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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:32 PM Apr 2016

Ted Cruz is US citizen, judge rules

Source: BBC

A judge in New Jersey has ruled that Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz is a "natural-born citizen" under the US constitution and may run in the state's primary elections in June.

A group of residents had challenged the Texas senator's eligibility for the presidency. He was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.

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On Tuesday, Judge Masin dismissed the challenge, while acknowledging that "absolute certainty as to this issue is only available to those who actually sat in Philadelphia and themselves thought on the issue".

"The more persuasive legal analysis is that such a child, born of a citizen-father, citizen-mother, or both, is indeed a 'natural born citizen' within the contemplation of the constitution," he wrote in a 26-page decision.



Read more: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ted-cruz-is-us-citizen-judge-rules/ar-BBrHzpx?ocid=spartanntp

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Ted Cruz is US citizen, judge rules (Original Post) TomCADem Apr 2016 OP
Little doubt he's a US citizen; elleng Apr 2016 #1
I would challenge that he is a citizen of any country. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #14
HE IS A CARPETBAGGER HowHasItComeToThis Apr 2016 #23
Ted Cruz is Horrible Excuse for a Human Being, let alone a US Citizen, DUer rules maxsolomon Apr 2016 #2
Does this mean his mother committed voter fraud in Canada? Thor_MN Apr 2016 #3
What was an unnatural-born citizen? houston16revival Apr 2016 #4
Oh man, I've gotta go find the comments on some RW site. 7962 Apr 2016 #5
opinions are "mixed" let us say Angel Martin Apr 2016 #20
Totally unbiased headline, huh? Thanks for the post! nt 7962 Apr 2016 #25
I think the wrong question was asked. potone Apr 2016 #6
lol n/t lordsummerisle Apr 2016 #7
ahahhahaha Zira Apr 2016 #11
He was hatched from spores. Feeling the Bern Apr 2016 #18
YES, HITCHHIKER FROM SOME ASTEROID! cynzke Apr 2016 #31
Maybe by "natural born" he was referring LiberalElite Apr 2016 #8
That is the only way he could be. -none Apr 2016 #32
...now. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #9
But, is he human? Zira Apr 2016 #10
If corporations are people, I guess he is. He's Jesus Incorporated. nt valerief Apr 2016 #15
So, if God forbid, Cruz wins, we have to put of with RW birthers for ANOTHER 4 years? Zira Apr 2016 #12
Where is Orly Taitz as an expert witness? keithbvadu2 Apr 2016 #13
No other country wants to take the blame. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #16
There wasn't enough outcry from Orly Taitz. I demand my money back! Gregorian Apr 2016 #17
A judge in New Jersey, eh? For enough money a "judge in New Jersey" would declare him a MADem Apr 2016 #19
Ted Cruz is a kitty-cat away from being a Bond villain. nt TeamPooka Apr 2016 #21
I thought this was sorted out months ago... MynameisBlarney Apr 2016 #22
The judge must be on crack, or a right wing nutjob. mdbl Apr 2016 #24
According to FR, the judge is a LEFT wing obama friendly judge! 7962 Apr 2016 #26
FR is always full of shit mdbl Apr 2016 #28
Dear Canada, sofa king Apr 2016 #27
To sweeten the deal, we'll toss in Justin Bieber. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #30
He is now. Darb Apr 2016 #29
Yeah? Where's his birth certificate? struggle4progress Apr 2016 #33
Judge Jeff Masin is an Administrative Judge for the State of New Jersey. RAFisher Apr 2016 #34

elleng

(130,974 posts)
1. Little doubt he's a US citizen;
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

'natural born?' Have to read the 26 page decision.

'New Jersey's Lt Governor, Kim Guadagno, is now expected to review the decision.' ???

'Judge Masin added that his decision might be adopted, modified or rejected by Lt Gov Guadagno, New Jersey's secretary of state, who is authorised to make a final decision on the matter. She must transmit the names of candidates to appear on the primary ballot to county clerks by Thursday.'

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
14. I would challenge that he is a citizen of any country.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

It has been cited that he was born in Canada at a time that dual citizenship was not permitted. Since there is not documentation via the consular office by his mother he would most likely be a Canadian. This is in addition to her being registered to vote in Canada as a Canadian citizen.

Why wouldn't he be a citizen of any country? If he isn't American and he renounced his Canadian citizenship he has nothing left.

He is an illegal immigrant.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
2. Ted Cruz is Horrible Excuse for a Human Being, let alone a US Citizen, DUer rules
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

that DUer would be me.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
4. What was an unnatural-born citizen?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

My thinking, for what it's worth, is that 'natural-born' referred to
people born within the borders of the US colonies before the revolution,
in other words they wanted to exclude people born on foreign soil
before or after the revolution and founding of the United States.

I don't think Cruz is eligible. Alexander Hamilton wasn't eligible.

They wanted to exclude foreigners! Ferners!

potone

(1,701 posts)
6. I think the wrong question was asked.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

Nothing will persuade me that he is a "natural born citizen" of any country. I think he is a space alien, sent to destroy the human race. That is the only theory that fits his record.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
31. YES, HITCHHIKER FROM SOME ASTEROID!
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

We won't see the affect (defect?) for generations after reproducing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. A judge in New Jersey, eh? For enough money a "judge in New Jersey" would declare him a
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 10:45 PM
Apr 2016

Martian!!!

A judge in New Jersey ain't the ultimate decider. If we regarded the Constitution in the strict constructionist method favored by Cruz, he would NOT be eligible.

Also, there's some question as to whether his parents were Americans when they had that little shit. They were both on the Canadian voter rolls at the time of his birth. Wassup wit dat?

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
24. The judge must be on crack, or a right wing nutjob.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:06 AM
Apr 2016

Natural born always meant place of birth, not parentage. Why would they bend our constitution for Ted Cruz? Nothing is sacred any longer.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
28. FR is always full of shit
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

but if they are right for once in my lifetime, then the judge is on crack.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
27. Dear Canada,
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 08:32 AM
Apr 2016

Dear Canada,

Thank you for your Ted Cruz, but will you take him back now for a Mackintosh's toffee bar and some doughnuts? He probably won't go very far in your political system, which seems a lot more reasonable than ours. And he's worth a lot less than a toffee bar.

Thanks,

America

RAFisher

(466 posts)
34. Judge Jeff Masin is an Administrative Judge for the State of New Jersey.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

New Jersey only allows people who are eligible to be president to appear on the ballot. Judge Masin ruled that Ted Cruz is allowed to be on the ballot in New Jersey. This doesn't really settle anything; a state judge in New Jersey is not going to be the one who ultimately decides how to interpret the constitution.

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