Justice Scalia Spent His Last Hours With Members Of This Secretive Society Of Elite Hunters
Source: Washington Post
By Amy Brittain and Sari Horwitz February 24 at 7:37 PM
When Justice Antonin Scalia died 12 days ago at a West Texas ranch, he was among high-ranking members of an exclusive fraternity for hunters called the International Order of St. Hubertus, an Austrian society that dates back to the 1600s.
After Scalias death Feb. 13, the names of the 35 other guests at the remote resort, along with details about Scalias connection to the hunters, have remained largely unknown. A review of public records shows that some of the men who were with Scalia at the ranch are connected through the International Order of St. Hubertus, whose members gathered at least once before at the same ranch for a celebratory weekend.
Members of the worldwide, male-only society wear dark-green robes emblazoned with a large cross and the motto Deum Diligite Animalia Diligentes, which means Honoring God by honoring His creatures, according to the groups website. Some hold titles, such as Grand Master, Prior and Knight Grand Officer. The Orders name is in honor of Hubert, the patron saint of hunters and fishermen.
Cibolo Creek Ranch owner John Poindexter and C. Allen Foster, a prominent Washington lawyer who traveled to the ranch with Scalia by private plane, hold leadership positions within the Order. It is unclear what, if any, official association Scalia had with the group.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-scalia-spent-his-last-hours-with-members-of-this-secretive-society-of-elite-hunters/2016/02/24/1d77af38-db20-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html
pangaia
(24,324 posts)You mean like, oh.... I don't know......
SHOOTING THEM?
dhill926
(16,339 posts)what a bunch of sick fucks...
beac
(9,992 posts)RussBLib
(9,019 posts)that whole "honoring God" line has spawned a thousand atrocities.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i'd be a vegetarian. killing for sport is disgusting.
chernabog
(480 posts)So maybe still consider being a vegetarian.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)why is it vegetarians try to push their way of life?
chernabog
(480 posts)And eating animals is detrimental to the environment.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)you're like a christian pushing your religion.
chernabog
(480 posts)Denying climate change
trillion
(1,859 posts)I'm a vegetarian. Insult people an they'll just come up with reason to eat meat.
Jane Goodall said that animals are individuals and pigs are especially intelligent. They roll in the mud because they don't have sweat glands. That's usually a point worth making.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Have also read that pigs are definitely intelligent animals.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)alert if you want.
Are you ignorant to the fact that animals feel pain?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Rude
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Why do you think that is? I wonder if it has to do with genetics and what your ancestors ate? Do you think that is possible.
I love vegetables by the way and eat lots and lots of them. Fruits too. But I get sick, very weak, if I don't eat meat for say a number of months.
chernabog
(480 posts)So I can't answer why you got sick.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)you were doing something really simple and easy entirely wrong.
If on the other hand you tried "it" and just found yourself back on meat, that happens.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)1) We don't know the quality of the diet you tried.
2) You might be the exception that proves the rule.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)That's strange. Most people who abstain from meat thrive on vegetarian or vegan lifestyles. This month marks my third year as a vegan, and I feel GREAT.
Sorry it didn't work out for YOU, but bear in mind that most vegans and vegetarians eat well.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)the sight of meat disgusts me. All that blood and tissue and fat... blech.
If no one bought meat the animals wouldn't be killed.
Glorfindel
(9,730 posts)and pests have to be eradicated. Imagine immense herds of cattle roaming the countryside, trampling crops and eating the food that humans need for themselves. There would be bounties on their hides, and they'd be slaughtered with no more compunction than is shown to rats and mice. Don't believe it? Ask the American bison or the passenger pigeon or the Carolina parakeet. Bison, although hunted almost to extinction, are still to this day killed when they wander outside of the sanctuaries prepared for them, and they are native to the soil. Human beings are omnivorous killer apes who won't tolerate competition from their own species, let alone other animals. Vegetarianism is a worthy and healthful practice, and I applaud you for practicing it. But it will never prevent the killing of animals.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Blackjackdavey
(178 posts)I'm genuinely curious about the end game in this line of thinking. I am neither a vegetarian nor am I anti-vegetarian or even pro carnivore. I am an equal opportunity eater and this question is genuinely agenda free. What if everyone stopped eating meat? It's not as if livestock are wild animals that would just be released into the wilderness -- even zoo animals are unlikely to survive that kind of transition. Therefore, wouldn't the elimination of animal based diets lead to a massive die off or even possibly extinction of some of these domesticated species? What are the ideas that address that issue? Just curious...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)NickB79
(19,247 posts)Our farm was a small, family-run operation in the 80's and 90's. We took very good care of our animals; we did not factory farm them.
