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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:06 PM Apr 2016

Board recommends parole for Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten

Source: LA Times

A California review board recommended parole Thursday for former Charles Manson family member Leslie Van Houten, who was convicted of murder in the 1969 killings of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.

The decision was issued following a hearing earlier in the day at the California Institution for Women in Chino. Van Houten had previously been denied parole 19 times since she was convicted of killing the wealthy grocer Leno LaBianca and his second wife at their Los Feliz home.

After the ruling is reviewed by the parole board's legal team, it will be forwarded to Gov. Jerry Brown, who could decide to block Van Houten’s release.

The youngest of Manson’s followers, Van Houten, 66, has been considered the least blameworthy member of the group, portrayed by supporters as a misguided teen under the influence of LSD on the night of the killings.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-houten-seeks-parole-for-1969-slaying-20160413-story.html

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Board recommends parole for Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2016 OP
Speaking of parole, do you know how many black people cant vote because they have Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
Time to let her go. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2016 #2
unless she's tortured to death greymouse Apr 2016 #4
Interesting... does this apply to everyone, Quantess Apr 2016 #5
ahh the old eye for an eye thing dembotoz Apr 2016 #7
confusion as to the relevance of what happens to her in regards to the state of the victim LanternWaste Apr 2016 #8
She's paid with 45 years behind bars. She wasn't sentenced to death. maxsolomon Apr 2016 #9
Actually, she was sentenced to death. Xithras Apr 2016 #12
interesting. maxsolomon Apr 2016 #13
I do not think she can ever really pay in full for that crime Skittles Apr 2016 #16
Prosecutor Bugliosi once wrote she had the best chance for parole. edbermac Apr 2016 #3
I don't know... Jnclr89 Apr 2016 #6
So, 50 years then? maxsolomon Apr 2016 #10
Convicted of multiple counts of premeditated homicide, branford Apr 2016 #15
And all of us would agree with respect to our own families. But that's why we have law and not DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #19
Van Houten should be paroled. So should Robert Beausoleil alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #11
She needs to be punished bluestateguy Apr 2016 #14
She has done very hard time farleftlib Apr 2016 #17
I agree. BigDemVoter Apr 2016 #18
About time. She's paid for her crime and is not a threat to society n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #20
people can never really pay in full for these kind of crimes Skittles Apr 2016 #21

greymouse

(872 posts)
4. unless she's tortured to death
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:42 AM
Apr 2016

she has not paid for her crime. And even then, it does not give her innocent victims their lives back.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
5. Interesting... does this apply to everyone,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:51 AM
Apr 2016

even those who oversaw torturing people to death, world leaders such as (George W Bush, Dick Cheney) since they haven't been convicted yet?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. confusion as to the relevance of what happens to her in regards to the state of the victim
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

"And even then, it does not give her innocent victims their lives back..."

Nor does keeping her incarcerated. Not does application of the death penalty. Hence, you may understand my confusion as to the relevance of what happens to her in direct regards to the immutable state of the victims.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
9. She's paid with 45 years behind bars. She wasn't sentenced to death.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
‘T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
12. Actually, she was sentenced to death.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

She was sentenced to death in 1971. In 1972, the California Supreme Court ruled that the states death penalty laws were unconstitutional, and commuted the sentences for everyone on death row (at that time) to life in prison. When California updated its laws and reinstated the death penalty later, it could not legally reimpose the death penalty on the previously commuted prisoners...which is the only reason that Van Houten is still alive today. If not for that lucky legal break, she'd have been executed decades ago.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
13. interesting.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder what she'd prefer - death decades ago, or being turned down for parole again and again until she dies from natural causes - which could be 20 years from now.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
16. I do not think she can ever really pay in full for that crime
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

but I agree that of all the people involved, she is the only one I think should be paroled

edbermac

(15,941 posts)
3. Prosecutor Bugliosi once wrote she had the best chance for parole.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel are probably there for life.

 

Jnclr89

(128 posts)
6. I don't know...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

If she was involved with the murder of one of my family members, I'm not sure I'd be to happy to see her walking free, ever. I love my family.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
15. Convicted of multiple counts of premeditated homicide,
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:35 PM
Apr 2016

and actually sentenced to death by a jury.

In her case, her life sentence was a legal technicality and undeserved mercy, and she should die in prison.

There are some people today serving unduly harsh and unearned prison sentences, often minors and concerning relatively minor crimes. Leslie Van Houten is not one of those people.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
19. And all of us would agree with respect to our own families. But that's why we have law and not
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

vigilante justice. If someone hurt my kids, it would be hard not to go outside the law to do something about it. But cooler heads need to make the actual decisions.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
11. Van Houten should be paroled. So should Robert Beausoleil
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

Had these been identical offenses not connected to the name Manson, they would have been paroled 20 years ago.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
17. She has done very hard time
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

She is no threat to society and thus her incarceration serves no purpose. She has paid a high price for her actions. Let her go.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
18. I agree.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think she can ever fully "pay" for her crime, but as you said, keeping her in prison serves no purpose, and she certainly isn't any threat to society at this point. Nearly a half century in prison isn't a small price to pay. In a sense, she HAS paid with her life.

I am not excusing her or her actions. I just don't see what's gained from trying to make a point.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
21. people can never really pay in full for these kind of crimes
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 02:41 AM
Apr 2016

but I agree she has long been no threat to society

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