'Malley.

[cannabis_flower]

106. Obama has done some good things but..

He's been a real disappointment on a number of issues.

[Third Doctor]

125. I have to agree.

I agree with several things he has done but I can't get behind the TPP. He seemed to ignore the people who put him in office in order to make nice with the very people who wanted to destroy his presidency. That is a betrayal.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

137. Most of the good through executive orders.

It's mainly how far to the right he STARTS his negotiations with the Repubs that has ticked me off, because it always means we get worse deals at the end than we should, and keep moving things farther right, rather than at least actually keep them centered.

[cannabis_flower]

138. Exactly

You don't try to sell a car by advertising the lowest price you will take.

[geek tragedy]

112. President Obama is very popular amongst Bernie supporters.

I remind you that DU does not reflect anything but DU.

[swilton]

115. Bravo!

[PoliticAverse]

6. The problem, as we saw in 2008, is neaither is Hillary Clinton. n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

7. He's right. Sanders has never described himself as a Reagan Democrat. He is a Democratic

Socialist. Also, Sanders has decades of service to the American people where he has fought against money interests control over our government. Also, Sanders wants single payer where as Obama never even fought for a public option for the ACA. Also, Sanders has voted against trade agreements that would lose more American jobs. He's right. Sanders is not Obama. That is a good thing.

[bkkyosemite]

8. Bill you want to be first man that is what you are really saying.

[JonLeibowitz]

9. Why should we take Bill Clinton's word on Obama?

Tim Russert told me that, according to his sources, Bill Clinton, in an effort to secure an endorsement for Hillary from Ted Kennedy, said to Kennedy, “A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/10/lets-be-friends

[emulatorloo]

35. Too much hearsay for my taste. Mr. A told me that Mr. B said that Mr D said 'arglebargle' to Mr K

I never found that very compelling, to many people saying what other people said. Hence I am skeptical Clinton said that.

[JonLeibowitz]

44. Did Kennedy deny the story?

[emulatorloo]

48. Why would Kennedy bother addressing gossip and hearsay?

Besides I am not certain when that claim was first made? Was he still alive?

Anyway, my comment's just an aside. Not worth belaboring. Has always seemed like disinformation to me.

[JonLeibowitz]

50. Understood. And I believe the remark became public during primary season. Could be wrong.

[INdemo]

46. Bill Clinton used racist attacks against Obama. Bill was

the one that started the Rev Wright issue trying o bring Obama down..like Hillary then as is Hillary now she cannot run her campaign on issues but she has to attack as she is attaching Bernie now. She tries to copy cat the issues Bernie is talking about
but she fails miserably.
Bill for your information...last week Hillary said "Single payer was never going to happen" and just yesterday in Iowa she said she would work toward single payer healthcare during her self proclaimed victory speech.

Hillary is farther to the right than Romney.Hillary is the female version of Mitt Romney and the Princess of the 1% and Chris Mathews you can come out now...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

56. Precisely.

[ananda]

10. Hell no! That's right!

Bernie Sanders is a liberal Democrat!

[floriduck]

11. Billy's right. Bernie is not a fairy tale. nm

[INdemo]

69. Bill cant give those 200,000 speeches anymore if Hillary is elected so he will have

more free time.....but at that point Hillary probably wont care.

[bunnies]

99. And Obama is/was?

I'm all ears.

[floriduck]

100. That was a Bill Clinton quote in 2008 about Obama.

Better talk to him.

[bunnies]

102. I remember that.

I missed the sarcasm. Been a long 24 hrs.

[floriduck]

108. I hear ya. It's all good.

[TwilightGardener]

12. He doesn't have to be.

[thereismore]

14. Because Obama was the absolute biggest fairytale, and Bernie is not as big a fairytale? nt

[peacebird]

17. You are right Bill. He is a real left wing progressive who will fight for we the people.

Bernie wanted to bail out Main Street, Obama chose bailing out banks and car companies
Bernie wants to take on Too Big to Fail and break them up, Obama does not.

