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Zorro

(15,749 posts)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:41 PM Feb 2016

Snowden: Would return to US with guarantee of fair trial

Source: AP

Speaking via Skype from Russia, Edward Snowden told an audience of supporters in New Hampshire on Saturday that he is willing to be extradited to the United States if the federal government would guarantee he would get a fair trial.

The former National Security Agency contractor in 2013 leaked details of a secret government eavesdropping program and left the country. He faces U.S. charges that could land him in prison for up to 30 years.

Snowden spoke Saturday at the New Hampshire Liberty Forum, heavily attended by libertarians. WMUR reported that forum organizers did not allow the media to video record his remarks.

"I've told the government I would return if they would guarantee a fair trial where I can make a public interest defense of why this was done and allow a jury to decide," Snowden told his audience.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-return-us-guarantee-fair-trial-043059728.html



How ya likin' those Moscow winters, Eddie?

And not allowing the media to video record your remarks? What's up with that, Mr. Freedom of Information?
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Snowden: Would return to US with guarantee of fair trial (Original Post) Zorro Feb 2016 OP
No matter how one feels about Snowden.... hlthe2b Feb 2016 #1
a fair trial? getagrip_already Feb 2016 #2
Wouldn't count on it... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #38
hmmm rtracey Feb 2016 #3
Pure grandstanding, there is no way in hell he will return and its not because cstanleytech Feb 2016 #4
"Fair trial" Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #5
Fair trial would mean whistleblower consideration newthinking Feb 2016 #16
So you are in favor of... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #39
I'm in favor of letting the courts decide Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #45
Of course he won't have a fair trial. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #6
No kidding. potone Feb 2016 #7
No, not at all. Revealing information that the government was listening in was fine cstanleytech Feb 2016 #27
Sorry. It's not 'a fig'. mpcamb Feb 2016 #35
If it was just about the wiretapping inside the US I would agree with you but he released cstanleytech Feb 2016 #41
Whiteblower??? potone Feb 2016 #36
Me typing on my nexus 7s touchscreen :P lol cstanleytech Feb 2016 #42
He will have a more fair trial than any of my clients ever had. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #9
There are no fair trials of whistleblowers on US soil. Period. Helen Borg Feb 2016 #10
He is not a whistleblower. nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #11
He is. And a hero. nt Helen Borg Feb 2016 #12
And the Soviet Union thought the same way about their dissidents newthinking Feb 2016 #18
Yes indeed. potone Feb 2016 #37
This. newthinking Feb 2016 #17
Fair trial? no such thing. olddad56 Feb 2016 #8
Simply read the comments section here at DemocraticUnderground... Earth_First Feb 2016 #13
Earth, Snowden did himself in though because with varies interviews there is no way in hell he cstanleytech Feb 2016 #28
He won't if Hillary, Trump, Rubio, or Clinton are President Reter Feb 2016 #14
No fair trial in the US... freebrew Feb 2016 #15
As a whistleblower farleftlib Feb 2016 #19
Anyone can call themselves a whistleblower just as anyone can call themselves a journalist. randome Feb 2016 #23
True farleftlib Feb 2016 #32
Another baseball season coming...they show much baseball on the Moscow teevee? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #20
Don't do it, Ed... americannightmare Feb 2016 #21
A fair trial is constitutionally guaranteed The Second Stone Feb 2016 #22
and impossible because of the pre trial prejudice that exist in the minds of everyone involved. olddad56 Feb 2016 #24
No, you probably could get a good unbiased jury but the main problem isnt jury selection but rather cstanleytech Feb 2016 #29
I don't believe anyone can get a trial with an unbaised jury. olddad56 Feb 2016 #31
Well its pointless to quibble over because of those interviews he did, if those didnt exist cstanleytech Feb 2016 #43
By "fair trial," Snowden means "If I was guaranteed an acquittal." alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #47
He won't find much support in the US. kstewart33 Feb 2016 #25
If I was on the jury, he'd have all the support he needed. BillZBubb Feb 2016 #26
A fire fighter who runs into a burning building to rescue a child is a hero and cstanleytech Feb 2016 #30
I'm with you farleftlib Feb 2016 #33
so I guess it would be safe to say that you have a bias against snowden olddad56 Feb 2016 #34
Don't do it Snowden former9thward Feb 2016 #40
It's a trap! OnyxCollie Feb 2016 #44
Don't do it, Edward, just stay where you are. lark Feb 2016 #46
If it is a fair trial he would be convicted of treason Sky Masterson Feb 2016 #48
Edward pinned his hopes on shysters like GG, and being estranged from his home country is his reward Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #49

