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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:47 PM Mar 2016

Obama says both left and right are wrong on Wall Street rules

Source: Reuters

U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday defended his efforts to rein in Wall Street, telling Americans that his administration cracked down effectively on banks and trading firms after the financial crisis of 2007-2009.

Obama, now in the last 10 months of his presidency, met at the White House with Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen and other top regulators to talk about their progress implementing the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act he signed into law in 2010.

He railed against rhetoric in the Nov. 8 presidential election campaign suggesting that Dodd-Frank failed to work.

"I want to emphasize this because it is popular in the media and the political discourse, both on the left and the right, to suggest that the crisis happened and nothing changed. That is not true," Obama told reporters after the meeting.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obama-wallstreet-idUSKCN0W91ZL

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Obama says both left and right are wrong on Wall Street rules (Original Post) IDemo Mar 2016 OP
Typical neoliberal dribble. TM99 Mar 2016 #1
Exactly Carolina Mar 2016 #35
Laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #2
Note that after Obama took office, the gigantic banks and financial firms at the center of the crash Maedhros Mar 2016 #6
And look at the huge number of Democratic Office holders across America. DhhD Mar 2016 #23
What about all those that have still not recovered and never 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #29
And many did not recover at all. I see where he is coming jwirr Mar 2016 #37
And how many have been charged with anything? Or jailed? 7962 Mar 2016 #16
And are the biggest banks then even bigger now? Yes, very much so. Red Oak Mar 2016 #20
There was much swept under the rug. Without a full accounting, charges filed, perp walks silvershadow Mar 2016 #21
None at the banks responsible for the crisis. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #22
Agreed 7962 Mar 2016 #24
yeah edhopper Mar 2016 #3
OK how many banksters went to jail? Vincardog Mar 2016 #4
Bullshit. nt GoneFishin Mar 2016 #5
With all due respect, Sir.... Raster Mar 2016 #7
Any pol ramming TPP down our throats chapdrum Mar 2016 #8
Obama always wants to position himself in the middle. Broward Mar 2016 #9
This is what Bernie says at every stop. dogman Mar 2016 #10
People involvement is the only way we are going to get this jwirr Mar 2016 #38
the crisis happened and VERY LITTLE changed: there MisterP Mar 2016 #11
complete bullshit Skittles Mar 2016 #12
LOL, he's feelin the bern! tularetom Mar 2016 #13
John Stewart nails it. Dodd-Frank is...... Skwmom Mar 2016 #14
How many bankers were indicted? Geronimoe Mar 2016 #15
On this issue and TPP PatrynXX Mar 2016 #17
Ah, dude? Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #18
Rec'd for all the above comments swilton Mar 2016 #19
"Cracked down effectively on Wall Street"? Akicita Mar 2016 #25
The banks are even too bigger to fail now. Mission accomplished? n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #26
Yes, no, just wait. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #31
Just wait until the next, and bigger economic meltdown Hydra Mar 2016 #27
BS. Sorry, not this time. No way, no how! 7wo7rees Mar 2016 #28
America is spun out - the spin is making us dizzy.. Baobab Mar 2016 #30
Krugman: Half A Loaf, Financial Reform Edition pampango Mar 2016 #32
I think we should remember that somebody SHOT A BULLET at this man's house. raging moderate Mar 2016 #33
sorry mtasselin Mar 2016 #34
Obama is "the right" these days, pushing further financial deregulation- and he's wrong Baobab Mar 2016 #36
I agree with PBO creon Mar 2016 #39
Yeah, right, from the guy who wants us to have TPP! dmosh42 Mar 2016 #40

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
35. Exactly
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

Middle of the road BS from someone who peopled his cabinet with Wall St types and put everything on the table!

Nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead armadillos -- Jim Hightower, a true liberal

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Laugh.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016
U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday defended his efforts to rein in Wall Street, telling Americans that his administration cracked down effectively on banks and trading firms after the financial crisis of 2007-2009.


Which is why the TBTF corps are now even bigger, and the finance execs are still raking in billions in bonuses.

Yeah, they've really been 'cracked down on effectively'.
 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. Note that after Obama took office, the gigantic banks and financial firms at the center of the crash
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

were made whole within 6 months. Some of the consumers who took it in the teeth because of the actions of those banks and financial firms are just now recovering.