All in all I prefer Bernie over the big dawg, and while i love Obama I truly prefer Bernie's positions.

[swilton]

117. Another case of nail meeting hammer

[awake]

18. News flash Bill Clinton Is No Obama as well

and even though he call himself the 1st Black President he was not Obama is the 1st Black President and Bernie will be our 2nd Democratic Socialist President because FDR was our 1st Democratic Socialist President.

[roguevalley]

128. Mr. NAFTA-Private Prison-etc has an opinion on Bernie. Amazing.

[gregcrawford]

19. Just go home, Bill...

... maybe have a cigar. Some of the worst problems this country is facing are YOUR fault, so it's time for you to STFU. You want to sing your wife's praises, go right ahead, but don't you DARE criticize Bernie Sanders after all the harm you have done. Don't you dare.

[NurseJackie]

36. Good grief.

[gregcrawford]

75. So let me make sure I understand...

... you think NAFTA was a good idea? "Welfare Reform" that impoverished those already on the edge was good policy? Abolishing Glass Steagall to empower "Too Big To Fail" was visionary? I beg to differ.

[appalachiablue]

124. +10

[polly7]

52. +1000. I would feel the same! nt.

[appalachiablue]

123. +1

[Dont call me Shirley]

20. Traumatic differences?! Obama is a Reagan Democrat. Sanders is an FDR Democrat. The trauma

is in the damage the Reagan "Revolution" has done to the people of this country, the damage of which Sanders has worked to repair for the last 30 years.

Undo the traumatic Reagan "Revolution". Return America to FDR Progressive policies that work for all. That's the ticket, bill.

[arcane1]

21. Damn right. He's even better!

[big_dog]

24. well played

Bernie did a terrific job in Iowa, no doubt

[cyberswede]

22. I agree. Sanders is a liberal. nt

[thereismore]

23. In other words, don't elect Sanders because republicans wouldn't like that. nt

[christx30]

38. Wall Street wouldn't be happy about it either.

I'll be voting for Sanders in the primaries, and hopefully in the General.

[murielm99]

130. They would love that.

They would massacre Bernie with a landslide in the general.

[CharlotteVale]

25. I think Bernie, like Obama, could beat a Republican. Hillary notsomuch.

[Politicalboi]

26. Bernie didn't have to be Obama to almost whip Clinton's butt last night.

That's the beauty of this "loss".

[jalan48]

27. Now, was Bill saying this as part of one of his $250,000 speeches or was this a freebie?

[JudyM]

45. He gets as much free airtime as he wants. I expect we're going to see a lot more of him. Nt

[roguevalley]

129. and he will fuck it up just like he did to Obama. Expect awfulness from Bubba

[Live and Learn]

29. Nope, Obama was good but Bernie is better. Better than Obama is exactly what he is. nt

[Purveyor]

31. Was he wagging his finger at us while proclaiming such? eom

[trillion]

32. Thank God.

Obama was Hope the first time I voted for him, and the least evil the 2nd.

I think Bernie is real.

[elleng]

33. Well isn't that nice to hear?

[Helen Borg]

34. A President can do a lot without Congress, Billy...

It's just a matter of conviction...

[cui bono]

37. He's BETTER!!!

FEEL THE BERN!!!


.

[Gregorian]

57. I like how you think.

After all, it is true. And I admire Obama.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. Did he really want to say that?

[guillaumeb]

40. Bill Clinton was a failure as a President. In my opinion.

Since leaving the office, he has run after money like a poor boy determined to never be poor again. His legacy is one of corporate pandering and attacks on the 99%.

I italicized legacy but I wish that there was a recognizable sarcastic font.

[maxsolomon]

155. Please name the last President that WASN'T a failure in your eyes

FDR?