Yet we still castrated pigs with razor blades and no anesthesia. We pulled piglets milk teeth out to allow them to suckle longer. We dehorned cattle with burning rods. We held livestock in pens for long periods of time to ensure they fattened up more rapidly. We fed them more corn and soy than they evolved to eat. We sold them to slaughterhouses where their throats were slit and their brains blown out by bolt guns.
If you want to eat meat AND do it as humanely as possible, ethical hunting and fishing is about as good as you can get.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)honoring them by killing them. Maybe they honored Tony the same way. Never know with these secret hand shake motherfuckers. It is probably where they sit Tony down every year and tell him how to vote.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"The Godfather"...I used to do it every few years to balance off my Idealism against Reality. I lapsed and haven't watched it in the last few years.
I'm going to Netflix and going to order the DVD of it....IF they still have it!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's a plot about all kinds of ancient stuff dating back centuries. The Grimm family are part of a segment of humans who are half human half animal. There's a lot of mysticism and freaky violent goings on.
I thought of it immediately when I read about this secret hunting group.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)but, was a fan of the original "Grimm's Fairy Tales" when I grew up..as scary and creepy as they were!
So...I will check this out if I can find it archived. Scalia was always a sinister character to me. And, I wasn't alone. Many rational contemporary people looked at his judicial rulings and his background and found fault with him.
Thanks for the "Heads Up."
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I think you can find it on Hulu or Netflix.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)It is filmed here in Portland, and is quirky as hell.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)if Scalia had a thing for robes. Robes for his day job, robes for his after hours activities...
valerief
(53,235 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)they all sit around the fire and talk...
valerief
(53,235 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)with Deer Antlers.
2naSalit
(86,643 posts)sounds like the former justice was quite the "society man".
benld74
(9,904 posts)The scene from Animal House
Thank you sir!!
May I have another?!?!
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)I have to admit, this seems rather harmless. And I wouldn't call this society mysterious - he lists it on his bio. Personally, I don't hunt and it doesn't interest me at all.
Guys resume is pretty impressive. Somebody with better memory than me can punch holes in his case history, but other than representing the Republican Party explicitly in the past, I didn't see any huge flags.
Turns out the smoking, obesity and high blood pressure was the likely cause of death. I was hoping for a Godfather II-style political extortion.
[link:http://www.wtplaw.com/professionals/c-allen-foster|
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)The weird is officially in play.
brewens
(13,590 posts)Out on some ranch where the game is kind of just staked out for you to shoot, isn't really hunting is it?
I'd be surprised if many of them would even want to go with some of my Idaho buddies and actually have to work for it. Then dressing out a kill, packing it out and in many cases, doing all the butchering, cutting and packing.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Who form secret societies where they wear green robes, have strange titles and chant arcane Latin phrases.
Sort of reminds me of the Bohemian Grove. Or maybe those other guys who wear white robes and hoods and have weird sounding titles.
I'll bet they run around the bunk house naked snapping each other in the ass with wet towels.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)All this sounds a bit batshit insane.
Stainless
(718 posts)The hubris and snobbery of rich elitist weirdos engaged in homoerotic rituals is pathetic while the rest of the world suffers from their degenerate hoarding of wealth.
What sick fuckers they truly are.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)kairos12
(12,862 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Talk about your Elites!
It's gross.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Fake hunting by fake tough guys.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)showing off his guns. Entitled Kid. "Bloomberg Business News" did a segment on him and his hunting advocacy.
