Knife found buried at OJ Simpson estate, report

[Ichingcarpenter]

Source: Channel 5 fox news

A knife was reportedly found buried on the estate of football legend and one-time murder suspect, O.J. Simpson, according to TMZ.

The folding buck knife was found by a construction worker on the perimeter of the house while he was demolishing the house in 1998, law enforcement sources tell the celebrity gossip website."There are signs that it in fact had blood on it," said TMZ Executive Producer Harvey Levin.


The worker allegedly gave the knife to a police officer who was patrolling the area, off-duty while working at a movie site, who never turned it in.

The police officer retired earlier this year and told a friend at the Los Angeles Police Department about the knife. That worker told his superiors who demanded the officer hand over the knife The LAPD is secretly investigating. The knife is being tested for hair and fingerprints,

Read more: http://www.fox5ny.com/news/100443963-story

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"Green Eggs and Ham&quot

I did not kill my lovely wife.
I did not slash her with a knife.
I did not bonk her on the head.
I did not know that she was dead.
I stayed at home that fateful night.


I took a limo, then took a flight.
The bag I had was just for me.
My bag! My bag! Hey, leave it be!
When I came home, I had a gash.
My hand was cut from broken glass.
I cut my hand on broken glass.
A broken glass did cause that gash.


My friend, he took me for a ride.
All through LA, from side to side.
>From north to south, we took a ride.
But from the cops, we could not hide.


My trial lasted for a year.
A YEAR! A YEAR! Just sitting here.
The DNA, the HEM, the HAW!
The circus-hype the viewers saw!
A YEAR! A YEAR! Just sitting here.


Did you do this awful crime?
Did you do this anytime?

I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not, anytime.
Did you take this person's life?
Did you do it with a knife?
I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not anytime.


Did you hit her from above?
Did you drop this bloody glove?
I did not hit her from above.
I cannot even wear that glove.
I did not do it with a knife.
I did not, could not, kill my wife.
I did not do this awful crime.
I could not, would not anytime.


The glove you see it does not fit.
The lawyer says you must acquit.
Acquit because the cops all lied.
"Acquit, acquit", the lawyer cried.
The jury came back, verdict in hand.
And silence fell across the land.
Not guilty, not guilty, they did decree.
Not guilty, not guilty, now set him free.


And now I'm free, I can return.
To my house for which I yearn.
And to my family, whom I love.
Now would you please return my glove!!!!

[bananas]

1. Right where Fuhrman buried it. nt

[Gidney N Cloyd]

2. And that's why the cops sat on it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. So they wouldn't get a conviction

they buried it......

That Nazi cop was clever.

[jtuck004]

22. *snort* n/t

[Wilms]

3. That's what I figure.

Not like he hadn't a history of evidence planting.

[cpwm17]

5. Yea - when I want to plant evidence

I bury it where it can't be found.

[Wilms]

6. Not like he hadn't a history of evidence planting.

Or a relationship with the deceased, for that matter.

[cpwm17]

8. OJ owned the shoes that made the bloody shoe prints, something he denied in the trial.

http://www.people.com/article/oj-simpson-reaction-photo-bruno-magli-shoes-deposition-tapes

Bruno Magli shoes were identified as being worn by the killer. At the time of the trial there was no proof that OJ had such shoes. This photo surfaced later:

O.J. Simpson said he would never wear the "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes that Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman's killer had worn.

In deposition tapes taken just before the civil trial in which the former star football player was found liable for their deaths, Simpson says he didn't like "the look" or "the style" of the shoes, according to ABC News.

"I know that Bruno Magli makes shoes that look like the shoes they had in court that's involved with this case, I would have never worn those ugly-ass shoes," Simpson, who was found not guilty of the murders in criminal court, says in the deposition.

The shoes were a key piece of evidence in the murder case – the killer left a bloody size 12 Bruno Magli shoeprint at the scene of the crime. Attorney Daniel Petrocelli notes during the deposition that only 299 pairs of Bruno Magli shoes in that size have ever been sold in the United States.

[cstanleytech]

34. To be fair if you asked me if I owned a shoe made by x company I probably would have to go

and actually look to try and see who made them, its just not in my top 10 of keeping track of.

[Chan790]

46. I'd assume if you owned a pair of Magli shoes, you'd know.

They're about $500/pair off-the-shelf; upwards of $3000 for custom-sizing and manufacture, which these specific shoes were.