hlthe2b

(102,387 posts)
1. No matter how one feels about Snowden....
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

I'd say the writing was on the wall for him. He's going to have to stay in Russia if he wants to escape bars, I'm pretty convinced.

"Justice" seems to be in the eyes of the beholder, I guess.

getagrip_already

(14,848 posts)
2. a fair trial?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:09 PM
Feb 2016

He sounds like trump.

Sure, he can have a fair trial, just like everyone else who steals thousands of classified documents and takes them to china and russia.

Come on home. A fair trial awaits.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
38. Wouldn't count on it...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:52 PM
Feb 2016

...Unless you consider the treatment of Chelsea Manning fair...


We live in a world where lies and propaganda hits the headlines, and the truth suppressed...


 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
3. hmmm
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

To bad he doesnt have apple phone codes...oh wait, maybe he can get a job there and steal them.....

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
4. Pure grandstanding, there is no way in hell he will return and its not because
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:31 PM
Feb 2016

he couldnt get a fair trial its because there is plenty of video of him admitting to breaking the law in regards to the handling of classified information.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. "Fair trial"
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:41 PM
Feb 2016

More like "rig the system by changing the laws so I can get off"

His "unfair trial" claims have long, long since been debunked... He's getting to be as bad as Assange...

Eddie should have taken whatever plea deal was on the table...

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
39. So you are in favor of...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:55 PM
Feb 2016

protecting the criminals they exposed and go after the whistleblowers instead?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
45. I'm in favor of letting the courts decide
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

since after all, if his cause is so just and righteous, he should be burning for his day in court...And I'm not sure what kind of "whistleblower" defects to Moscow and leaks a bunch of non-whistleblowing stories...

The Special Snowflake continues to conflate "likely to be found guilty" with "unfair trial"... Even he knows this, he's just playing a PR angle here to let his fans believe that he still has some control over his fate. (Hint: He doesn't -- Snowflake is completely under Russian control for the indefinite future)

potone

(1,701 posts)
7. No kidding.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 05:50 PM
Feb 2016

The inability, or unwillingness, of some people to face what has happened to our civil liberties post-9/11 is amazing.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
27. No, not at all. Revealing information that the government was listening in was fine
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:31 PM
Feb 2016

and he could have easily fit under the whiteblower fig leaf but releasing extensive details on what the government had is where he crossed the line from whiteblower.

mpcamb

(2,878 posts)
35. Sorry. It's not 'a fig'.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:21 PM
Feb 2016

It's a guarantee against an unlawful action of a government.
When the government is WRONG it cannot be a crime to report it to the public.

It can't be minimalized. It's not a fig... no matter what Republicans try to tell you.


cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
41. If it was just about the wiretapping inside the US I would agree with you but he released
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:01 AM
Feb 2016

information also about intelligence gathered oveaseas against foreign governments and that crosses the line.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
18. And the Soviet Union thought the same way about their dissidents
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

and we supported them.