If you hunt to "Eat to Live" is one thing. But, those Big Game Hunting Safaries in Africa or Captive Hunting is nothing but Cruelty to feed an ego to be "Macho Man or Woman." Ugh.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Lodestar
(2,388 posts)He's been trying to purchase Big Bend Park Land around his Cibolo Ranch for some time and is looking forward to his eventual opportunity:
John Poindexter
Originally written Oct. 30, 2005
Still single at age 61, Houston businessman John Poindexter is concerned about his legacy.
Will he be remembered as a combat-tested Vietnam veteran who became a wealthy industrialist and rancher with a passion for preserving some of the most majestic lands in West Texas?
Or will he go down in Texas folklore as the rich guy who wanted to buy a pristine part of Big Bend Ranch State Park?
Despite the controversy that erupted over his unsuccessful attempt in August to acquire 46,000 acres from the state park system, Poindexter said last week he may revive his purchase offer after next years GOP gubernatorial contest, which he claims had a role in dooming the initial deal.
Poindexter drew fire from environmentalists and park conservation groups that said they were ambushed by the unpopular proposal. He argued then, and still contends, the sale would enable the cash-strapped Texas Parks & Wildlife Department to acquire several pockets of private land within the park. The land, if sold, would be publicly accessible and environmentally protected, he insists.
Theres no urgency about this. Ill be there the rest of my life. I have 30 or more years to live out there, and I can wait, Poindexter said.
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Who-is-John-Poindexter-6837931.php
salin
(48,955 posts)waddirum
(979 posts)nt
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)letting the rich buy it and then keeping the riff raff off of it, I bet a lot of the nevada protestors soiling Oregn bird preserve would not be allowed on the "freed" land except to clean it.
LarryNM
(493 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)he was. Creepy.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)That sounds so bizarre ... Robes, Crosses, Latin mottos ...
I wonder of any associations with Opus Dei ... Scalia was a member, I believe ...
Zorra
(27,670 posts)have been held in high regard in societies throughout much of human history, and rightly so. Their skills in killing for food fed our tribal familial ancestors. Hunters killed the predators that wanted to eat our babies. Hunting was a primary and solemn responsibility. I may be mistaken, but I don't reckon there were any local neighborhood Safeways in the Mesolithic era.
That said, it might be a good thing if anyone who kills anything solely for pleasure and sport could to be taken aside and taught respect for life, or be prevented from killing if they cannot grasp the concept of not harming living things for "fun".
The members of the International Order of St. Hubertus might be among those who need to be prevented from killing for fun.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)"Hey, Most Exalted Grand Potentate Dude of The Known Universe, did you bring enough beer this time?"
"Yeah, verily, Ultimate Master of Truth and Wisdom and Serene Resolver of Disputes. Lots of ice, too. Did you bring more of those great little sausages?"
Otherwise, it's sad and pathetic.
Judi Lynn
(160,542 posts)Paladin
(28,262 posts)Anything which serves to make Fat Tony Scalia appear even creepier and more loathsome has my seal of approval.
Oh, and that reference to "boxed bird shoot competitions"? That practice is just as repulsive and worthy of condemnation as you might imagine. Just the sort of ugly non-sporting event that would get Scalia aroused.
SodoffBush
(1,035 posts)It's much easier to get onto the Supreme Court.
However, when vetting the next Supreme Court Justice, a good questions to ask might be, "Are you a member of any secret organizations?"
harun
(11,348 posts)First rule of fight club is never talk about fight club.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Gothmog
(145,291 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)So fricking weird. I wonder if Clarence Thomas belongs.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)no way would Clarence be a member of that club
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Botany
(70,512 posts)just saying and BTW to any gay s & m club members out there I am sorry if I hurt
your feelings but bringing up Scalia.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)move along folks, nothing to see here.
pfitz59
(10,381 posts)[link:
|Oneironaut
(5,500 posts)That means that the skill required amounts to going to a zoo, finding a tame animal that has been human-fed since it was born, and killing it from a distance.