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Royal Sloan 09

(406 posts)
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:05 PM Jun 2012

Tommy Chong Has Prostate Cancer, Says "Cannabis Is a Cure"

Source: Eonline

Tommy Chong shared some serious news Saturday: The pot-loving comic is battling prostate cancer.

Chong, one-half of comedy duo Cheech & Chong, told CNN he was diagnosed "about a month ago" with "a slow stage one [cancer that he's] had for a long time."

"I've got prostate cancer, and I'm treating it with hemp oil, with cannabis," he said. "So [legalizing marijuana] means a lot more to me than just being able to smoke a joint without being arrested."

Chong, 74, said he was drug-free for about three years, during which time he began having prostate-related problems.

"So I know it had nothing to do with cannabis," he said. "Cannabis is a cure."

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Cannabis is a plant with many useful properties, one of which is it's many medical uses. Then, of course the other use, is for recreational purposes.

However, it's still just a plant that has evolved through out this planet's creation, weather it's was by God's hand or evolution, it's still a plant that is safer than aspirin.

make the plant legal,

Is " in God we Trust " printed on the dollar or not?
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Tommy Chong Has Prostate Cancer, Says "Cannabis Is a Cure" (Original Post) Royal Sloan 09 Jun 2012 OP
If pot was a "cure," how'd Tommy get cancer in the first place? Archae Jun 2012 #1
He did say he was Politicalboi Jun 2012 #8
He went farther than that on CNN. sofa king Jun 2012 #15
Also, being in prison destroys a person's health - especially an older person CrawlingChaos Jun 2012 #23
That was my first thougth liberal N proud Jun 2012 #11
From personal experience JackInGreen Jun 2012 #12
Not just "pot". bitchkitty Jun 2012 #29
Rick Simpson is a great spokesman for it! GliderGuider Jun 2012 #46
Wait a minute: Alcibiades Jun 2012 #2
3 years "drug free" in prison. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #26
I'm a fan, but he needs to stick to comedy drm604 Jun 2012 #3
He might not be as crazy as you think Bradical79 Jun 2012 #49
Cure? Maybe. bluedigger Jun 2012 #4
Preventive PSPS Jun 2012 #30
Entirely JackInGreen Jun 2012 #47
I'm battling athlete's foot with beer. onehandle Jun 2012 #5
Vinegar is the cure Politicalboi Jun 2012 #9
I've drunk some pretty bad beer in my time, but I am not going to drink vinegar. nt onehandle Jun 2012 #10
Of course he says pot is the cure..... MindMover Jun 2012 #6
Pot IS just a plant AlbertCat Jun 2012 #7
I may be high but I have enough reading comprehension to understand where he says CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2012 #16
The antitumor effects of cannabis were gone because he stopped using it. Occulus Jun 2012 #56
If he's not also treating it with real medicine, he'll probably die. Which is a shame. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #14
my sister treated her brain tumor with "real medicine" and she died anyway. n/t Scout Jun 2012 #18
I'm sorry for your loss, but that doesn't mean that real medicine doesn't work better than woo-woo. Ian David Jun 2012 #20
it didn't work at all, actually. Scout Jun 2012 #24
No. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #25
Modern Medicine is not meant to cure. CanSocDem Jun 2012 #34
So I should toss my epi-pen hughee99 Jun 2012 #39
Is there a 'question' in that statement? CanSocDem Jun 2012 #43
I am asking "Are you suggesting I toss my epipen"? hughee99 Jun 2012 #45
Then why do pediatric cancers now have an 80% cure rate when a hundred years ago mucifer Jun 2012 #41
Don't muddle the woo with sound science MattBaggins Jun 2012 #51
I thought that it was the Republicans who shunned science Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #48
"Real medicine??" CanSocDem Jun 2012 #35
You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Ian David Jun 2012 #37
Out of desperation.... CanSocDem Jun 2012 #42
You have no idea how the gastric system works do you MattBaggins Jun 2012 #52
At 74 slow growth prostate cancer is unlikely to kill him before something else. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #27
That's kind of good news. "You'll die soon, but not from this." n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #28
Yeah, kind of. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #32
If you're a man and live to 80, you'll get prostate cancer NickB79 Jun 2012 #17
That is an important point. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #21
Exactly. He probably doesn't even need treatment. mainer Jun 2012 #22
This is so illogical. My dad has advanced prostate cancer, and smoking marijuana to stimulate kwassa Jun 2012 #31
I'm sorry for your father, but you're mis-interpreting my post NickB79 Jun 2012 #33
I'm not misinterpreting your post. kwassa Jun 2012 #36
Many men who are treated will experience misery, even death mainer Jun 2012 #38
My point stands. And, there are other ways of looking at how to treat prostate cancer. kwassa Jun 2012 #40
Prostate cancer is curable, but not by pot. longship Jun 2012 #19
The essence of cannabis use is... CanSocDem Jun 2012 #44
Cannabinoids may help fight cancer Bradical79 Jun 2012 #50
thank you for bringing the science in... nebenaube Jun 2012 #53
You're welcome Bradical79 Jun 2012 #54
Tommy Chong stubs toes; says cannabis is a cure 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #55
THC cures cancer! wildbilln864 Jun 2012 #57
kick! nt wildbilln864 Jun 2012 #58
Wow, man! Stroked Jun 2012 #59