[guillaumeb]

160. William Clinton ventured his opinion.

Given his past actual history as President, rather than the revisionist history promoted by some Democrats, my opinion is that his policies were a failure for Democratic voters, Republican voters, and all voters who are not in the top 1%.

NAFTA,
Welfare reform,
Prison reform,
500,000 dead Iraqi children as a result of the sanctions, and I could continue.

My post did not say that every President has been a failure. William Clinton is merely continuing the conservative Democratic tradition that he felt best represented his chance to be elected President.

[maxsolomon]

162. I'm genuinely curious to know what constitutes success to you.

I suspect there are no Presidents that can live up to the high standards of today's DU, because every US President must compromise with the most radical, loathsome, reactionary party that any Western Government has to contend with. Clinton did, and now he's a failure.

But even Sanders will have to, just to pass a budget.

I know you could continue to list Clinton's sins, because so could I. It's not Rocket Science.

[guillaumeb]

163. Working to promote the general welfare, rather than corporate welfare.

FDR worked for it. Truman worked for it. Eisenhower worked for it. Two Democrats and a Republican. Well, a Republican in name.

What helped was:
1) the very high marginal tax rates that discouraged financial speculation in favor of actual job creation.
2) The fact that Congress actually worked because the members knew that compromise was necessary.
3) Wages and rates of unionization were all relatively high. Given that the GDP is 70% consumer spending, anything that increases income for the greatest number increases the GDP.

Then the US entered a state of constant war. War diverts resources and has done so since 1963.

My views. And yours? Who, in your opinion, was a successful President?

[maxsolomon]

164. I'd agree with your assessment

although I can list distasteful choices each of them made.

I can't think of one Democrat I'd say was a failure, except Carter because he failed to be re-elected. And I consider him a Saint.

[guillaumeb]

173. Carter was a victim of GOP treason. In my view.

How else can the Iran-Contra affair be described?

Prior to the affair, Carter was actually polling higher than Reagan.

[azurnoir]

41. He says that like it's a bad thing

but please Bill keep campaigning for Hillary

[Scalded Nun]

42. That sure is strange

In 2008 I do not recall him talking about all of the 'overlap' between Obama and Hillary.

[humbled_opinion]

43. Yes but how come he didn't say.....

Hillary brings a history of Drama, including my own indiscretions, and Baggage, i.e. her inability to properly protect classified information, to the GE and Bernie is Drama and Baggage free?

[SmittynMo]

47. A recipe for gridlock?

What part does Bill not get? Yes they are completely different. They'll both have to deal with gridlock. And I'm guessing just because her issues do not offer gigantic returns, it'll pass? Guess again. They will attempt to stop her worse than Obama. The GOP hatred for Hillary is just as bad, if not worse. This is why Bernie calls it a revolution. We need to continue to keep people involved in politics to get the deadbeats out of office, who will be there, no matter whom is elected. Therefore I feel Bernie will have a better chance to succeed.

[SHRED]

49. From the man who signed NAFTA and

...Graham-Leach-Bliley Act which was a green light to the banksters.

Hey Bill.

[PatrynXX]

51. good. and Hillary isn't you bill n/t

[SHRED]

53. Correct. He'd never sign the TPP

[Jarqui]

55. from the article, Slick Willie:

"I think in a way this Iowa thing is a very good thing because it enables us as citizens now to focus on what their differences are,"

Sure thing, Bill, you & Hillary looked absolutely delighted last night:


Bernie has been campaigning since May. Bill, why couldn't citizens focus on their policy differences between then and Iowa?

[polly7]

66. Maybe he believed all the Sanders as unelectable, sexist, racist, etc. dirty stuff,

the near-media blackout, and lack of debates had done the trick and Sanders really would have no support. I bet they're shocked today, so had to come up with something new - "suddenly, Sanders has entered the race to talk about issues we've wanted to all along".

Also, why are they both sucking on lemons in this pic?

[Jarqui]

70. I think the opposite. I think they & he knew exactly what Bernie was about,

tried desperately to take him out and failed.