Shows you where Obama's priorities lie.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
23. And look at the huge number of Democratic Office holders across America.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

Obama could not be called on the campaign for Democrats in 2014 because he had moved so far Right; especially embarrassing was his Social Security fix.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
37. And many did not recover at all. I see where he is coming
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Mar 2016

from - he wants a legacy that tells how he got Dodd-Frank passed and fixed the problem. But all Dodd-Frank does is make it so that the banksters cannot demand that we bail them out again. It did not make them stable.

Besides that even with Dodd-Frank we will end up being forced to bail them out due to the fact that we cannot afford a crash that causes a world-wide depression.

I will say that I don't think Obama could have gotten anything tougher into law due to the hate the Rs have for him.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
20. And are the biggest banks then even bigger now? Yes, very much so.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

Obama accepted plenty of money from Wall Street and look what it bought them:

Stay out of jail and grow much larger.

Pricey deal at $5.3B for Goldman Sachs alone, but well worth it to stay out of jail and proceed with business.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
21. There was much swept under the rug. Without a full accounting, charges filed, perp walks
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

then nothing will really change much. Oh, sure, they will have some rules to go by, but bet my ass those rules only attempt to provide framework for what they are already doing/have done.

I will never recover. My home was flat out stolen from me. The chance I will ever recover is highly doubtful. Had sand kicked in my face too, with the false meme that homeowners caused it.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
22. None at the banks responsible for the crisis.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016

Their poor institutions had to give up medium-big chunks in settlements, basically as a replacement tax bill for the plunder, and these agreements allowed all the human miscreants, the ones who can actually make harmful decisions and did, to escape with their earnings and bonuses and no charges whatsoever.

Nice incentive system! It can never go wrong again, I'm sure. The more thousands of pages in rules you write without ever punishing violators, the more effective, surely!

Broward

(1,976 posts)
9. Obama always wants to position himself in the middle.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

Well, when both sides are much further right than 35 years ago, his middle is to the right of Nixon on many issues.
As the Repubs move further right, these "centrists" will keep moving along with them.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
10. This is what Bernie says at every stop.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

"Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican or a Tea Party member or a socialist, if you are concerned about making sure that Wall Street is doing the right thing, check to make sure that your member of Congress is not trying to cut the budgets of these various agencies," Obama said.

I think that Obama's "I got this" attitude failed to keep his supporters involved. Bernie tells people that they are the power and it is up to them to demand change.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
38. People involvement is the only way we are going to get this
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

mess straightened out. And I wish the President Obama would have turned to us for help and then gone left. By failing to do that he had no choice but to go right.

Which is very puzzling considering he is a community organizer.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
13. LOL, he's feelin the bern!
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

He never before felt he had to come out and defend his administrations inaction, so something has got under his skin.

His credibility is in the shitter so his self serving explanation won't win him any converts.

And it won't help Hillary Clinton, if she is attempting to portray herself as the natural heir to Obama's policies.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
18. Ah, dude?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

It is just that kind of middle of the road nonsense that cost us dearly in 2010 and 2014.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
25. "Cracked down effectively on Wall Street"?
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:48 AM
Mar 2016

Not a single indictment. Then there was the Swiss Bank that was involved in all sorts of illegal activity including laundering drug money, evading Iran sanctions, and much more. Nobody was indicted because Holder said any indictments might roil the markets. That was actually too big to jail. It was un-American and corrupt to let those bastards go. I was so disappointed in Obama for not holding Wall Street accountable. He became one of them.

Bernie is the only one I trust that will actually hold Wall Street accountable and work to break their stranglehold on our politicians.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
31. Yes, no, just wait.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:30 AM
Mar 2016

Dodd-Frank will allow Clinton to draw up a list of TBTFs... soon as the next crash has come and it's time to bail them out again.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
27. Just wait until the next, and bigger economic meltdown
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:55 AM
Mar 2016

When Lloyd, Jaime, Summers and the rest of the Ghouls of Wall St. will demand all the losses be pushed onto the workers yet again.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
32. Krugman: Half A Loaf, Financial Reform Edition
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:33 AM
Mar 2016
I’ve been on record since early days saying that too-big-to-fail is not the key issue, so that the fact that big banks remain big is, um, no big deal. The real question — or so I’d argue — is leverage within the financial sector, and in particular the kind of leverage with no safety net that characterizes shadow banking.

