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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:48 PM Feb 2016

Justice Scalia Spent His Last Hours With Members Of This Secretive Society Of Elite Hunters

Source: Washington Post

By Amy Brittain and Sari Horwitz February 24 at 7:37 PM

When Justice Antonin Scalia died 12 days ago at a West Texas ranch, he was among high-ranking members of an exclusive fraternity for hunters called the International Order of St. Hubertus, an Austrian society that dates back to the 1600s.

After Scalia’s death Feb. 13, the names of the 35 other guests at the remote resort, along with details about Scalia’s connection to the hunters, have remained largely unknown. A review of public records shows that some of the men who were with Scalia at the ranch are connected through the International Order of St. Hubertus, whose members gathered at least once before at the same ranch for a celebratory weekend.

Members of the worldwide, male-only society wear dark-green robes emblazoned with a large cross and the motto “Deum Diligite Animalia Diligentes,” which means “Honoring God by honoring His creatures,” according to the group’s website. Some hold titles, such as Grand Master, Prior and Knight Grand Officer. The Order’s name is in honor of Hubert, the patron saint of hunters and fishermen.

Cibolo Creek Ranch owner John Poindexter and C. Allen Foster, a prominent Washington lawyer who traveled to the ranch with Scalia by private plane, hold leadership positions within the Order. It is unclear what, if any, official association Scalia had with the group.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-scalia-spent-his-last-hours-with-members-of-this-secretive-society-of-elite-hunters/2016/02/24/1d77af38-db20-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html

