Clinton thunders to big win in South Carolina

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Source: MSNBC

Hillary Clinton will win a landslide victory in South Carolina’s Democratic primary Saturday, NBC News projects.

Clinton defeated Bernie Sanders by double digits, dominating the minority vote in the diverse southern state and showcasing a broad coalition that’s expected to deliver another series of victories for her when Democrats in 11 more states head to the polls on Tuesday.

Clinton had long led by a wide margin in polling of the Palmetto State, where African American voters make up more than half of the Democratic electorate. Sanders did not appear in the state at all Saturday, campaigning instead in Texas and Minnesota as voters in South Carolina headed to the polls.

The former secretary of state bested Sanders by particularly wide margins among black voters and women, while Sanders more narrowly led among white voters and young people.


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Hillary may end up with a nearly 50 POINT LEAD!

[Kingofalldems]

1. Look out below.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. Overwhelming victory projected at 7:00.

[obamanut2012]

3. Damn, I thought it would be at 7:09

So they could get a bunch of ads in, first.

[beachbumbob]

4. 70% women support for Hillary, 85% black support

This is the landslide numbers Hillary can and will produce in Nov...

[w4rma]

6. High percentages of a low turnout election within the Democratic Party do not mean good times. (nt)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

8. For either candidate, I might add. There's been low voter turnout across the board for the

Democratic Party.

[w4rma]

79. Yup. I'm waiting for the numbers. But, I think it's down 50% from 2008. Bad numbers for a G.E.

Thanks Clinton and DWS.

[alcibiades_mystery]

124. 2008 was an actually contested election

This one is not, despite a lot of noise.

[kjones]

55. I believe AA turnout in SC was a record breaker? nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. That's what is being reported.

[sadoldgirl]

9. When was the last time that the Dems

won in a GE in SC?

[Blue_In_AK]

16. 1976.

And I don't think this will be the year either if Barack Obama couldn't even pull it off.

[jmowreader]

100. No, only Hillary victories in red states

Sanders victories are perfectly valid.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

11. 70% of women went for HRC but only we black people are being harassed for our votes.

The racism is clear.

Just wanted to point this out.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. +1000

[kjones]

61. Indeed. Some of the threads I've seen directed at black voters gave me some serious ick.

[leftynyc]

69. +1000

It's getting very crowded under the bus.

[justiceischeap]

74. Are you being harassed if you don't support Bernie?

The environment around here is scary sometimes but I don't know what life is like in the real world.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

80. I'm referring to DU primarily, but I've heard from other black overs (in real life) who have

experienced the same when they are HRC and not supporting Sanders.

We've been discussing this in various AA circles. For instance, in my AA Book Club.

[justiceischeap]

81. Sorry that is happening

especially around here.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

84. Much appreciated. :)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

91. One account of a black voter in SC...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118743510

[justiceischeap]

117. Thanks for posting that

I'd read he was a tough sell within the African-American community and I'm guessing the BernieBros have something to do with it (I'm guessing the guy that made the call to Scott is a BB). Also from this article, it seems that the Sanders campaign isn't aware of the politics of race politics.

[NastyRiffraff]

136. I am so sorry that's happening

The AA community doesn't deserve what you're getting here on DU. There is no excuse for the racism we're seeing here; I don't care who they're supporting.

[JimDandy]

98. If she makes it to the GE, she will not win any of the solidly Republican states, such as SC.

Just like Obama didn't, only way worse, if she is our nominee. Bernie would do much better in the GE than she will in all the southern states, but no Dem is going to get SC in the GE.

[humbled_opinion]

106. LOL that is Democratic voters silly....

and besides when Trump rolls out the Goldman transcripts and we see she was lying all along yucking it up with the bankers and half of the Democratic voters supports starts to say hey if this were out there during the Primaries we would have Bernie Sanders as the nominee, well let's just say the DNC demand that we circle those wagons and defend her lying ass just isn't going to happen... but I digress of course those transcripts may show nothing at all worth getting worked up over, wonder why she is choosing to ignore the will of Democratic voters ??? Please some Hillary supporter give me a reasonable explanation....

[noiretextatique]

135. 26% of AA's voted for Sanders in SC. Eom

[William769]

5. ...