Archae

(46,343 posts)
1. If pot was a "cure," how'd Tommy get cancer in the first place?
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

Pot may help Tommy Chong feel better, especially during chemo.

But to call it a "cure," is pure woo.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
8. He did say he was
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jun 2012

Drug free for 3 years, so that may have helped the cancer to take hold. I hope it cures him. And I hope it is shouted from the roof tops. Marijuana can help and or cure cancer. This just might be the publicity it needs to get the fucking message out.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
15. He went farther than that on CNN.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
Jun 2012

He said specifically that his prostate problems first became evident in prison, where he was clean and being drug tested every day.

It was his opinion that going off the weed gave the cancer the head start it needed.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
23. Also, being in prison destroys a person's health - especially an older person
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jun 2012

I heard Tommy say that the prison he was in is built on a toxic waste dump. He also developed gout from the horrible food.

If I were Tommy Chong, I'd have a very difficult time not being overwhelmed by anger and bitterness.

I hope he has tremendous success with the hemp oil treatment and regaining his health overall. My guess is he'll be around for many years and eventually die of something else.

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
12. From personal experience
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jun 2012

Cannabis kept my hodgkins lymphoma at bay for 5 on years before I got 'clean' and the tumors set in for real, oncologists and my surgeon both agreed that my return to increased cannabis intake were what helped me kill it outright (in addition to the chemo) in 3 months, instead of 6 to Never.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
29. Not just "pot".
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:02 PM
Jun 2012

Hemp oil - it's also called RSO, for Rick Simpson's Oil and I've also heard it called Phoenix tears.

It's not pot, and it's not meant for recreational use.

Alcibiades

(5,061 posts)
2. Wait a minute:
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

I'm a big fan, but if pot cured cancer, shouldn't he be immune?

Anyway, I wish him well. Hard to believe he's 74.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
49. He might not be as crazy as you think
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jun 2012

Inflammation is closely related to cancer, and Cannabis does have anti-inflammatory properties

Also, from what I can tell, preliminary testing indicates Cannabis may have tumor fighting properties.

Here's a summary from the National Institute of Health: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4


Not proof of it being a "cure" but it seems like it may help, and perhaps it would have prevented or slowed down the cancer if he could've continued smoking.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
9. Vinegar is the cure
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jun 2012

For athlete's foot. Stings at first if use without water dilution. But in a few days, your feet will adjust to it. Although I don't think it can cure your toe loss. LOL! Just pickle your feet.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. Pot IS just a plant
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jun 2012

but so are hemlock, jimson weed, and opium poppies.

Still, pot has got to be the most benign drug around!

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
13. I may be high but I have enough reading comprehension to understand where he says
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jun 2012

he quit smoking for three years and THEN got cancer. I guess some folks had a thought come to mind and chased it instead of reading the OP.

Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #13)

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
56. The antitumor effects of cannabis were gone because he stopped using it.
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:31 PM
Jun 2012

Cannabis is clinically known to have antitumor properties vs. tumors of various cancers, both benign and malignant.

We all read the OP. Why didn't you?

