Accused Oregon refuge occupier cites devil, demands damages from U.S.

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Reuters

Accused Oregon refuge occupier cites devil, demands damages from U.S.

Reuters
By Sharon Bernstein

19 minutes ago



(Reuters) - A woman charged with conspiracy in the takeover of an Oregon wildlife refuge last month has filed a rambling counter-complaint in which she accuses the federal government of working for the devil and demands $666,666,666,666.66 in damages.

Shawna Cox, who made headlines by challenging the FBI's version of the events leading up to the death Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, another of the occupants, said she and the other occupiers were victims of numerous crimes committed by mercenaries and foreign agents.

"I claim I and the others involved in these actions have suffered damages from the works of the devil in excess of $666,666,666,666.66," Cox wrote in a complaint filed in federal court in Oregon on Wednesday. The number "666" comes from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament, and is believed by some fundamentalist Christians to signify the "beast" or the anti-Christ.

Cox's complaint, which was not signed by a lawyer, is the latest twist in a case that is far from over, as 16 of the occupiers face conspiracy charges, while Finicum's family demands the release of the state's autopsy of his body after he was shot by Oregon State Police and authorities attempt to determine how much the nearly six-week long occupation really cost.
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[Mendocino]

1. Is she

Dr. Evil?

[mpcamb]

34. I was thinking she's laying the basis for the insanity plea to stay outta jail.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

44. Maybe Ms. Mental?

[Mendocino]

47. Dr.Evil

ONE MILLION $....100 BILLION$....Why make trillions when we can make billions?... 100 trillion gazillion, bazillion, jagillion$

BWWWAAAHHHHAHAAAA!

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Go to Hell, you idiot.

[navarth]

3. She's got a rock-solid case there, we're in trouble

I'm gonna get on the Red Phone and warn the Devil to save his pennies. This will be costly.

[pinboy3niner]

12. Because she has a rock-solid expert witness to back her up

[Warpy]

4. I've said from the beginning that a course of antipsychotics would do these people a world of good

and this poor, religiously insane women is a great example of why.

[snooper2]

40. I was thinking if she shaved her mustache she might feel better about herself

and not lash out at the world LOL

[Warpy]

41. That's probably what attracted her husband to her

You know, that adolescent male cookie duster.

[Turbineguy]

5. Good idea

an excellent insanity defense.

[Half-Century Man]

6. So, she's going for an impaired judgment defense.

[Major Nikon]

7. Kinda makes you wonder how someone this stupid doesn't forget to breathe

[3catwoman3]

27. If it weren't a reflex...

...a fair few people would be in big trouble.

Looks like a meth face in the making.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Start with 30 days of psychiatric observation. Seems sane for trial, but needing some treatment. nt

[calguy]

9. She's a member of that new Morman cult

The "Ranch Stupidians".
This is what they do.

[keithbvadu2]

17. Good one!

[47of74]

36. Ranch Stupidians

Filing that away for future use!

[jpak]

10. The Devil made me do it!!!!!!!111111

[Gregorian]

20. Geraldine.

What was that she said- whip it out, honey!

[mdbl]

11. CUCKOO!

[mgmaggiemg]

13. oh that will

really help her case

[Thinkingabout]

14. Might be suffering to overbearing friends, maybe a change of friends will heal her.

[Mendocino]

15. The devil went

down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal, he was in a bind, because he was way behind, he was willing to make a deal.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

45. Then he got ripped off, big time!

[Ford_Prefect]

16. The Bundy gang are true believers from a sect of Mormon that asserts the presence of the devil in

certain circumstances. It is a coincidental viewpoint which assigns the devil as coordinating agent in a special kind of situation called a "secret combination". It was prominent in the writings of arch-conservative, anti-communist conspiracy theorist W. Cleon Skousen, a primary inspiration for the John Birch Society. The Bundy group are essentially a cult fed on Skousen's distortions and paranoia, hence the references to damages and the devil. They are quite serious about their claims and have little idea how the rest of the world looks at what they did. I have met a Montana branch of this sect and they seem like real people until they have been talking for a few minutes when they seem to suddenly take a sharp turn from reality without pausing for breath. At that point you feel like you are witnessing something out of a Twilight Zone script. The important point here is that they are the product of a distorting propaganda as effective as anything out of 1933 Berlin, or 1950 Washington D.C.