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Justice Scalia Spent His Last Hours With Members Of This Secretive Society Of Elite Hunters (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2016 OP
"“Honoring God by honoring His creatures,” pangaia Feb 2016 #1
I know....right... dhill926 Feb 2016 #45
Hunting... the sport where your opponents don't know they're playing. n/t beac Feb 2016 #64
a silly excuse for killing animals RussBLib Feb 2016 #86
if i had to kill an animal to eat DesertFlower Feb 2016 #2
Factory farming is also disgusting chernabog Feb 2016 #5
i tried it and i got sick. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #7
Because cruelty towards animals is disgusting chernabog Feb 2016 #11
give it up already. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #15
And you're like a republican chernabog Feb 2016 #17
That's not the way to promote vegetarianism. trillion Feb 2016 #26
Thanks for mentionting that.I've noticed on zoo live cams that animals like rhinos do that, as well. Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #59
and you're an ignorant ass. DesertFlower Feb 2016 #28
Oh? chernabog Feb 2016 #32
Jury results merrily Feb 2016 #34
I have to agree, it was rude. Both were. trillion Feb 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Feb 2016 #67
I also got sick when I tried to eat a vegetarian diet. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #57
I have no idea what you ate chernabog Feb 2016 #61
If in fact you tried "it" and got sick then Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #18
Most people get healthier on a proper vegetarian diet. Two things: Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2016 #20
You got sick? chervilant Feb 2016 #74
I've been a vegetarian for 25 years - i was raised eating meat multiple times a week - now LiberalElite Feb 2016 #9
Of course they'd be killed. If animals aren't useful or decorative, they're pests - Glorfindel Feb 2016 #23
That doesn't say much for our species, does it? nt LiberalElite Feb 2016 #35
all them agro-conglomerates are not going to turn a thousand chickens,cows n pigs into pets saturnsring Feb 2016 #48
Genuinely curious Blackjackdavey Feb 2016 #73
May I then assume that you are willing to eat animals as long as somebody else kills them? pangaia Feb 2016 #68
I grew up on a farm. Hunting is FAR more humane that store-bought meat NickB79 Feb 2016 #80
Honoring God by Honoring his Creatures. olddad56 Feb 2016 #3
I've been meaning to Rewatch: KoKo Feb 2016 #22
this is even more weird than Opus Dei. nt grasswire Feb 2016 #4
Indeed! n/t KoKo Feb 2016 #24
Have you happened to watch NBC's series "Grimm"? grasswire Feb 2016 #29
No..didn't know about it KoKo Feb 2016 #33
It's a great show! tammywammy Feb 2016 #41
I have Netflix and will check out. n/t KoKo Feb 2016 #43
this series is very lightly referenced to Grimm's Fairy Tales. Monsters/animals. grasswire Feb 2016 #56
One Wonders RobinA Feb 2016 #82
These freaky fucks give me the willies. nt valerief Feb 2016 #6
Yep. I can't help wondering what they really talk about when Purveyor Feb 2016 #10
I doubt it's deer antlers. nt valerief Feb 2016 #14
I cover my ears...thinking of what they might have been into... KoKo Feb 2016 #27
heh 2naSalit Feb 2016 #8
sorry but I can only envision benld74 Feb 2016 #12
So, Foster was this mysterious "friend"?... LannyDeVaney Feb 2016 #13
Not even Alex Jones could make this shit up. Warren Stupidity Feb 2016 #16
Aren't they more like "elites that hunt" rather than elite hunters? If they really hunt. brewens Feb 2016 #19
Quite Revealing......isn't it? KoKo Feb 2016 #21
Honoring God by Shooting his Creatures? nt longship Feb 2016 #25
Kinky Stuff.... KoKo Feb 2016 #30
I'm sure Scalia belonged to multiple secret societies. nt TeamPooka Feb 2016 #31
OK, there is something really strange about a bunch of elderly men tularetom Feb 2016 #36
Maybe they think the DaVinci code was nonfiction alarimer Feb 2016 #65
Vile and disgusting killing of wild animals Stainless Feb 2016 #37
PIC: Do members of the club all get this tattoo? yurbud Feb 2016 #38
"Thank You Sir, May I Have Another." Seen it before. kairos12 Feb 2016 #39
Well that whole thing is just disgusting. SoapBox Feb 2016 #40
Trumps kids pretty much do the same thing. Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #42
Yes.......that one kid of his shown on the Big Game Hunting Spree KoKo Feb 2016 #44
What a bunch of goofballs BeyondGeography Feb 2016 #46
Poindexter - Honoring Himself by attempting to puchase Park Land Lodestar Feb 2016 #47
Iran Contra era John Poindexter? salin Feb 2016 #49
same name but different dude waddirum Feb 2016 #50
thx salin Feb 2016 #81
that is what the government giving land back to the states inthe west is all about - hollysmom Feb 2016 #52
+1,000 n/t LarryNM Feb 2016 #55
What a piece of work zentrum Feb 2016 #51
WTF? Trajan Feb 2016 #53
If it were not for hunters, none of us would be alive right now. Hunters Zorra Feb 2016 #54
This could work for me as a goofy inside joke. Jerry442 Feb 2016 #58
Monsters. May their group dwindle away to nothing in no time. No place for them in a good world. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2016 #60
All hail The International Order Of St. Hubertus! Paladin Feb 2016 #63
The vetting to get into this secret organization is very strenuous SodoffBush Feb 2016 #66
No chance they ask that in Congress, they may have to answer it themselves. harun Feb 2016 #70
Morally deficient little boys in men's bodies. nt DLevine Feb 2016 #69
This is a strange but interesting story Gothmog Feb 2016 #71
Posted this Yesterday packman Feb 2016 #72
What is it with these men and secret societies?? Play acting hunters?? adigal Feb 2016 #75
Clarence served a purpose for Scalia Skittles Feb 2016 #84
SECRECY - a hallmark of the Republican Party, and of evil. AxionExcel Feb 2016 #76
Secretive Society Of Elite Hunters = A Gay S & M Club Botany Feb 2016 #77
So the "secretive group" has its own website?? Slow news day? n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #78
Austrian royalty, Texas ranchers and trips to Argentina - hedgehog Feb 2016 #79
Here's a Hapsburg for you! pfitz59 Feb 2016 #83
"Elite Hunters?" Aren't these canned hunts? Oneironaut Feb 2016 #85

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. "“Honoring God by honoring His creatures,”
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:50 PM
Feb 2016

You mean like, oh.... I don't know......


SHOOTING THEM?