Funny how we cannot recognize dissent in our own borders. Seems that is part of a country's departure from just and democratic principles.

potone

(1,701 posts)
37. Yes indeed.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

I think he did a great service to this nation, and I consider him a hero. Those who criticize him for being in Russia conveniently forget that the US government canceled his passport so he could not travel.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
13. Simply read the comments section here at DemocraticUnderground...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:48 PM
Feb 2016

...then you tell me he'd ever get a fair trial on US soil.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
28. Earth, Snowden did himself in though because with varies interviews there is no way in hell he
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:35 PM
Feb 2016

would not be convicted because those are as good as a confession.
If had kept his mouth shut he might have been able to get alot of the evidence thrown out or suppressed and maybe plead down to a lesser charge but the interviews make that next to impossible because the prosecutor will use those videos and interviews he gave against him.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
14. He won't if Hillary, Trump, Rubio, or Clinton are President
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 06:50 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 22, 2016, 09:56 PM - Edit history (1)

His only chance now that Paul has dropped out is Sanders.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
15. No fair trial in the US...
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 07:11 PM
Feb 2016

but Gen. Petraeus really got punished for far worse.

A slap on the wrist and paid retirement. What a deal.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
23. Anyone can call themselves a whistleblower just as anyone can call themselves a journalist.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

Ask James O'Keefe about that. He's only serving the public interest because...well, because he says so.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
32. True
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:03 PM
Feb 2016

But I've seen the documentary and the interviews and I believe him FWIW. Plus I don't see any other motive that makes sense when he knew he would suffer the consequences. I believe he weighed everything and decided he couldn't keep silent about it.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
22. A fair trial is constitutionally guaranteed
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

so good luck with that Mr. Snowden.

No way is any prosecutor going to be bound to let him present an affirmative defense of public interest/necessity. At least one juror would hang the panel in any number of trials.

And I don't see why Snowden should get a better guarantee of a fair trial than any of the other tens of thousands of accused/litigants who only get the bullshit version.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
24. and impossible because of the pre trial prejudice that exist in the minds of everyone involved.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

fair trials are a myth.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
29. No, you probably could get a good unbiased jury but the main problem isnt jury selection but rather
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:42 PM
Feb 2016

it is the varies interviews Snowden himself gave which have him on record admitting it.
If those didnt exist he might have a chance of acquittal but since they do exist I dont see any way a jury wouldnt convict him.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
31. I don't believe anyone can get a trial with an unbaised jury.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:00 PM
Feb 2016

maybe the people are not consciously biased, but biased just the same.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
43. Well its pointless to quibble over because of those interviews he did, if those didnt exist
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:06 AM
Feb 2016

he might have a shot at getting acquitted or atleast at plea bargaining.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
47. By "fair trial," Snowden means "If I was guaranteed an acquittal."
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:06 PM
Feb 2016

If he is convicted, the trail wasn't fair, QED.

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
30. A fire fighter who runs into a burning building to rescue a child is a hero and
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

Snowden is no fire fighter.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
33. I'm with you
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:05 PM
Feb 2016

He stuck his neck out for us because he couldn't keep silent about what was going on behind closed doors.

I think he deserves a parade, not a trial.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
34. so I guess it would be safe to say that you have a bias against snowden
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

and would not be a candidate to sit on a jury to to try his case. I think almost everyone in this country has a bias either for or against him. So, of course he isn't coming back. He could never receive a fair trial.

lark

(23,160 posts)
46. Don't do it, Edward, just stay where you are.
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

When both sides of the government hate your every breath, a fair trial is not going to happen. So sorry.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,241 posts)
49. Edward pinned his hopes on shysters like GG, and being estranged from his home country is his reward
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

They miscalculated badly in their attempt to sway public opinion. Privacy takes a back seat to security it seems. So far, Apple is making the same miscalculation.


Poll: Half of Americans say Apple should help FBI unlock iPhone

The poll found that 51 percent of those surveyed think the tech giant should create the software to unlock the phone and assist the FBI in the investigation. Slightly more than one third (38 percent) said that Apple should not unlock the phone and 11 percent did not know.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/pew-survey-apple-iphone-fbi-219629#ixzz40w8ZaaCn


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