They got this way by growing up in this "faith" and do not share our view of national government as a force for any kind of good. While the wags among us will say they may be onto something, understand that however distorted their beliefs, they are as sincere about them as we are about Equality, Liberty and Justice for All. It doesn't alter what they did or excuse it. But they are not mad in the conventional sense, they were always on this path, which leaves Joel Skousen, Glenn Beck and to some extent the LDS senior hierarchy with a few questions to answer for IMO.

Jason Wilson at Alternet covered it well: What Is the Link Between the Oregon 'Militiamen' and Mormonism?

http://www.alternet.org/belief/what-link-between-oregon-militiamen-and-mormonism

snip....

But Skousen was also a deeply involved Latter-Day Saint, serving for a time as a professor at Brigham Young University. Seth Payne, a former Mormon who began researching LDS conspiracy beliefs at Harvard Divinity School, explains that “when Skousen would talk to LDS audiences about these subjects he would bring in the religious element. He would describe these conspiracies as ‘secret combinations’. Secret combinations are not just criminal gangs or people looking for power. At the root of secret combinations is a Satanic influence.”

snip....

The idea of secret combinations carrying out Satan’s plan is very much alive. In a paper, Payne explains that “modern LDS conservatives tend to view any government action which compels behavior — even if that behavior is moral and productive — as being a version of Satan’s original plan to force God’s children to do good.”

That’s why many conservative Mormons, even those who would stop short at actions like those that the Bundys have taken, are bitterly opposed to welfare and other government programs that have a benevolent purpose.

snip......

“Glenn Beck reintroduced Skousen’s ideas—his anticommunism and fears about sovereignty —to a broader community. That resonates with people who think that the president is a communist.”

Meanwhile, other Mormon conspiracists like Joel Skousen, nephew of Cleon, continue all the while to push the idea of secret combinations in the service of Satan’s plan, which was now identified less with communism than the institution of a single world government under the control of “globalists." In one sense, this bears similarities to the conspiracy ideas of essentially secular figures like Alex Jones. There's enough common ground for Joel Skousen—also an icon of the prepper movement—to have appeared several times on Jones’ radio program.

[Wellstone ruled]

18. Thanks for the post,

if anyone wants the true insight into Utah politics and Mormon interpretation of our Constitution,your post is pretty much on point.

[passiveporcupine]

30. I dldn't know Glenn Beck was a Mormon

That explains some of his oddball stuff. Or maybe that religion appealed to him because of his oddball stuff.

He really does have some serious issues.

[Ford_Prefect]

31. I think most people do not know this about him or his philosophical roots. Just imagine if they did?

I think most of his followers do not understand where his ideas come from, nor how much distortion they contain based on his borrowing of Skousen's paranoid ideology. But he's selling snake oil to begin with so I doubt that it matters to him or them.

"Look, I'm Mormon, and most Christians don't recognize me as a Christian." – Glenn Beck, on August 29, 2010, in an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. (Wikipedia entry for Glenn Beck)

Wikipedia remarks that he was raised Catholic.

[CanonRay]

35. Great post, thanks!

[d_r]

54. very good read

thank you for posting this.

[DetlefK]

55. Wow. They obsess about occultism and can't even get basic facts on occultism straight:

First, the obsession with secret societies and "secret combinations" links directly back to the Renaissance:
1. "Secret combinations" is a hint at the hermetic magic, although it wasn't in the slightest connected to the devil. It was an occult version of Christianity and its practitioners devout Christians.
2. The obsession with secret societies and secret conspiracies being the root of all evil began because those scholars were driven underground for being heretics, so they formed secret societies. People doing stuff I don't understand in secrecy? Must be bad.

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http://www.alternet.org/belief/what-link-between-oregon-militiamen-and-mormonism

These were working in the interests of “Satan’s plan.” In Mormon theology, the conflict between this and God’s plan goes back to the beginning of time. While Lucifer wanted humans to be compelled to be obedient to God so they would be guaranteed a return to heaven, God wanted humans to be able to freely choose, so they would benefit from their time on earth.

This seems odd to me, because Lucifer is famous for being opposed to the concept of being obedient to God.
And God, they guy who demands absolute worship, is all of a sudden the guy who demands freedom of choice.
Very weird.
And very unbiblical.



the devil’s continuing effort to erode the power of human will.

Again, WTF?
All 3 biblical characters commonly fused into the character of the Devil (the serpent in the Garden of Eden, Satan and Lucifer) were about putting the human curiosity, the human doubt and the human desire for freedom above the God-given rule to be obedient to God in all circumstances.

If you want to talk about the devil, at least make the effort to read what was written about the devil.