So Matt O’Brien weighs in with evidence that leverage has in fact declined substantially, and continued to decline even as the economy expanded — probably because of Dodd-Frank. This is certainly right; the same decline shows up in other measures, as in the chart above showing financial sector debt securities as a percentage of GDP.

Should we have had a stiffer financial reform? Definitely — required capital ratios should be a lot higher than they are. But Dodd-Frank’s rules — especially, I think, the prospect of being classed as a SIFI, a strategically important institution subject to tighter constraints, have had a real effect in reducing risk.

The reality of the Obama era, for progressives, is a series of half loaves. But after all the defeats over the previous 30 years, aren’t those achievements something to celebrate?

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/02/03/half-a-loaf-financial-reform-edition/

From 2014:
Obama’s Other Success
Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Is Working


But what about the administration’s other big push, financial reform? The Dodd-Frank reform bill has, if anything, received even worse press than Obamacare, derided by the right as anti-business and by the left as hopelessly inadequate. And like Obamacare, it’s certainly not the reform you would have devised in the absence of political constraints.

But also like Obamacare, financial reform is working a lot better than anyone listening to the news media would imagine. Let’s talk, in particular, about two important pieces of Dodd-Frank: creation of an agency protecting consumers from misleading or fraudulent financial sales pitches, and efforts to end “too big to fail.”

Bankers, of course, hate this idea; and Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell tried to help their friends with the Orwellian claim that resolution authority was actually a gift to Wall Street, a form of corporate welfare, because it would grease the skids for future bailouts.

Did reform go far enough? No. In particular, while banks are being forced to hold more capital, a key force for stability, they really should be holding much more. But Wall Street and its allies wouldn’t be screaming so loudly, and spending so much money in an effort to gut the law, if it weren’t an important step in the right direction. For all its limitations, financial reform is a success story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/opinion/paul-krugman-dodd-frank-financial-reform-is-working.html

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
33. I think we should remember that somebody SHOT A BULLET at this man's house.
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:58 AM
Mar 2016

I remember all the threats against the lives of Barack Obama and his wife and their LITTLE GIRLS. And I remember those men with knives who came frighteningly close to their living quarters in the White House. And then there was that BULLET they found, shot into the window of the White House. I think there were no arrests on that one, but that bullet was real.

And the Republicons did vow, on the day of his inauguration, to wreck his presidency. And they kept that vow.

I have profound respect for Barack Obama. I believe he REALLY tried hard, and actually succeeded, with various clever ploys, in stopping the efforts of our corporate psychopaths to wreck our economy and plunge most of us into the poverty they believe we deserve.

At the start of that last debate against Mitt Romney, did anyone else notice Barack's unusual mood when he first came onstage. He apologized profusely to Michelle Obama as she sat in the audience. It occurred to me at the time that something odd must have happened just before he appeared, perhaps some really odd message or memo. There have been rumors of almost constant hideous threats during the course of this presidency. And we have seen almost constant unprecedented thwarting by the Republicons, to the point of violating the oath of support for the US Constitution they took upon taking their offices. This Supreme Court stall is just the latest one.

mtasselin

(666 posts)
34. sorry
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016

Sorry President Obama you are wrong on this there is one thing that people fear and that is going to prison and being held accountable for their misdeeds. And you sir allowed this to happen by not prosecuting these wall street thug's and yes I know why you let them off the hook because these are the same asshole's that gave you the money to get elected. You are on this path of selling out America to the highest bidder and I get no pleasure stating this because I voted for you twice and now to top it off you sir are pushing tpp even though you know it will destroy America, but what the hell do you care you got your's, right.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
36. Obama is "the right" these days, pushing further financial deregulation- and he's wrong
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016

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Elizabeth Warren was the only Senator who explained the truth..

The WTO does change US laws, it did in 1999 and the US pushed them into it.

We make them do it.

So, if we want to remain a world leader it is absolutely essential that we need to change our entire way of thinking and become responsible again. And back off of the push for financial deregulation and trade deals that overrule democratic rule and national sovereignty.

We have existed for hundreds of years without special corporate rights, we don't need them now.

With great power always comes great responsibility.

creon

(1,183 posts)
39. I agree with PBO
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

Both left and right are wrong.
They usually are; although for different reasons

If people have a problem with the laws that are passed - go talk to Congress.
It is the legislative Branch that enacts Legislation; not the Executive Branch.

Better yet, get involved, get elected and pass the Legislation that want you want.

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