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
86. a silly excuse for killing animals
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:55 PM
Feb 2016

that whole "honoring God" line has spawned a thousand atrocities.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
26. That's not the way to promote vegetarianism.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

I'm a vegetarian. Insult people an they'll just come up with reason to eat meat.

Jane Goodall said that animals are individuals and pigs are especially intelligent. They roll in the mud because they don't have sweat glands. That's usually a point worth making.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
59. Thanks for mentionting that.I've noticed on zoo live cams that animals like rhinos do that, as well.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:22 AM
Feb 2016

Have also read that pigs are definitely intelligent animals.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
34. Jury results
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
57. I also got sick when I tried to eat a vegetarian diet.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:57 AM
Feb 2016

Why do you think that is? I wonder if it has to do with genetics and what your ancestors ate? Do you think that is possible.

I love vegetables by the way and eat lots and lots of them. Fruits too. But I get sick, very weak, if I don't eat meat for say a number of months.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. If in fact you tried "it" and got sick then
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:03 PM
Feb 2016

you were doing something really simple and easy entirely wrong.

If on the other hand you tried "it" and just found yourself back on meat, that happens.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
20. Most people get healthier on a proper vegetarian diet. Two things:
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

1) We don't know the quality of the diet you tried.

2) You might be the exception that proves the rule.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
74. You got sick?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

That's strange. Most people who abstain from meat thrive on vegetarian or vegan lifestyles. This month marks my third year as a vegan, and I feel GREAT.

Sorry it didn't work out for YOU, but bear in mind that most vegans and vegetarians eat well.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
9. I've been a vegetarian for 25 years - i was raised eating meat multiple times a week - now
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Feb 2016

the sight of meat disgusts me. All that blood and tissue and fat... blech.

If no one bought meat the animals wouldn't be killed.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
23. Of course they'd be killed. If animals aren't useful or decorative, they're pests -
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
Feb 2016

and pests have to be eradicated. Imagine immense herds of cattle roaming the countryside, trampling crops and eating the food that humans need for themselves. There would be bounties on their hides, and they'd be slaughtered with no more compunction than is shown to rats and mice. Don't believe it? Ask the American bison or the passenger pigeon or the Carolina parakeet. Bison, although hunted almost to extinction, are still to this day killed when they wander outside of the sanctuaries prepared for them, and they are native to the soil. Human beings are omnivorous killer apes who won't tolerate competition from their own species, let alone other animals. Vegetarianism is a worthy and healthful practice, and I applaud you for practicing it. But it will never prevent the killing of animals.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
73. Genuinely curious
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

I'm genuinely curious about the end game in this line of thinking. I am neither a vegetarian nor am I anti-vegetarian or even pro carnivore. I am an equal opportunity eater and this question is genuinely agenda free. What if everyone stopped eating meat? It's not as if livestock are wild animals that would just be released into the wilderness -- even zoo animals are unlikely to survive that kind of transition. Therefore, wouldn't the elimination of animal based diets lead to a massive die off or even possibly extinction of some of these domesticated species? What are the ideas that address that issue? Just curious...

NickB79

(19,247 posts)
80. I grew up on a farm. Hunting is FAR more humane that store-bought meat
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

Our farm was a small, family-run operation in the 80's and 90's. We took very good care of our animals; we did not factory farm them.

Yet we still castrated pigs with razor blades and no anesthesia. We pulled piglets milk teeth out to allow them to suckle longer. We dehorned cattle with burning rods. We held livestock in pens for long periods of time to ensure they fattened up more rapidly. We fed them more corn and soy than they evolved to eat. We sold them to slaughterhouses where their throats were slit and their brains blown out by bolt guns.

If you want to eat meat AND do it as humanely as possible, ethical hunting and fishing is about as good as you can get.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
3. Honoring God by Honoring his Creatures.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:52 PM
Feb 2016

honoring them by killing them. Maybe they honored Tony the same way. Never know with these secret hand shake motherfuckers. It is probably where they sit Tony down every year and tell him how to vote.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
22. I've been meaning to Rewatch:
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:19 PM
Feb 2016

"The Godfather"...I used to do it every few years to balance off my Idealism against Reality. I lapsed and haven't watched it in the last few years.