They seemed to throw everything they got at him.

[polly7]

71. Oh I think they do and always have (and are terrified of him) ..... I'm just saying they wanted

everyone else to fall for all they threw at him and believed it had worked.

Sorry, I had worded that badly.

[JohnnyRingo]

73. Isn't that a bit dishonest?

Picking the precise moment for a screen grab a dirty campaign trick that dates to the advent of the internet. You aren't fooling anyone except other Bernie supporters with that.

See how that works?



Calling Bill Clinton "Slick Willy" is a republican nickname for one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century.

[polly7]

74. That poster's is the picture that was going all around the web this morning.

Very doubtful he/she screen-grabbed it.

[JohnnyRingo]

78. Using it here to claim the Clintons are defeated it is like...

..using Facebook to repost that doctored picture of Obama kissing another man. It's juvenile and misleading.

[polly7]

79. Oh whatever. It was the only one 'I' saw of them from last night until

you brought yours here.

How is two people looking glum ANYTHING like the racist, homophobic photo you're referring to?

Good grief.




Curious .... do you have an answer to the question asked under the photo?

[Jarqui]

82. Well no. Did you watch the video?

It's a little like the Hollywood red carpet: smile for the cameras.

Compare their video with Sanders. Euphoric cheering from the Sanders group - and smiling in the background while it was a far more subdued and solemn gathering for Hillary.

Hillary "So, I stand here tonight breathing a big sigh of relief ..."

She had claimed victory but they were not absolutely sure at that point in time - they couldn't be - it was too close to call.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/02/02/13-quick-takeaways-from-the-2016-iowa-caucuses/

Her “victory” speech was the most depressing of the night. The body language on the stage said it all. Clinton’s daughter Chelsea gave her a comforting — almost pitying — hug. Clinton’s husband Bill looked sad and had trouble keeping his mouth from sagging. The crowd was dejected. Clinton herself was tense, yelling at voters in seeming anger.

Short speech and they got the heck out of there.

I think the picture I linked was fairly representative of the moment.

[frylock]

93. Is this picture here a little less dishonest enough for you?

[Triana]

59. Neither....

...is Hillary.

[dorkzilla]

60. LOL, I’m LOVING the responses to this OP!

I’m sure the opposite reaction was intended, but wasn’t what they got!

I’m SO FUCKING GLAD that Bernie isn’t Obama...he’s BETTER than Obama in that he won’t be selling Americans out to the “vested interests”.

[Todays_Illusion]

61. Bill Clinton is so tarnished in retrospect he ought to be kept in the closet. As for the Obama

comparison, that is a big part of Bill's retrospect. First there is the personal behavior issue. Also, President Obama has not given into every Republican demand and has managed to inject some decided liberal policies into his Presidency such as that minimum wage increase to the employees of government contractors. Serious sentencing and criminal justice reform, when Clinton made it worse.



So Bill, sshhh is your best option.


And Bernie Sanders is not running as Barack Obama, and thank goodness he is not running as Bill Clinton.

[happynewyear]

97. No kidding!

I would I would OH yes I would.

[SoapBox]

62. And thank gawd Bernie is NO Clinton!

Wild Willie...you need to shut your pie hole.

[ozone_man]

63. Coming from the president who gave us the Great Recession.

Thanks Bill! Your repeal of Glass-Steagall is a gift that keeps giving!

[HomerRamone]

65. He did not "dispel any notion that the Vermont senator could beat Hillary Clinton"

he TRIED to dispel it. Together with "traumatic" instead of "dramatic", what is with this reporter?

[Gothmog]

67. Bernie Sanders is not Barack Obama

The Big Dog is correct in his assessment

[Ikonoklast]

72. And neither Clinton gives two shits about any real Democrats.

Go away Bill.

We all know where your loyalties lie, and it isn't with anyone who works for a living.