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
20. I'm sorry for your loss, but that doesn't mean that real medicine doesn't work better than woo-woo.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:04 PM
Jun 2012

Scout

(8,624 posts)
24. it didn't work at all, actually.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:13 PM
Jun 2012

2 surgeries, radiation and chemo.

marijuana isn't "woo-woo" but you know that.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
34. Modern Medicine is not meant to cure.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jun 2012


It's a placebo designed to make a profit. They (the shareholders) know this as well.


.
 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
43. Is there a 'question' in that statement?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:18 AM
Jun 2012


I see a question mark at the end of a declarative statement concerning your fear of bee stings. Here's some "woo" for you______stay away from bees.

.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
45. I am asking "Are you suggesting I toss my epipen"?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:51 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2012, 02:31 AM - Edit history (1)

since it's just placebo designed to make a profit rather than a medicine that will cure a condition. Whether I go near bees or not is essentially irrelevant to the question "does an Epinephrine injection treat an allergic reaction or is it just a placebo"?

A fair question for a broad brush.

mucifer

(23,559 posts)
41. Then why do pediatric cancers now have an 80% cure rate when a hundred years ago
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:35 PM
Jun 2012

almost no children survived cancer?

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
35. "Real medicine??"
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:13 PM
Jun 2012


American-style free market medicine???

You must be kidding. Your real medicine kills more people in a day than cannabis kills in 50 years.

You really should be careful what you call "woo-woo".

.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
37. You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jun 2012

"Medicine."

Until then, it's still woo-woo.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
42. Out of desperation....
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:08 AM
Jun 2012

...most call it 'the placebo effect'. Some, in utter confusion, simply call it "a placebo".

Advocates of your bizarro world of modern medicine call indifference, "erectile dysfunction" or "depression" or "pre-cancer".

Public Health is called "Mandated Health Insurance".

Heartburn (indigestion) is called "Acid Reflux Disease". The simple cure of baking soda and water, I presume would be called "woo-woo".

You'll have to pardon my disdain, but any defence of your medical industry, in particular, the demonization of known alternatives, makes you sound foolish....or worse.

Your dismissal of the hemp plant is breathtaking in its audacity. In the matter of HEALTH, whose interests are you really promoting???

.


NickB79

(19,258 posts)
17. If you're a man and live to 80, you'll get prostate cancer
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jun 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate_cancer#Castration-resistant_cancer

More than 80% of men will develop prostate cancer by the age of 80.[136] However, in the majority of cases, it will be slow-growing and harmless. In such men, diagnosing prostate cancer is overdiagnosis—the needless identification of a technically aberrant condition that will never harm the patient—and treatment in such men exposes them to all of the adverse effects, with no possibility of extending their lives.[137]


The argument that he got cancer because he stopped smoking pot for 3 years is ridiculous. If he had kept smoking pot those 3 years, his odds of developing it would still be very, very high simply due to the fact he's getting old.

mainer

(12,027 posts)
22. Exactly. He probably doesn't even need treatment.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:33 PM
Jun 2012

The new thinking in medicine is that prostate cancer, by and large, is not going to kill you. There is a minority of cases that become invasive but for the vast majority of men, it's something you die WITH, not OF.

And the treatment itself can be hell.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
31. This is so illogical. My dad has advanced prostate cancer, and smoking marijuana to stimulate
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jun 2012

his appetite and to cure nausea from the painkilling drugs.

IF HIS CANCER HAD BEEN DIAGNOSED EARLIER, IT WOULD BE MORE TREATABLE.

Because it wasn't, it had time to spread to his pelvic bone. The idea that NOT diagnosing it is some kind of public service is simply absurd.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
33. I'm sorry for your father, but you're mis-interpreting my post
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:52 PM
Jun 2012

The new thinking with prostate cancer isn't to not diagnose and treat at all. It's to stop diagnosing past a certain age, because if you live to 70 and you're still cancer-free, you're most likely to develop the non-aggressive, benign form of prostate cancer that doesn't require surgery because you'd die of old age long before the tumor becomes dangerous. It's still recommended that men in their 40's-60's get tested regularly for prostate cancer, because they're the age group most at risk of the aggressive form.