I'm going to Netflix and going to order the DVD of it....IF they still have it!

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
29. Have you happened to watch NBC's series "Grimm"?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:24 PM
Feb 2016

It's a plot about all kinds of ancient stuff dating back centuries. The Grimm family are part of a segment of humans who are half human half animal. There's a lot of mysticism and freaky violent goings on.

I thought of it immediately when I read about this secret hunting group.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
33. No..didn't know about it
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:33 PM
Feb 2016

but, was a fan of the original "Grimm's Fairy Tales" when I grew up..as scary and creepy as they were!

So...I will check this out if I can find it archived. Scalia was always a sinister character to me. And, I wasn't alone. Many rational contemporary people looked at his judicial rulings and his background and found fault with him.

Thanks for the "Heads Up."

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
56. this series is very lightly referenced to Grimm's Fairy Tales. Monsters/animals.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:28 AM
Feb 2016

It is filmed here in Portland, and is quirky as hell.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
82. One Wonders
Fri Feb 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

if Scalia had a thing for robes. Robes for his day job, robes for his after hours activities...

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
10. Yep. I can't help wondering what they really talk about when
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Feb 2016

they all sit around the fire and talk...

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
13. So, Foster was this mysterious "friend"?...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:58 PM
Feb 2016

I have to admit, this seems rather harmless. And I wouldn't call this society mysterious - he lists it on his bio. Personally, I don't hunt and it doesn't interest me at all.

Guys resume is pretty impressive. Somebody with better memory than me can punch holes in his case history, but other than representing the Republican Party explicitly in the past, I didn't see any huge flags.

Turns out the smoking, obesity and high blood pressure was the likely cause of death. I was hoping for a Godfather II-style political extortion.

[link:http://www.wtplaw.com/professionals/c-allen-foster|

brewens

(13,590 posts)
19. Aren't they more like "elites that hunt" rather than elite hunters? If they really hunt.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:08 PM
Feb 2016

Out on some ranch where the game is kind of just staked out for you to shoot, isn't really hunting is it?

I'd be surprised if many of them would even want to go with some of my Idaho buddies and actually have to work for it. Then dressing out a kill, packing it out and in many cases, doing all the butchering, cutting and packing.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
21. Quite Revealing......isn't it?
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:15 PM
Feb 2016
Figured there was more about Scalia...but, then even Alex Jones couldn't make this stuff up

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. Kinky Stuff....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016
But, that's the way Some of the "Entitled" Roll. They take out on the innocent animals what they can't achieve in their wanton, ego-driven lives with Human Interaction.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
36. OK, there is something really strange about a bunch of elderly men
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

Who form secret societies where they wear green robes, have strange titles and chant arcane Latin phrases.

Sort of reminds me of the Bohemian Grove. Or maybe those other guys who wear white robes and hoods and have weird sounding titles.

I'll bet they run around the bunk house naked snapping each other in the ass with wet towels.

Stainless

(718 posts)
37. Vile and disgusting killing of wild animals
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:40 PM
Feb 2016

The hubris and snobbery of rich elitist weirdos engaged in homoerotic rituals is pathetic while the rest of the world suffers from their degenerate hoarding of wealth.

What sick fuckers they truly are.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
44. Yes.......that one kid of his shown on the Big Game Hunting Spree
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:58 PM
Feb 2016

showing off his guns. Entitled Kid. "Bloomberg Business News" did a segment on him and his hunting advocacy.

If you hunt to "Eat to Live" is one thing. But, those Big Game Hunting Safaries in Africa or Captive Hunting is nothing but Cruelty to feed an ego to be "Macho Man or Woman." Ugh.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
47. Poindexter - Honoring Himself by attempting to puchase Park Land
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

He's been trying to purchase Big Bend Park Land around his Cibolo Ranch for some time and is looking forward to his eventual opportunity:

John Poindexter
Originally written Oct. 30, 2005


Still single at age 61, Houston businessman John Poindexter is concerned about his legacy.