[Dems to Win]

76. Keep talking, Bill. You were so helpful to Hillary in 2008.

Keep on reminding people that the very best idea the Democratic Establishment can come up with for the 2016 election is to return the same married couple to the White House that left it 16 years ago.

Remind us how fun it will be to go from No-Drama Obama back to All Clinton Drama, All the Time.

[LiberalElite]

77. Ok that's fine -

I don't want another moderate Republican disguised as a Democrat. That's why I'm voting for Sanders in the first place. Chill, Bill.

[trillion]

119. +10000

[Tab]

80. Them's fightin' words

I know Bill is biased but still... that's kinda harsh.

[Jackilope]

84. so slimy. It makes me wonder ...

... if House of Cards Frank and Claire Underwood aren't modeled or inspired by the Clinton duo.

Bernie is leaps and bounds ahead of either of them in terms of trustworthiness. Far better than Obama, he won't put Social Security on the table or try to push the TPP on us.

Go scratch your fleas elsewhere, big dog.

[truthisfreedom]

85. One could say Obama's no Bernie.

Bernie's ideas are way more progressive than Obama's.

[roamer65]

86. No more Bu$hes and no more Clinton$.

I've had enough of them.

[onehandle]

87. The gloves come off. This isn't 2008. Bye-bye, 'Not Hillary' Party.

Hillary was not my first choice in 2008, but she is in 2016.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

134. Agreed about the gloves coming off.

No prisoners, no mercy, and no rest for liars.

[yodermon]

88. Would love to hear Hillary's plan to avoid gridlock with congress

how will she improve on Obama's situation?

[iamthebandfanman]

89. Someone has apparently gotten scared over there. n/t ;)

[geek tragedy]

90. Hillary ain't no Obama either.

Neither is as good a candidate as Obama.

[frylock]

91. But Hillary is still Hillary, and he knows that more than anybody!

I can't imagine how shite her internals must look if this clown is borrowing talking points from the Hillarians!

[mahina]

92. Oops. Lols. Yes, true.

Tone deaf faux pas.

I never piled on our president: I love him and understand his struggle.

Not everybody feels that way and many would see Bills criticism as an accolade.

[rpannier]

94. I see

So I guess he is saying that Sanders is not the Rev Jesse Jackson whom Clinton accused Obama of being like (in a derisive way)

[Gore1FL]

95. In other news, Hillary is no Bill n/t

[TryLogic]

96. What else would Billy say?

Bernie is no Billy either. Bernie has integrity way beyond what Billy has.

[WestSeattle2]

98. Anyone else catch Bill last night, standing behind Hillary while she gave her post-election speech?

I thought he appeared to be medicated - definitely not all there. Is he okay?

[orpupilofnature57]

104. Guilt ? Apologetic ? Doing his loving husband job? Forced happy ?

[orpupilofnature57]

101. Isn't promising things to get elected, I ran to vote for him the first time, the Second was a lesser

of two evils, not again. And Bill Hillary is no Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Earned it .

[AzDar]

103. Thank JEEBUS.

"Traumatic" ?

[californiabernin]

105. Same tired old talking points. He didn't help her any when she ran last time, either. eom

[Zen Democrat]

107. Just as Bill and Hillary are No Obama. Obama towers above them both.

In fact, I've never felt the same about the Big Dog since his racist anti-Obama remarks in 2008 South Carolina. He did a lot to redeem himself with the Convention speech, but it's not the same. Obama has my heart.

[MurrayDelph]

110. Bill's "help" was

one of the things that cost Hillary the nomination.


And they are still using much of the same playbook. I remember her using the "Campaign in Poetry, govern in Prose" line as a reason to not vote for Obama.