[azurnoir]

33. yep low Democratic voter turn out worked well for Hillary

but if you look at the stats the big winner in SC was Donald Trump with 50 delegates - I seriously hope it's NOT a predictor of next November - TTFN

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sc%20primary&eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/

[William769]

37. So what does that say about Bernie?

No revolution in S.C. Same thing for Super Tuesday.

[azurnoir]

39. the SC loss for Bernie was fully expected

as are some future losses

[GoCubsGo]

88. The republican primaries are "winner take all."

The Dems divide theirs based on vote percentages.

[ultragreen]

113. I'm not voting for her

[link:http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.54477989.1241/ap,550x550,12x16,1,transparent,t.u2.png|

[Hekate]

129. Awwww. That's so sad. You do know that if HRC is the nominee, you'll have to take a bit of a...

...vacation from DU? Because of the TOS.

[Chicago1980]

7. Congratulations...

I would have posted something kind in the Sanders group, but I've been blocked.

Though I lean Clinton, I do want Senator Sanders to keep trucking along.

The debate is good for the party and country. I just hope we can all stick together come November.

[obamanut2012]

12. Cosign!

[man4allcats]

27. I will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, but

until then I'm supporting Bernie as the better choice.

[Chicago1980]

41. And that's fine. It's your right.

As I've said many times, I won't hesitate to vote for Sen. Sanders if he gets the nod.

[humbled_opinion]

107. I have a unity suggestion

Please tell as many people as you know to demand she release the Goldman speech transcripts.... because once she is the nominee and Trump gets his hands on them how in the heck will the DNC expect us to unify?

[ThreeWayFanny]

118. Nobody cares about . ...

..... her damn goldman speech .

[Petrushka]

123. I'm nobody!

[humbled_opinion]

132. and we

Million strong are nobody too... I wonder why Hillary supporters can't answer that question on the merits?

[Petrushka]

134. Who knows? Trump might already know what she said somewhere or other. She does talk a lot.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/snowden-sums-presidential-campaign-just-one-tweet

[Hekate]

130. Brilliant idea. Just as soon as ALL OTHER CANDIDATES are asked to do the same! I'm in!

[humbled_opinion]

133. I don't even understand your point

Bernie Sanders has never made a wall street speech where he earned six figures, so all of the other candidates don't have what your candidate does, so you still want to stand by some ridiculous fairness argument, no wonder people think you Hill supporters are all sycophants.

[Corey_Baker08]

142. Trump Has A Hell Of Alot More Scandals...

The only people talking about this are Sanders supporters on DU.

My idea for unity is why don't the Sanders Supporters Lift Bernie Up Instead of tearing Hillary down?

[Matt_R]

138. Groups a a safe haven for supporters...

not for someone offering condolences. Or so I've been told, when a Hillary group post ends up on the front page.

[TM99]

10. OK literally minutes after the poll the projections are in.

But what are the vote counts? Where are the voter demographics? What are the delegate breakdowns? 53 delegates are up for grab. Hillary lost NH decisively but still left with 9 delegates.

Does anyone have any real numbers yet?

[skepticscott]

13. So what are

you REALLY asking?

[John K]

14. Projected delegate split is 24 - 8

According to what is on MSNBC

[TM99]

17. OK then so

Clinton has 76 pledged delegates after 4 primaries/caucuses and Sanders has 60.

So the reality is that this is still a race. On to Super Tuesday.

[RBInMaine]

26. And on Super Tuesday Hillary is favored to win almost all of them by large margins.

After Tuesday this will be OVER.

[TM99]

28. No, it will not.

He has the money and the support to go all the way to the convention.

Hillary in 2008 stayed in months after she had 'lost'. Sanders deserves to do the same, don't you agree? Or are you a hypocrite?

[sweetloukillbot]

29. There's 53 delegates. You still have 21 to account for. n/t

[Ghost Dog]

76. MSM (NBC) calls it, before results are in.

As usual.

And reports as if the various sets of voters referred to are mutually-exclusive (black, white, women, young...(I'd like to see more detailed stats on the 'young' vote (which demographic, complicating the message for MSM employees, presumably includes all ethnic and sexual categories in the referenced age group))).