Maybe I'm just me...and that's throwing-away money for me (I've dropped more on a Manhattan bar-tab) but I'd remember who made a pair of custom shoes I spent three grand on.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. I think that did come out at trial

Maybe I'm mistaking the civil trial.

[cpwm17]

51. The Bruno Magli shoes, size 12, were ID'd as the murder's shoes before the trial

and brought up in the trial. The photo of OJ wearing the shoes wasn't discovered until after the trial. They couldn't prove, during the trial, that OJ owned the shoes; though even if they did, the verdict would likely not have changed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Ah, thanks

I have a vague recollection of the Bruno Magli shoes at trial.

Don't remember the picture's timeframe.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. You bury it where it CAN be found-- at such a time as it's needed or fits the case you're building.

[brush]

11. Yep! I'm sure Furhman planned on "finding" it at the right time.

[Matariki]

21. It was found. In 1998 according to the article

[StevieM]

36. Another article says it was found 12 years ago.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ron-goldman-dad-fascinated-insane-o-knife-discovery-article-1.2553003

[wheniwasincongress]

27. Figure this:

Talk about a massive conspiracy with dozens of police officers "in" on Fuhrman planting evidence against someone the LAPD loved and shielded from the law. Consider the coddling and covering up/minimizing of his domestic violence incidences when they responded to Nicole's calls for help. Which was like 8-10 times, and yet they never took him in to the station (and even let him flee the scene in his car when they responded once) as well as convince Nicole not to press charges. Also consider that OJ was very friendly with police and would regularly have LAPD members, 40 or 50 at a time, to his house, and they were allowed to come and go freely to use his pool and tennis court. The LAPD loved OJ and let him get away with so much shit because he was their fun and super-nice pal.

[Wilms]

28. Here's something I would ask people.

Is it possible that OJ was the murderer AND Fuhrman planted the glove?

Anyone stunned by that (and many were) had not thought through plausible scenarios.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

31. That's actually been a common school of thought.

As someone long ago put it, cops and prosecutors tried to frame a guilty man.

[Wilms]

32. I have not heard it regarding OJ.

That said, I did not follow that story, or reality TV, or soap operas and sports as if the fate of the nation rested on me being informed about those things.

And bottom line, framing someone is not cool. A shame that they absolutely knew OJ was 100% guilty but couldn't prove it.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

37. I agree, framing is not cool.

In fact I feel that if cops and prosecutors pull the stuff like they did here, they deserve to lose the case. If they're allowed to get away with it with OJ you know they're going to do it with other, truly innocent people who don't have the means to mount a strong defense.
The real shame of it here is that they probably had enough good evidence, if they'd stuck only to that, to put him away.

[Wilms]

39. Or they covered up who really did it...

or was ALSO involved.

That drug dealing was going on is a can of worms. OJ, Nicole, Ron, cops. A lot to sort through.

LAPD's lousy rap is well deserved.

[Reter]

56. Why would Furman bury it?

You think he wanted OJ to get acquitted?

[olddad56]

9. Poor O.J., Still trying to frame him after all these years.

sarcasm

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. Well DNA tech has made great leaps since then

So lets see what the knife says

I was just watching the new OJ movie The people vs OJ.
which had some decent actors and actresses playing the parts in this drama. It was OK, I gave it a 6 on IMBD though it was rated a 9.

So this bit of news seems to be a strange synchronicity
of coincidence or convenience depending on what they find on the knife.

[StevieM]

29. I'm not watching the People vs. OJ, but I am dying for the return of the Americans.

It's been suggested that the OJ show was a factor in delaying the season premiere of the Americans by two weeks. But others say that it was Keri Russell's pregnancy. Either way, it sucks that we have to wait two extra weeks.

I strongly recommend that you watch the Americans when the new season premieres on FX in 12 days, on Wednesday, March 16 at 10 PM. I truly believe that it is the best show on television. Hopefully the OJ show viewers will see promos for the Americans and decide to tune in.

[PatrynXX]

12. wtf

yeah right about the time where we go and the Rich get preferential treament X_X

[Kelvin Mace]

13. knife is useless since chain of evidence broken

[tabasco]

24. Well, he was acquitted anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

No matter how guilty he is, which he is, double jeopardy applies.