Will he be remembered as a combat-tested Vietnam veteran who became a wealthy industrialist and rancher with a passion for preserving some of the most majestic lands in West Texas?

Or will he go down in Texas folklore as the rich guy who wanted to buy a pristine part of Big Bend Ranch State Park?

Despite the controversy that erupted over his unsuccessful attempt in August to acquire 46,000 acres from the state park system, Poindexter said last week he may revive his purchase offer after next year’s GOP gubernatorial contest, which he claims had a role in dooming the initial deal.

Poindexter drew fire from environmentalists and park conservation groups that said they were ambushed by the unpopular proposal. He argued then, and still contends, the sale would enable the cash-strapped Texas Parks & Wildlife Department to acquire several pockets of private land within the park. The land, if sold, would be publicly accessible and environmentally protected, he insists.

“There’s no urgency about this. I’ll be there the rest of my life. I have 30 or more years to live out there, and I can wait,” Poindexter said.


http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Who-is-John-Poindexter-6837931.php

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
52. that is what the government giving land back to the states inthe west is all about -
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 12:59 AM
Feb 2016

letting the rich buy it and then keeping the riff raff off of it, I bet a lot of the nevada protestors soiling Oregn bird preserve would not be allowed on the "freed" land except to clean it.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
53. WTF?
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:36 AM
Feb 2016

That sounds so bizarre ... Robes, Crosses, Latin mottos ...

I wonder of any associations with Opus Dei ... Scalia was a member, I believe ...

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
54. If it were not for hunters, none of us would be alive right now. Hunters
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

have been held in high regard in societies throughout much of human history, and rightly so. Their skills in killing for food fed our tribal familial ancestors. Hunters killed the predators that wanted to eat our babies. Hunting was a primary and solemn responsibility. I may be mistaken, but I don't reckon there were any local neighborhood Safeways in the Mesolithic era.

That said, it might be a good thing if anyone who kills anything solely for pleasure and sport could to be taken aside and taught respect for life, or be prevented from killing if they cannot grasp the concept of not harming living things for "fun".

The members of the International Order of St. Hubertus might be among those who need to be prevented from killing for fun.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
58. This could work for me as a goofy inside joke.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:08 AM
Feb 2016

"Hey, Most Exalted Grand Potentate Dude of The Known Universe, did you bring enough beer this time?"

"Yeah, verily, Ultimate Master of Truth and Wisdom and Serene Resolver of Disputes. Lots of ice, too. Did you bring more of those great little sausages?"

Otherwise, it's sad and pathetic.

Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
60. Monsters. May their group dwindle away to nothing in no time. No place for them in a good world. n/t
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:25 AM
Feb 2016

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
63. All hail The International Order Of St. Hubertus!
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:13 AM
Feb 2016

Anything which serves to make Fat Tony Scalia appear even creepier and more loathsome has my seal of approval.

Oh, and that reference to "boxed bird shoot competitions"? That practice is just as repulsive and worthy of condemnation as you might imagine. Just the sort of ugly non-sporting event that would get Scalia aroused.

SodoffBush

(1,035 posts)
66. The vetting to get into this secret organization is very strenuous
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:30 AM
Feb 2016

It's much easier to get onto the Supreme Court.

However, when vetting the next Supreme Court Justice, a good questions to ask might be, "Are you a member of any secret organizations?"

harun

(11,348 posts)
70. No chance they ask that in Congress, they may have to answer it themselves.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

First rule of fight club is never talk about fight club.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
75. What is it with these men and secret societies?? Play acting hunters??
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

So fricking weird. I wonder if Clarence Thomas belongs.

Botany

(70,512 posts)
77. Secretive Society Of Elite Hunters = A Gay S & M Club
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

just saying and BTW to any gay s & m club members out there I am sorry if I hurt
your feelings but bringing up Scalia.

Oneironaut

(5,500 posts)
85. "Elite Hunters?" Aren't these canned hunts?
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

That means that the skill required amounts to going to a zoo, finding a tame animal that has been human-fed since it was born, and killing it from a distance.

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