[Ford_Prefect]

56. The "devil" terminology was generated by people without the internet (or even basic cable)

or other unbiased references. As the author related, Smith's Mormonism and W. Cleon Skousen's paranoid distortions of it both grew out of reaction to what were popular beliefs and philosophies of the times they were created in.

Neither set of texts was the result of scholarly research nor are they historically accurate in any sense. Some scholars have said that both Smith and Skousen wrote their own biased views into reality: Smith generating a version of the (semi)-christian state theocracy and Skousen building its paranoid shadow.

It is easy today to take cheap shots at the ignorance of either man and the common cultural "confusion" about evil, the Devil, and occult practices. Their prevalence in their own times derived as much from their own dark dreams as it was the manipulation of popular beliefs by the powerful, much we see every day in the so-called MSM.

[Geronimoe]

19. Seeing how the US is $16.3 trillion in debt

how about an IOU?

[hollowdweller]

21. Working on her insanity defense

[turbinetree]

22. Trying to use the ............................

bat sh******t defense isn't going to work lady, just admit your guilt and just hope you get some leniency, which will not be much, because the public wants you behind bars for a long, long, long, time you made your bed, now sleep in it ----------------you knew what was right and what is wrong, but you missed that part in your classroom studies with your parents-------you are dangerous

[Zorra]

23. They're eventually gonna let her off, probably 3 yrs probation w/counseling. nt

[Marty McGraw]

24. c'mon 'merkins

[47of74]

37. LOL

[romanic]

25. Well she looks like a demon

so maybe her defense is sound.

[olddad56]

26. she should have ample time to prepare her case, while in jail.

[KT2000]

29. she was released n/t

[kentauros]

28. I understand she's not "thinking" straight,

but I have to wonder why she'd want to reinforce the "Devil's Number" by asking for damages using the same number? Or is she trying to tell everyone that she's the one that's possessed?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. She really wast't trying to.

She just want's the 16 nutjobs to each get $41,666,666,666.66625, which only coincidentally just so happens to add up to $666,666,666,666.66.

[Major Hogwash]

32. The federal government's attorney in charge of this case dismisses Ms. Cox' allegations out of hand.

"There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the federal government works for the devil," said Lucy Fur, head attorney for the United State's District of Beelzebub located in Malheur Oregon somewhere near the Gates of Hell.

[PersonNumber503602]

50. :D

[Vinca]

33. Nuts or an actress going for an insanity defense?

Either way, not a surprise. Their "convictions" don't extend to doing time.

[PersonNumber503602]

51. Could be legit a nut. These people are all over youtube at least

It's shocking to discover how many people actually believe this crap. I figure the internet makes very easy for these types to connect so they can pull off their refuge occupation stunts together.

[jayfish]

38. Hey Lady!

Just throwing a bunch of 6s together doesn't really mean much. In order for your inanity to have any weight you would have to ask for $6.66. Prolly have a better chance of getting it too.

[yellowcanine]

39. Have to hand it to her. The "666" is a nice touch.

Mark of the Beastie Boys.

[L. Coyote]

42. Tossed by the judge faster than it could be read! Idiots ....

[Javaman]

43. sounds like a "soverign citizen" nut bag. nt

[catnhatnh]

48. I warned them...

...and I told them-"Don't give THAT one any crayons!".

[robhalf4369]

49. Seriously pathetic

Hope this "case" gets thrown out, and she leaves with nothing. Greedy idiot.

[DetlefK]

52. Why is she asking for an amount of money that bears the "Mark of the Beast"?

And shouldn't it be $0.666 at the very end?

[raging moderate]

53. The numeral 6 did not even exist in the original New Testament text.

I once read that the figure 666 had been created by the Reformation era (King James?) translators. It has been awhile, but I think this linguistic researcher said that the original text had actually written it thus: IIIIII IIIIII IIIIII. The translators of the later age had surmised that the best way to translate that figure would be to express it in the numerals of their day: 666. That was the best they could do, and it would be okay if everybody remembered that it would have to be an approximation of the original text. Of course, I don't really know the exact facts, either, so this is tentative. I can see that these folks never take into consideration the fact that they aren't even starting with accurate knowledge of the texts they are trying to follow. They continually jump to conclusions based on the pronouncements of the most belligerent people among them because that is who they usually follow. They tend to over-rely on their own latter-day tribal authorities. And that isn't only the right-wing Mormons, it is this whole reactionary fundamentalist right-wing. They need to learn this word: tentative. It works against the pride that leads to destruction.

[wordpix]

57. Nothing that jail time won't cure

[LiberalElite]

58. Shouldn't she sue the devil? nt