Spin on.

[TM99]

77. Exactly.

She won the black vote. But she lost the 18-29 vote. So obviously she didn't win the black 18-29 vote.

[Ghost Dog]

82. (Edited, because posted before finished (wifi playing up here)

So, 'young' in this context means under 30? Can we see a breakdown on that 'demographic', in all states as they come in, please?

[TM99]

85. This is what the NYT's put up for SC

just after the polls closed.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/us/elections/south-carolina-democrat-poll.html

You will have to go back and look for the other states. For example, while Hillary won the Hispanic counties in NV, she actually lost the overall Hispanic vote by almost 10 percent.

[erlewyne]

15. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders.

I belong to the 99% and am proud of it!

[ashtonelijah]

60. In SC tonight, you'd belong to the 24%. nt

[Bubzer]

67. That'd be an important statement...if SC voted Democrat.

[erlewyne]

127. Thanks Bubzer !!!

I am proud to be in the 24%

I proudly pay taxes and vote. I do not want to be in the 1%

[Bubzer]

137. +1

You have a rough lot, being down there. Glad you're here on DU, so we can help provide support to a fellow dem!

[GreydeeThos]

18. +1

[harun]

20. Congratulations SC

[Beacool]

22. Try to stay classy.......

[DirkGently]

32. That's not cool man.

C'mon. Hoist a toast for Hillary's people tonight and move on to the next one.

[MyNameGoesHere]

40. Ahhh Aren't you so cute!

What you didn't have a Hitler Photoshop available?

[Nye Bevan]

44. 4-3 to keep. Oh well.

Enjoy your offensive photoshop while I enjoy a quiet beer to celebrate the primary results.

[iandhr]

50. That sounds like a good idea. I think I will get one myself

[Nye Bevan]

51. .

[leftynyc]

75. I'm going

with tequila

[Laser102]

87. I'm older. Sipping Brandy. LOL

[leftynyc]

89. LOL

I do love a good cognac. I'm up there also.

[harun]

139. Not my photoshop, just a gif I saw online. Thought it made the

point that picking Hillary will help Trump. That is all I was trying to say.

[Chicago1980]

45. The kind of acrimony that's not needed.

[mcar]

59. Bless your heart

[stonecutter357]

62. sorry your man lost,

[hamsterjill]

83. This is really uncalled for.

Posted in very poor taste regardless of your support.

Do you think Bernie would approve of this kind of crap? I don't think so.

[harun]

140. I feel nominating Hillary gets us Trump

Happened across this gif and linked to it, not my work.

[hamsterjill]

143. It was still your choice to post it, and I feel it was in poor taste to do so.

n/t

[kwassa]

120. Poor loser.

[YOHABLO]

121. Sorry folks who don't like the above, but it pretty much says it all. Sanders is the difference.

[Petrushka]

126. Please forgive me for laughing . . . but . . .

. . . I couldn't help myself! Most of my living relatives are in South Carolina and, so,
I posted your (** uh **] artwork on my Facebook page with a congratulatory message."

[Beacool]

21. Wow, it appears that it was a "yuge" blowout.

[840high]

112. Stay classy.

[Beacool]

115. I was quoting Trump.

[DesertRat]

23. By a Wide Margin

[LannyDeVaney]

24. Appears the margin will be bigger than anybody expected ...

Some of the demographic spreads are staggering. This points to a giant Super Tuesday for the Clinton campaign.

[Zorro]

25. Now 78% Clinton 22% Sanders

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

49. You're right

I thought a 20-25 point lead would be a blowout victory for her. Now looks like it will be a 40 point lead! Tuesday will be a very good night for her!

[Nedsdag]

30. Why are people shocked by the winning margin?

Did people expect this to be close?

African Americans make up 55 percent of the Democratic electorate. All white South Carolinians voted in the GOP primary.

What will be news are will the Republicans win over 10 percent of the vote if Trump is the nominee?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. I see how Sanders' fanatics are belittling the Southern primaries, but they fail to realize/accept

two truisms:

First, Southern and Western states are more populous and diverse, a true reflection of the Democratic Party electorate.

and

Second, NO Democratic Party candidate--I don't care if it's Jesus H. Christ himself--can win ANY nomination without the support of a sizable portion of minority voters or women.

