60-Year-Old Christian Woman Publicly Caned In Indonesia For Breaking Sharia Law

[MariaThinks]

Source: Huffington Post

A 60-year-old Christian woman was caned yesterday (April 12) in Indonesia’s Banda Aceh province—for breaking rules aimed at Muslims. It was the first time somebody from outside the Islamic faith was caned under the province’s harsh sharia regulations.

In the same nation where beachgoers in Bali throw back beers and frolic in bikinis, the woman was whipped nearly 30 times with a rattan cane before a crowd of hundreds, for the crime of selling alcohol. The canings are performed in public with shaming in mind. While many onlookers find the punishments hard to watch, some shout insults at the victims and hold up their cameraphones to record and share the macabre spectacle.

Until recently, sharia regulations applied only to the province’s Muslim population. But under bylaws that went into effect late last year, now members of other religions can also be punished under the rules—although until yesterday it wasn’t clear just how far that would go.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/christian-woman-caned-in-indonesia_us_570ea448e4b0ffa5937e0482

[catbyte]

1. Organized religion is the biggest scourge on the planet, and a religious government is

the absolute worst. Don't kid yourselves--this will be the USA if the Dominionists have their way. Disgusting.

[MariaThinks]

2. please name a Christian majority country that allows public floging today?

[catbyte]

5. Oh, here we go. I'm not about to get into a "my religion is better than yours" with you.

I'm Ojibwe, and my mom, born in 1924, refused to wear sleeveless blouses or bathing suits in public because she was self-conscious of the scars on her shoulders and back. Just how did she get those, you ask? Well, it was from the oh-so-Godly nuns and priests at the Catholic school she was forced to attend after she was taken away from our family. The beatings started when she was 8. What crime did she commit to warrant that punishment? She made a mistake in class and said "thank you" in Ojibwe instead of English. So don't give me that Christianity is so much better than Islam crap. If these nut cases in the Republican party have their way, it would be just as bad.

[MariaThinks]

12. the vast majority of people do not support the nutjobs in the republican party

[catbyte]

13. How many anti-Planned Parenthood & anti-abortion bills have passed in red states?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. I completely agree with you, if America's right wing Christians were allowed

they would implement very extreme measures to deal with the nonbelievers or the malcontents, I would be a malcontent for sure.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

29. Yeah and us atheists (not implicating you) will probably be excorsized.

If that doesn't work we get to choose - tarred and feathered and run out on a rail - or sent to live with a very "nice" priest, that will take good care of us.

[blm]

15. Tell that to NC, Wisconsin, Kansas, Florida, and Ohio and other purple states

who were duped by 'religious' issues into turning red and giving the Republican party the majority in Congress and the Senate.

[Major Nikon]

22. The vast majority of people don't support religious nutjobs either

...and yet they are still able to exert significant influence over the rest of the population pretty much everywhere to one degree or another. That's how organized religion works and is exactly why it was invented and continues to flourish. It allows a few to exercise control over the many.

[Chan790]

46. Don't waste your time...

this is the same one that thinks the FBI is lying to her when they say that Islamic terrorism isn't even in the top-5 for motivators of terrorist acts over the past 30 years based on number of acts. (In fact, it comes in behind Puerto Rican separatism and Jewish terrorism...neither of which seems to be much of a problem.) When I pointed out that the LRA in the name of Christianity has killed, kidnapped or displaced more people than Daesh and Al Qaeda combined...she send me a list of every terrorist act committed by a Muslim that she could find globally...as if that changes things like statistics or the well-researched and first-hand determinations of law enforcement and international NGOs working on these issues.

Maria thinks she's Pammy Geller, it seems, and if she continues to harp on the "The Muslims are evil." meme that it will become true.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

64. The fine print on that chart - ON U.S. SOIL

There is no doubt which group in your pie chart commits more terrorist acts worldwide.

"International NGOs" have nothing to do with that chart.

And your chart goes from 1980 to 2014. I wonder what it would look like if it went from 2000 to 2016? Pretty different, I will imagine...

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

73. When the LRA attacks in London, New York,

San Bernadino, Boston, Cologne, Paris, etc., get back to me.

The Lord's Resistance Army is waging war in third-world countries. The people they kill are very real and just as worthy as life as any of us, but the situation in that area is very different.