Yes, this means that some men in their 70's and older will still die of aggressive prostate cancer simply because statistically they will exist. However, the trade-off is that many more men won't die of complications from unnecessary prostate surgery and treatment. It sucks, but until there's a simple, cheap and easy treatment for cancer it's the best system we have.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
36. I'm not misinterpreting your post.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:02 PM
Jun 2012
Yes, this means that some men in their 70's and older will still die of aggressive prostate cancer simply because statistically they will exist. However, the trade-off is that many more men won't die of complications from unnecessary prostate surgery and treatment.


So, my dad is being sacrificed so that others will not die of surgery complications.

That is the trade-off.

mainer

(12,027 posts)
38. Many men who are treated will experience misery, even death
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:09 PM
Jun 2012

from treatment.

If the disease kills 1%, but treatment destroys the lives of 20%, it does lead to the conclusion that the least amount of human misery would result from not treating the vast majority of men.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
40. My point stands. And, there are other ways of looking at how to treat prostate cancer.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jun 2012

from Dr. Dean Ornish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-dean-ornish/prostate-cancer-screening_b_1587932.html

The oft-repeated statement that one cannot reasonably distinguish the indolent prostate cancers from the aggressive ones is a myth. With basic information available on all patients in contemporary practice, prostate cancers can be risk-stratified with a good degree of accuracy. With the advent of novel blood, tissue, and imaging tests, predictive accuracy will increase further in the very near future.

The serum PSA test should not be used alone for screening; it leads to too many unnecessary biopsies. A better estimate of individual risk, including the risk of more lethal disease, can be obtained by combining the PSA test with other information such as age, family history, ethnicity and a host of novel markers being incorporated into so-called risk calculators.

The problem is that treating clinicians have historically done a poor job matching the right patients with the right treatments. These trends are starting to change, and a key advance in recent years, championed by many (including us and others at our institution), is active surveillance for men with low-risk prostate cancer.

Some writers (including the USPSTF) incorrectly conflate active surveillance with the older concept of "watchful waiting," which implies doing nothing, in effect sitting under a sword of Damocles and nervously fearing that the disease may progress to an incurable state. Active surveillance, in contrast, entails careful observation of the tumor through serial testing, with every intent of cure at the first sign of progression. To embrace active surveillance is to descend from the horns of the dilemma between avoidable overtreatment and anxious passivity in the face of an unnerving cancer diagnosis.

longship

(40,416 posts)
19. Prostate cancer is curable, but not by pot.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jun 2012

Although pot is probably a good thing to have while you are dying from your untreated prostate cancer.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
44. The essence of cannabis use is...
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jun 2012


...its psychological effects. If you feel good, as per the effects of cannabis then you are unlikely to get sick. Of course ModernMedicineInc doesn't want to tell you this because they have a variety of treatments on the market, both for suppression of pain and for elevating your mood.

If you or your insurance company can pay for it, they are equipped to cut off a body part or an offending organ that they hope is the source of your pain or discomfort.

Of course there still exists that pesky condition known as phantom pain in body parts that are no longer there. That really should be a clue as to where 'pain' comes from but again it is easier to numb your senses with the latest narcotic.

Narcotics induce complacency and more importantly maintain the big lie of Modern Medicine.

Cannabis makes you sensitive to your bodily needs and to the brainwashing carried on by industrial society. Pot smokers have a low tolerance for crap.

.







 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
50. Cannabinoids may help fight cancer
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

"Cannabinoids may cause antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[13]"
 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
54. You're welcome
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:58 PM
Jun 2012

I don't know what the best path for treatment of prostate cancer specifically is at his age, but I just don't think he should be completely ridiculed. Sure, he looks and sounds like the stereotypical "burned out hippy", but he's not necessarily out of his mind for wanting to try that path. He's a pretty old dude and would naturally have concerns about the quality of life conventional treatment would leave him with. We don't know what his doctor said to him, but I do know that not all prostate cancer is treated in old guys.

Also, I can't be shocked that someone who has dedicated a significant amount of his life to promoting his favorite plant family would want to be a public human guinea pig for it's possible medical applications

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
55. Tommy Chong stubs toes; says cannabis is a cure
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jun 2012

Tommy Chong not feeling 100% today; says cannabis is a cure.

Tommy Chong can't find his keys; says cannabis is a cure.

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