HRC seems to be doing amazingly well with both demographics.

[Nedsdag]

42. What did I say that was wrong?

I lean Sanders, but it doesn't mean he will win. I just have problems with your gal Hillary.

I don't see a major message or theme for the fall campaign except for "the other guys are worse." That's not enough.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. That message wasn't directed to you. It was a commentary, follow-on to your statement.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

47. ETA: Hillary Clinton isn't "my gal"! Sigh...

[jalan48]

31. Congrats to Hillary and her supporters on this victory.

We still have a long ways to go but tonight is your turn to celebrate.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. I hope that in the end we all can come together: Sanders and HRC supporters, as well as...

those of us who support neither candidate.

[houston16revival]

52. Support the Democratic Ticket in November

even if you have to view it as an anti-Republican vote

The supporters of both sides would complement one another
if they could focus on the common enemy

Trump is trying to roll everything, end the EPA

Is there a dumber idea?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

64. I hear you. ;)

[TrueDemVA]

90. Unfortunately, that may not happen

I know several friends who are Bernie or bust and I can't blame them. Hillary may do well in low turnout dem primaries, but in the General I fear a lot of people with either not show up or vote for the other side due to character issues on Hillary.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

92. I can understand staying home, but if they are voting for Trump then they were never truly Democrats

That's just despicable.

[houston16revival]

95. GOP must be defeated

Dems need every voter. Not voting is still a choice, to allow Trump or Rubio
in the White House. Do it for the EPA

[Hekate]

131. Izzat so? What you and your friends are saying is that they were never Dems...

....and don't know what is really at stake here beyond the anger so many feel. It isn't all about you.

but good luck anyway

[TrueDemVA]

144. You're mistaken

I didn't say I wasn't going to vote. Just saying I can understand that feeling of being tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. I mean you have to admit the there is a lot of saying one thing then lobbying behind the scenes for something different. I'm just saying it is frustrating.

[jalan48]

104. We all have to live together in the end. No since hating one another.

[mcar]

63. Nicely said!

Thank you.

[Beacool]

116. Thank you!!!

[DirkGently]

35. Congrats, Hillary people.

It ain't over, but tonight is yours.

[vercetti2021]

38. Congrats

Still not voting for her if she's the nominee

[arlington.mass]

102. Agreed

I'm sorry, but as a "progressive" who believes in pie in the sky ideas like universal health care, tuition free public universities for qualified students, a living wage for workers, and an end to endless war, I could never vote for HRC

[creeksneakers2]

119. What does somebody who would let Ted Cruz win

believe?

[iandhr]

43. Woohoo

[Trust Buster]

48. Hillary did to Sanders in SC what Obama did to Hillary there in 2008. Very good sign.

[mainstreetonce]

56. She did better than Obama

Even with blacks

[MBS]

68. Notable, but don't forget

that 2008 was a three-candidate race. The inclusion of Edwards in 2008 meant that no single candidate could have racked up the kind of percentage points seen tonight.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. Some caveats, though. It was a three-way race in 2008 with Edwards still in at his home state.

Second, Obama was still a virtual unknown, so the name recognition factor.

[rockfordfile]

53. Not surprised

Congrats to Clinton

[mcar]

54. K&R

Congratulations Sec Clinton!

[stonecutter357]

57. K&R!

[Trust Buster]

58. The Minneapolis Star Tribune just endorsed Hillary. After Tuesday, the dominos will start falling.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. Momentum must be shifting. Sanders was expected to win Minnesota. I'm assuming...

Amy and Al will be stomping for Hillary as well.

[totodeinhere]

65. Bernie must win several primaries on Tuesday or it's over IMO. n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

78. I predict that he may win a few, but it's not about the winning, it's about the margin of victory.

If he wins, he'll have to win on a massive scale to make a difference. I can't say that it'll happen. But I could be wrong, of course.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

122. He should easily win at least 4.

[alcibiades_mystery]

125. Vermont, Colorado, Minnesota, Massachusetts

I think he has to win all four.