And from Wiki:

"The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), also known as the Lord's Resistance Movement, is a rebel group and heterodox Christian cult which operates in northern Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[7] Originally known as the United Holy Salvation Army and Uganda Christian Army/Movement, its stated goals include establishment of multi-party democracy,[8] ruling Uganda according to the Ten Commandments,[9] and Acholi nationalism,[10] though in practice "the LRA is not motivated by any identifiable political agenda, and its military strategy and tactics reflect this".[11] It appears to largely function as a personality cult of its leader Joseph Kony,[10] a self-declared prophet whose leadership has earned him the nickname "Africa's David Koresh".[12]

It was listed as a terrorist group by the United States [13] (but has since been removed from the list of designated active terrorist groups) and has been accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, child-sex slavery, and forcing children to participate in hostilities.[14][15] -

and

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/world/africa/us-broadens-sanctions-on-joseph-kony-and-his-group.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FLords%20Resistance%20Army&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0

[Odin2005]

40. That is the same bad logic behind almost every form prejudice and bigotry.

"I was harmed by a member of group X and therefor all members in group X are bad".

The horrible things your mother experienced had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with racism towards Native Americans and authoritarian social norms regarding corporal punishment that were nearly universal and went unquestioned until just the last few decades. Hell, corporal punishment of students is still perfectly legal in some US states.

[catbyte]

47. Riiiight, and I suppose the priest abuse of young boys and harsh punishment of white kids

in Catholic schools had nothing to do with the Catholic/Christian culture either, but sexism against boys or ageism against children. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Skittles]

68. wow

and I have heard more than a few first-hand stories from friends / coworkers about beatings from nuns in Catholic schools, for something as innocent as a 5 year old lifting a girl's skirt

[TipTok]

7. It's rape vs murder...

One is worse than the other but they are both terrible.

[whatthehey]

9. Please name the religion passing bigoted laws in the US

Ideologies that place any dogmatic strictures above the freedom and equality of all humans find many and various ways to limit both. Unless you kneejerk criticize all inductive opinions, inferring the general from the specific applies here too.

[catbyte]

10. Well, Uganda is a Christian nation, and didn't they pass a law outlawing being gay & wanted to

execute them? That charming law was promoted by U.S. evangelical priests.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/1/retrogressive-antigaylawinugandahastiestotheus.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-religious-presses-anti-gay-laws-africa-125113762.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/143999/u.s._christian_right_activists_pushing_death_penalty_for_homosexuals_in_poor_african_state

[MariaThinks]

56. do you feel any sympathy for the lady who is being flogged in a muslim majority country simply for

selling alcohol?

[catbyte]

62. Of course. Why are you so defensive and hateful towards anyone who's non-Christian?

Maybe hateful is a little strong, but definitely hostile. Was alcohol against the law? I suspect it was, so why was she selling it? I think that Sharia Law is despicable and evil, but if it's the law, then you can't ignore it just because you're not a Muslim. I know that the rules recently changed, but until religion is abolished from government completely, this sort of atrocity is going to continue.

[Bad Dog]

25. "please name a Christian majority country that allows public floging today?"

Leaving aside the fact that the above does not need a question mark, you really should check stuff up before you post your inane drivel. All you do is post negative stories about Muslims because you're an Islamophobic bigot, and like most bigots you're not very intelligent.

Barbados, Botswana, Swaziland, Tonga, Trinidad & Tobago, and Zimbabwe are all Christian majority countries with judicial caning on their statute books, but you'll never start a thread complaining about that.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

30. Punctuation Nazi! (I though they only existed in fairy tales.)

What do you mean she doesn't need a question mark! I believe she does?

[Bad Dog]

36. It's not a question.

It's a request. I see you're not bothered with Islamophobia as long as you can use sloppy grammar.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

37. Islamophobia? I don't suffer from that malady.

[Bad Dog]

44. But you'd still rather ignore the central point of my post and focus on the minor detail.

I pointed out Maria Thinks' poor punctuation as a part of her bigotry. Bigots are generally quite ignorant which is why a lot of them can't spell, form sentences or use punctuation properly.

[MariaThinks]

72. Neither do I. I only focus on facts.

[LiberalElite]

38. besides the question mark -

flogging has 3 "g"s.

[MariaThinks]

57. anyone who talks about punctuation on an important topic isn't interested in

humanity.

disgusting.

[Bad Dog]

58. You are the disgusting one.

All you do is post negative stories about Islam, and ignore all the good. You're a bigot, and like most bigots you're very ignorant. Your inability to construct basic sentences is all part of your ignorance.