[Wibly]

111. No Kiddin'

Know who else is no Obama Bill?
You. Neither is Hillary. Nor is Cruz, Trump or Rubio.
There's only one Obama Bill, and its Obama.
Meanwhile, what do we expect the husband of Sander's opponent to say?
Do we really expect him to suggest his wife's opponent is a better choice than his wife?
Come on people.
And come on Bill.
Seems to me, you were saying your wife was going to win right up until she lost last time Bill.
Deja Vu man!

[onecaliberal]

113. Well, Hillary is no democrat. Sanders has been called worse by much much better than him.

[maxsolomon]

156. Technically, I believe you are incorrect.

She is a member of the Democratic Party.

Or do you mean that she opposes the Democratic form of government? Or maybe that was just a "No True Scotsman" slight?

[onecaliberal]

158. She's a republican clerverly disguised as a Democrat.

[maxsolomon]

161. Ah, so No True Scotsman, then

Maybe the Democratic Party is not what you think it should be.

She's far to the Left of any modern Republican, but she will make compromises you'll find unacceptable. Just like every Democratic President is forced to do in the course of governing. Even Sanders would make them.

[onecaliberal]

165. The party left those who think we shouldn't have 26 million un-insured

shouldn't cut SS, shouldn't have 62 people with the same wealth as 3.4 billion. I could go on, but frankly I am a little appalled that would be okay with any so called democratic candidate.

[maxsolomon]

168. And frankly I'm a little appalled at the level of Clinton hate I'm seeing on DU

and I'm not even that big of a Clinton backer. I'm keeping my eyes on the prize: no Republican in the white house ever again in my lifetime. I'd take a Clinton any day over that situation.

odds are she's going to get the nomination, and what's going to happen then? will you all make nice, or will you sit on your hands come election day?

[onecaliberal]

169. I've never sat on my hands, you don't even know me. I damn sure won't vote for the same stupid

Fucking crap that leaves 26 million without healthcare, that's fine with 62 people holding more wealth than 3.4 billion. People who send other folks children to war and then fail to care for them when they return damaged. People who think others should work 40 hours a week but still live in abject poverty. People who don't care that millions of parents will tell their children they have no food for dinner. People that are fine with outrageous cost for higher education, people who send jobs and money overseas because they profit from the cheap labor in other countries leaving our job market destroyed.
I'm done being nice, I'm done with the god damned status quo in this country and with so called dems who think there is nothing wrong with these things because they have everything and they are comfortable.
/rant

[maxsolomon]

170. OK, Great. I'm tired of it too. So is everyone on DU, or they wouldn't be here.

I hope you don't stroke out when America refuses to change fast enough. The Constitution is designed to prevent radical change no matter how hard we want it. It will take time, and several SCOTUS judges, to make things better.

I'd simply like to see some moderation in the anti-Clinton rhetoric. I'm feeling like 2000 redux over here.

[onecaliberal]

171. You should tell the mother whose

Kid is dying of cancer while she can't get treatment because of our healthcare system to just wait until people like you get around to giving a shit about them. I have no more time for this level of selfishness. Enjoy the dust bin

[ohnoyoudidnt]

114. Correct. Hillary is no Bernie Sanders and that's just fine with me. nt

[GoneOffShore]

122. Can I rec your post?

[Sunlei]

121. Neither of them=Obama, but as a Team they come very close, especially if the team calls O for advice

[Stainless]

132. I'm so happy that Bernie Sanders is no Obama!

It's precisely why I prefer Bernie for POTUS and not Hillary!

[ErisDiscordia]

136. Not a Clinton, either

Two more good reasons to vote for Bernie.

[dmosh42]

139. No sellouts to big business, unlike Obama or Clinton! What a Dem used to be.

[Lizzie Poppet]

140. Another reason I support him, Bill.

Undeniable successes notwithstanding, Obama has been a disappointment to no small number of people in the progressive camp, me included. The day of "system" politicians who work to retain the status quo is ending.