[Bubzer]

70. Congrats to Hillary and her supporters for winning South Carolina.

[George II]

71. Currently about 75-24%, and leading by more than 125,000 votes.

[hamsterjill]

86. Congratulations, Madam Secretary!

Onward to November!!!!

[Corey_Baker08]

93. What A Great Night! Congratulations Keep The Momentum Going!

[elmac]

99. If its HRC vs Trump

the independents will go for Trump. Better be a HUGH voting turnout or its President Trump in 17.

[humbled_opinion]

108. Still not too late for a Democratic

nominee that can win the GE against trump.... but it sure is looking like the establishment is going balls out to make sure Hillary wins.

[SciDude]

96. Looks like Clinton will win NC if she wins the nomination!

OH... wait.

I think people can wait to start congratulating the oligarchs for retaining their stranglehold on power in America until after she wins the nomination. A lot can and will happen between now and then (if it happens).

[elmac]

103. SC will overwhelmingly go GOP

low turn out today compared to double for the fascists. 350,000 dems VS 740,000 went to the polls. Same pattern will continue so not looking too good for the GE.

[Historic NY]

101. Bernie is feeling the burn.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-24/sanders-spends-big-to-close-the-big-gap-in-south-carolina

[ultragreen]

105. Another victory for Wall Street and the 0.1%

Congratulations, Hillary supporters!

[humbled_opinion]

109. Don't worry you will be called on

to defend her, and her Wall Street buddies in the GE.... so get ready for that, doncha know...

[andrewv1]

110. HRC Supporters; Win the Battle, Lose the War....

Not a Lot of Class being shown here for a Deep South State that hasn't gone Democratic in the MAIN Presidential Election in over 30 years!

Wake Up....Hillary has an unfavorable rating of almost 60% throughout the country & three FBI investigations with her name on it...

Betting odds?

Not Good.

[Gamecock Lefty]

111. Bernie may have expected to lose tonight . . .

But by almost 50 points??? This was an ass-whipping plain and simple!

Onward, Hillraisers. Super Tuesday is next up for the taking!

[Stevepol]

114. One thing to keep in mind in SC is the voting machines.

Not so long ago in a Democratic primary to determine the Dem candidate to run for senator I believe, Alvin Greene, a black guy who did absolutely no campaigning, just filed to run and nobody in the state knew him from Adam. He was and still is a complete nonentity, who also had some criminal problems as well, the details of which I don't recall now. The guy running against him was a well-known and well-liked judge who did a good bit of campaigning to make sure he won the primary. But it did no good since he was running not only against Greene but against the ES&S Ivotronic vote theft machines. Greene won with 2/3's of the vote. In the early and absentee voting where paper was used, the judge did quite well, winning by an even greater margin I believe than Green won with the assistance of the Ivotronics.

The Democratic Party of SC, careful as always not to offend anybody or hurt anybody's feelings, refused to demand a re-run of the election, even tho in the Democratic discussions of the election results, a number of computer experts testified that the results were almost certainly a result of some sort of computer malfunction or programming problem. The logical thing to do would have been to demand the primary be run again using hand-counted paper ballots, but of course, the Dem Party has never in recent years been too concerned about logic or even about winning and losing too much as long as they could have a nice looking election that people could be proud of, and as long as nobody's feelings were hurt. To investigate something as obvious as a computer problem, whether just a machine malfunction or something else like (God Forbid) a computer maliciously programmed or hacked in some way to get the good judge out of the way for Lindsey Graham or whoever the Repub was he was going to run against, would be unseemly and untidy.

So I wouldn't entirely trust the results of the HRC vs Bernie vote. I think the same machines are still being used in SC now that were used in the Alvin Greene victory, tho I may be wrong. It could be HRC didn't win by as great a margin as the machines indicated, or it could be she won by an even greater margin. In fact, it could even be that Bernie actually won. There's really no way to know when the vote is counted on these machines and the vote is never audited and when, even in cases where a problem is as obvious as the nose on your face, nothing is ever done to make sure the vote is accurately counted.

[Hekate]

128. THUNDERS!

I am loving this.

[Corey_Baker08]

141. Hillary Won A Higher Percentage Of The AA Vote Than President Obama...

Talk About A Revolution...