I see you have no answer to the list of Christian majority countries who still practice public flogging.

You have no interest in humanity which is why you try to separate them into two groups based on your own prejudices.

[MariaThinks]

59. sure- posting facts is bigotry. Name one lie i've posted. I think people who call others bigots

are themselves more bigoted.

and I condemn any country that flogs people. Then there are the other muslim dominated countries that stone people to death for adultery and cut off limbs for theft. Any Christian majority countries that do that?

[Bad Dog]

60. Posting a one sided argument is bigotry.

And using dubious sources such as the Times of India. There are plenty of positive stories about Muslims and negative stories about Christians out there but you won't post any of them.

You may not comprehend what it is you're doing but plenty of others do which is why you've had two posts hidden.

You've not admitted you were wrong about Christian majority countries and public flogging. When you come to terms with the truth I might be minded to answer some more of your inane questions.

[MariaThinks]

61. anyone who think times of india is dubious is a bigot. is it dubious because it is from India.

people like to suppress free speech by hiding threads. Great way to try to intimidate other people.

are you concerned about the poor lady that was flogged? how much have you typed about her?

you don't need to answer my questions. you're nothing to me.

[Bad Dog]

63. Your threads were hidden because they were probably bigoted.

I don't know, it had nothing to do with me. There are T of S and you must have broken them.

The Times of India is dubious when it's used as the only source in a story about Pakistan. That's something most kids know.

[MariaThinks]

65. i notice you have no words for the Christian lady that was flogged by the muslim government

only bigots believe the Times of India cannot be relied upon. There is no reason to believe so. Which means you are bigoted against India.

[Bad Dog]

66. You've yet to respond to the fact that some Christian majority countries still practice flogging.

I'm not going to reply to any more of your moronic questions until you do.

[Android3.14]

33. Barbados

95% Christian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbados
Allows caning for breaking the law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_corporal_punishment

[LeftishBrit]

45. I don't know whether it's done publicly; but judicial corporal punishment is on the books in several

Christian-majority countries, especially in the Caribbaean: Grenada, Barbados, the Bahamas, St Vincent and others.

Singapore notoriously uses caning as a judicial punishment. It is religiously diverse, but Christians outnumber Muslims, and the largest religious group is Buddhists.

The UK only abolished judicial corporal punishment in the 1960s; the Isle of Man only in 2000, though they hadn't used it there since the 1970s.

[pnwmom]

3. This is ridiculous. Not every religion is the same. But I'm curious -- you're a Bernie supporter,

right?

So how do you feel about his Vatican visit?

[catbyte]

6. No, I'm not. WTF does THAT have to do with anything anyway?!?

[pnwmom]

31. There is a great overlap here between Bernie supporters

and Catholic bashers. It seems most of them have temporarily put aside their Catholic bashing and are all on board with his trip to the Vatican.

[Android3.14]

34. Seems like the bashing is from Hilary supporters

They seem more upset than anyone else.

Of course, we know why. They know in their hearts that Bernie is a humane leader, whereas Hilary is simply a political mercenary.

[hamsterjill]

50. This is why we must not let the Republicans take the White House.

Can you seriously imagine Ted Cruz as President. Frightening!

I am Christian, but I fully understand AND support complete and utter separation of church and state.

[jtuck004]

4. We beat, jail, and kill black folks for breaking the white man's law, so this doesn't seem so out of

character for humans, regardless of their religion.

For the same things that we let white people do without question every day...

[TipTok]

8. No 'white man's law' here...

That was a wee bit hyperbolic.

Take a deep breath and go outside. You'll feel better.

[jtuck004]

14. Ah, privelege speaks. If I step outside I can see the black prisoners being roped together

for court by their mostly white guards, attorneys, judges. That what you mean, bunky?

I feel fine. Then again, I'm not this guy...

 Respectability Politics Won’t Save Us: On the Death of Jonathan Ferrell
You can do everything “right” in America, but if you’re black, racism will always pose a threat to your life.