[freebrew]

141. Bill, you're no Bernie Sanders!...nt

[Xyzse]

142. I agree with Bill in this...

Bernie is a heck of a lot better than Obama while running for President.
The differences for me to note are as follows:

-Bernie has been in his nation-wide position for quite a while and has a proven record. During the time Obama run for President, he had only a few years in the Senate, and one of the many reservations I had from Obama was that I could not figure out his voting record. In controversial issues he would vote "Present" rather than a "Yay" or "Nay", and in that instance, I felt like his work in the Senate was over-shadowed immediately by his running for the Presidency.

-Obama governs from the middle, he triangulates what he thinks he can get, then works towards that. In better times, and more enlightened opposition, that would have been great(though perhaps it is arguable that his strategy may have been the best for the time). Unfortunately Republicans went the deep end on him, and they were unwilling to negotiate no matter what, asking for more and more, which allowed them to push for crazy ideas that the Republicans themselves would not have considered prior. They have become radicalized far more as they found they could get away with more stupidity. I don't consider this Obama's fault, but in Bernie, I see notes of Bernard Shaw and Robert Kennedy in the quote "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" I appreciate Obama's efforts, and he has accomplished quite a lot more than I expected. Many great presidents are not looked upon by their prior experience, but how inspirational they could be... As such, I see potential.

-In regards to their method of campaigning, very different. My only issue though is that some of his supporters could be very aggressive. Scares me a bit. Actually that goes with Both Clinton and Sanders really, but at this time, I can appreciate that both do reach out to their supporters to try to alleviate that, trying to go for the issues rather than just attacks. I hope that continues.

There are many more differences, but the key to me, was that when Obama first started campaigning for President, he rode a wave of good will, and I feel much of it was attributed to his personality and the potential due to his personal background, while with Bernie, it is his record and policies that caused the excitement.

I much prefer the latter.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

143. "Hillary Clinton and President Obama had enormous overlap on ....

what they didn't want to do and how they wanted to not do it."

Yeah, that's right, thanks, Bill!

[alarimer]

145. And neither are you, Bill.

Obama at least knows how to control himself around interns.

[maxsolomon]

147. I must be the only one left on DU who still likes President Clinton

he's advocating for his wife. do you expect him to remain neutral? he's not doing this for HIS ego, he's doing it because he loves her, and he owes her big time. yes I said he loves her. prove he doesn't.

the Clinton era wasn't the scorched hellscape you all seem to think it was. it may not have lived up to your ideals, but nothing ever will. it was a damn sight better than the shit presidencies that bookended it.

be Democrats first, Sanders Partisans second.

[MatthewStLouis]

148. No kidding, Bill.

I'm glad Bernie is different. Obama tried to get Republicans to play with him, and look where it got him! He is just now starting to realize they don't want to collaborate. They aren't interested in helping anyone but themselves. We NEED someone who will call them out on that, not look the other way. I'm not saying Hillary is anti-regulation or beholden to Wall Street, but I do think we have conceded way too much, just to get things done. Chopped into bits, our principles are meaningless.

[ZombieHorde]

152. I have many philosophical differences with Bill Clinton, but I think he was a good President.

I have many philosophical differences with President Obama, but I think he is a good President.

I have many philosophical difference with Sanders, but I suspect he might be a good President.

[maxsolomon]

157. Watch your back, DU's Democratic Socialist knives are out today!

You can't be in favor of any Democrat who's ever compromised with Republicans in the course of actually governing the nation.

[dlwickham]

154. Glad to see people open about their Obama hatred

I guess this site has officially jumped the shark

[maxsolomon]

159. No shit.

And here I was, thinking these last 8 years were 180 degrees different than the 8 before.

I keep wondering how Obama and Clinton got elected if the Left hates them so much.

[wildbilln864]

166. want some one who'll actually do what they said they'd do while campaigning. n/t

[Odin2005]

167. Bernie is the Anti-Clinton, so of course Third Way Willy is going to bash him.

[burrowowl]

172. Well Bernie will not be

one of the 'best Republican presidents' since Raygun!