[Kelvin Mace]

25. True dat

[cannabis_flower]

45. Unless of course

someone else's DNA is on it.

[SoapBox]

14. Wow...

Is really all I've got right now.

But I'm confused...it was found in 1998? Where has it been and how did this story arise?

[tammywammy]

15. From the OP:

The worker allegedly gave the knife to a police officer who was patrolling the area, off-duty while working at a movie site, who never turned it in.

The police officer retired earlier this year and told a friend at the Los Angeles Police Department about the knife. That worker told his superiors who demanded the officer hand over the knife The LAPD is secretly investigating. The knife is being tested for hair and fingerprints,

[SoapBox]

18. Thanks...

I just didn't quite get that part...

But then the unknown retiring officer had then kept the knife for 18 years?

That's pretty fricking weird, especially knowing it came from the estate property...of course I guess he could just swear that he did not full understand where it was found...or something like that.

[StevieM]

38. Another article says it was found 12 years ago, not 18.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ron-goldman-dad-fascinated-insane-o-knife-discovery-article-1.2553003

[Fritz67]

16. I was flipping across and came to CNN...

...and went "WTF? After all of these years, they found an excuse to talk about OJ again?!"

But hey, at least it meant they weren't talking about Donald F***ing Trump for a little bit.

[C Moon]

20. Like "Ichingcarpenter" said above...

a tv series has been running: "The People v. O.J. Simpson"
The timing seems a bit coincidental to me.
But maybe the series reminded the ex-officer of the knife.

[Ichingcarpenter]

41. but it is a national distraction

To other deeper stories that'll the

public should pay attention to but don't

Now about those transcripts? Lol.

[C Moon]

44. True

[TexasBushwhacker]

17. The coroner said the knife had a 6 inch blade

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/index/nns9.htm

"Ms. Simpson was knocked unconscious against a post or handrails by a strong assailant and stabbed in the neck and head with a 6-inch knife."

A folding buck knife would have a blade that was 4" max.

[rtracey]

19. the idiotic part

The idiotic part is burying it on the home ground. This guy could have and maybe should have thrown it in the ocean, buried it 50 miles away, anything...

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. It's deeply unlikely

It's probably true - as the prosecution argued at trial - that Simpson dumped most of the evidence (clothes, shoes, etc.) in a garbage can outside LAX on his way to Chicago.

The notion that he would have dumped the shoes and clothes but buried the knife on his property (when, that night?) is just silly. He tossed the knife with the other stuff in the duffell bag. It's making methane in the bottom of a Los Angeles trash pile right now.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. The case was lost due to faulty evidence handling.

[scscholar]

26. Probably to make him look guilty...

since they knew they couldn't get a conviction. The incompetence was just too great to believe that it wasn't on purpose to attack OJ.

[happyslug]

30. The Case was lost because of overcharging....

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There was more then enough evidence to support a Manslaughter conviction, that OJ killed both persons without justification. On the other hand, the evidence that supported a MURDER conviction, i.e. evidence of premeditation, simply did not exist. If the Jury found that OJ had had a good time with with ex-wife that morning (Which was stated in the trial) and thought he could gain her back, and in that belief drove back to her house and saw her with another man and became so angry that he killed them, there is NO premeditation and thus NOT murder. THE DA tried to present evidence of such premeditation but none of it held up.

When OJ's attorney asked the judge to rule that the charge be either reduced to manslaughter OR manslaughter be eliminated as a lesser included offense on the ground the defense for the defenses for both murder and manslaughter conflicted with each other, and the Judge gave that choice to the DA,and the DA decided to to try OJ for Murder not manslaughter, the case was over. The evidence supported Manslaughter, an unlawful killing without premeditation, the evidence did NOT support premeditation and thus did not support a conviction of Murder.

Thus it is the fault of the DA, but it was NOT bad handling of the evidence, but over charging, In most abuse cases where the victim is killed, it is Manslaughter for the abuse that lead to the death is rarely premeditated. I suspect had the DA opt for Manslaughter instead of Murder, OJ attorneys would have had him change his plea to Nolo Contende, i.e. no contest to the charge. A Nolo Contende plea meant he would be treated as if he plead guiltily, but that plea could not be used against him in any subsequent Civil Action. The reason for that, given the evidence, the DA could have come into court in clown outfits and still get a conviction for Manslaughter, THE DA wanted to give a jury a choice convict OJ for murder, or see OJ walk, hoping the Jury given that choice would convict OJ of Murder despite the evidence.