 When they went on the air this weekend, CNN anchor Don Lemon and comedy legend Bill Cosby, known not only for their day jobs but also for their unrelenting critiques of black culture, may not have been aware of the killing of Jonathan Ferrell. The 24 year-old former football player at Florida A&M University was shot and killed by Officer Randall Kerrick of the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police in Charlotte, North Carolina, this past Saturday. Ferrell had been a car crash and then ran to the nearest house to find help. The woman inside answered the door, believing it to be her husband on the other side. When she realized it wasn’t, she immediately closed the door, hit her panic alarm and callled 911. She reported a man attempting to break into her home. When the police arrived, Ferrell approached them, presumably still trying to get help, at which point one of the officers fired his stun gun, which was “unsuccessful.” That’s when Kerrick fired his weapon, hitting Ferrell multiple times, and killed him.

Having a stranger knock on your door in the early morning hours is surely frightening. And Ferrell did fit the description of a man reported to the police as attempting a burglary. But did it ever cross the mind of anybody involved that he might not have been a burglar—that he might have been an innocent bystander, needing some help?

The tragic aspect of this is, as a young black man in America, Ferrell probably knew in that moment he couldn’t expect anyone to help him. He was likely very aware that knocking on a stranger’s door might backfire. But he took the risk anyway because he needed help. For that, he was killed.
...

http://www.thenation.com/article/respectability-politics-wont-save-us-death-jonathan-ferrell/


All Lives Matter, whether you think so or not.

[TipTok]

16. I was speaking to the law portion of your bit...

It seems rather dismissive to ignore the many black legislators who have helped create our laws.

[jtuck004]

23. VS the millions that are in our prisons. Interesting.By concentrating on that smaller segment, white

folks can pat themselves on the back with how they have a system that works.

Seems like you were speaking to deflection, more than dismissal. Certainly not support. Ymmv.

cya

[Democat]

20. "privelege speaks"

Who's got privilege in this society that's beating 60 year old women for not having the right religion?

[Humanist_Activist]

21. Muslim men, mostly. n/t

[jtuck004]

24. The real estate swindle and his minions? n/t

[killbotfactory]

11. An informative documentary about Indonesia is "The Act Of Killing"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

Many people just see the Islam part, and consider it uniquely evil, while ignoring any political context surrounding it's rise.

[byronius]

17. Awesome link, great trailer. Thanks.

[byronius]

18. I grew up in Saudi Arabia.

So I'm utterly familiar with the brutal, barbaric depths to which human beings can sink.

For me, violence and religion are kinda the same thing. I know that's not necessarily always the case, but events in my life have led me to believe that men of god are often animals wrapped in holy garments.

But I'm insulting animals, aren't I.

[The Green Manalishi]

19. Ah, the 'Religon of Peace'

Not that Christianity is any better.

[merrily]

26. The US allowed incorporation by reference of all Sharia law into the Iraqi Constitution.

Not just rules or statutes, but the Constitution. Nothing specific, either. No point by point. Just all of sharia law (as defined when? By whom? Who knows?)

[dembotoz]

28. we prefer lethal injections cause we are so fricken christian

[Taitertots]

35. Who got executed for selling alcohol?

We prefer a fair judicial system that protects minority religious group's rights.

[dembotoz]

55. hardly keep an eye on the right to lie folks for example

[mdbl]

32. We only lethal inject evil people who like to behead others

If you cane someone, you just get thrown in jail.

[Odin2005]

39. You can thank the Salafist madrassas funded by the Saudis for this crap.

Indonesian Muslims used to be extremely tolerant and non-literalist in how they followed Islam.

[keithbvadu2]

41. Christians Jailed for Refusing to Convert to Catholicism ...

Christians Jailed for Refusing to Convert to Catholicism ...


https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=mexico+not+convert+to+catholic

[ForgoTheConsequence]

48. Charisma News seems like a legit source.

Try again.

[keithbvadu2]

49. If you are claiming it is not true,

show it to be false.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

51. Prove that unicorns don't exist and chickens don't lay jelly bean eggs.

Are you twelve? The burden of proof is on you and a few evangelical websites aren't going to cut it. Again, nice try.

[keithbvadu2]

52. WOW!

Oh, well!

[Democat]

53. Typical DU response to this type of violence and oppression

Try to justify it.

[keithbvadu2]

54. You sure put a reverse twist on that one.

[MariaThinks]

71. they enable it and i believe are guilty of perpetuating the evil crimes

they take joy in focusing on spelling and syntax instead of talking about the horrors of the crime.

[valerief]

42. Fuckin' bullshit religion. nt

[SunSeeker]

43. This barbarism must stop. Hopefully global outrage will deter them from repeating this. nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

69. Sick

[MatthewStLouis]

70. Sick.

Great example of why everyone should be mindful to keep religion out of government.