That case is an example of bad prosecution against a well paid and prepared defense team. The DA thought they could get an conviction of Murder on evidence that only supported Manslaughter on the grounds the Jury would see that OJ did the crime and not want him to walk. The problem was the Jury saw the evidence, understood the instructions of the Judge and voted that OJ did not commit MURDER (Manslaughter was NOT an offer in front of them). Bad lawyering by the DA.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

53. No lesser included offense?

Sloppy lawyering. Sloppy indicting.

Giving the jury more than one choice would have helped a lot.

Or as the joke goes that we heard in law school: "Did you hear about the lawyer whose client was charged with sodomy? He got it reduced to the lesser included offense of following too closely."

That was the ONLY joke we heard in law school, because law school was Grim World.

[happyslug]

55. OJ was charged with both Murder and Manslaughter

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But OJ's defense team presented the judge the argument that the defense for either conflicted with each other. With the murder charge intent and premeditation would be the issues, in a manslaughter charge premeditation was not an issue. In a manslaughter case intent is still needed to be shown, but intent to scare someone would have been sufficient. I.e. No need to prove OJ intended to kill the victims, just that OJ had killed them with intent to do some harm.

Shirapo convinced the Judge the two charges were incompatible and one of them had to be dropped. The judge gave that choice to the prosecution who opted for murder. I do abuse work, but PFAs not criminal charges, but keep abreast of other aspects of abuse. In almost all cases of death do to abuse it is manslaughter not murder for killing the victim was NEVER the intent of the abuser. No intent to kill, no premeditation, no murder. On the other hand the abuse that caused the death was intended to cause some harm to the victim and thus enough intent to justify a manslaughter conviction.

Given the choice between murder and manslaughter the DA should have opted for murder, but the DA thought this was the case to get him elected judge, so he decided on murder. The assistant DAs doing the actual trial work also saw this as a high profile case that they could ride to higher positions, thus also agreed with the murder charge. When the jury said it was NOT murder, it goes back blew up in their faces, the DA lost the next election.

[cstanleytech]

35. Not to mention an officer being caught committing perjury on the stand sure as hell didnt help

the prosecutors case any at all.

[TexasBushwhacker]

57. A terrible job by Clark and her team

Having OJ try on the gloves, which had been soaked in blood and probably shrank when they dried, was beyond stupid. You don't introduce evidence when you don't know what it is. They had no idea if the gloves would fit and had him try them on over surgical gloves which made it even harder to put them on. Also, Judge Alito let the trial go on for far too long - 8 months!

[LannyDeVaney]

33. May be unrelated, but Marcia Clark has a book coming out ...

and of course there has been the mini-series on TV.

I'm not drawing any conclusions, but lots of OJ news lately.

[Fozzledick]

40. Are Donald Trump's fingerprints on the knife??!?

What has he been doing with those sneaky little hands?? We need a full investigation!!

[TrollBuster9090]

42. I don't know whose fingerprints are on it, but I heard they found...

I heard they found Steven Avery's DNA on it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. Glen Edward Rogers a serial killer also suspect

Rogers, a handyman, met Nicole when he was working on a repair crew at her house in 1994. His brother Clay claimed he called him a few days before the killing bragging about his new well-off client and promising to take her down. Clay also maintains that Rogers took a gold angel pin from the home after Nicole’s death and mailed it to his mother in Ohio.

He said OJ was there but he did the killing.

I doubt this but serial killers always fascinate the public
and his knife work was notorious in his murders.

Anyway, check this psycho out
there are a few good documentarys on
you tube on him

[cannabis_flower]

43. That's interesting but

unless there is DNA that is linked to someone else it's useless because Simpson can't be tried for Nicole's murder since that would be double jeopardy.

[NWCorona]

48. I can't believe we are gonna go down this road again lol!

But since we are. I'll just say that he probably did it but he was definitely set up.

As to this knife. It's a moot point as the chain of custody is gone and of course the double jeopardy but it would be amazing if it was the murder weapon.

[Major Hogwash]

54. This OP should be locked!!! The person who said this said tonight that it was "just a joke".

The new owner of O.J.'s house said it was "just a joke" late last night.

Not funny.