Russians 'Barrel Roll' Over Another U.S. Air Force Plane

[Purveyor]

Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)A Russian SU-27 conducted a "barrel roll" Friday over the top of a U.S. Air Force RC-135 which was flying a reconnaissance mission in international airspace above the Baltic Sea, the Defense Department said.

The Russian SU-27 approached alongside within 25 feet of the U.S. aircraft and then flew inverted over the top of the plane to the other side, Lt. Col. Michelle L. Baldanza, a U.S. Army spokesperson, said in a statement.

"The SU-27 intercepted the U.S. aircraft flying a routine route at high rate of speed from the side then proceeded to perform an aggressive maneuver that posed a threat to the safety of the U.S. aircrew in the RC-135," Baldanza said.

The U.S. considers this a very unsafe aerial maneuver and is expected to voice its concerns to the Russians, a U.S. defense official told CNN.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/russians-barrel-roll-air-force-plane/index.html

[doc03]

1. Seems to me Putin has sensed he can push Obama around with no consequences n/t

[Schema Thing]

2. lol. please. Republican much?

[doc03]

3. Putin has been pushing the limits a lot the last year or so and all

we do is voice our concern.

[Schema Thing]

8. how would you know what we do?

We've hit Putin pretty hard in the past several years. Likely why he's acting out.

[doc03]

9. We have?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. Financial sanctions?

Ever heard of them?

And then there is the promise that we would never expand NATO, especially to the baltics or Ukraine.

now, Lithuania is a NATO base. Ukes have a quagmire in their land. The Middle East is all fucked up, mainly because WE fucked it up. Especially based on Hillary's push for putsch. Not quite honest of us, was it?

Russia actually approached us during the early months of Obama's first term, wanting to discuss Chechnya, some of the 'Stans, and radical Muslims. Unfortunately, we had this neocon, PNAC Reich wing fucked up SexState who fucked things up, and her name was NOT Condi Rice. Rodham, something, if I recall.

[doc03]

24. So you fall into the Trump camp with we can work with Putin I guess. Putin moved

into Syria and bombed the hell out of Assad's opposition and we did nothing. We drew a line in the sand over chemical weapons and did nothing. He bombed the hell out of Ukraine and we did nothing. Doesn't seem like a surprise that he is buzzing our ships now.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

25. The blinders you sport are amazing. Really.

She can do no wrong, and it is always their fault.

The USA has caused more trouble and Revolution in this world than any other country. And our people are told, "We are fighting communism. We are fighting for their freedom. We are protecting them from their enemies."

So, we align ourselves with the Saudis. We destroy the Iranian democracy and replace it with a toad like the Shah. We attack Chile, Argentian, and others for seeking real democracy, one that does not revolve around our global gamesmanship. We totally screw Greece, we fuck over a great deal of Africa, and we sell out those who were our allies or at least friendly to us. Say, like Saddam and Ghaddafi.

[Ghost Dog]

36. What.ChairmanAgnostic said. Also, you have air inferiority

where it counts.

Sorry.

[Duckhunter935]

10. And just how is that, lol

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Nonsense. Putin's economy is under severe stress because of Obama/Kerry led sanctions.

Consequences.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

18. Bingo.

[Beartracks]

26. Re-read the article. Didn't see where it said...

... that Putin was flying the plane.




Sounds like some hot shot pilot was risking disciplinary action just to buzz an American plane. Didn't you ever see Top Gun?

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[TrollBuster9090]

29. Or so Charles Krauthammer says on Fox News every day.

Sad to see so many people are still buying into it.

Charles "Sauerkraut" Krauthammer (not exactly as shown)

[NV Whino]

4. Sooner or later somebody is going to get an itchy trigger finger.

[doc03]

5. They are playing with fire that is for sure n/t

[NWCorona]

11. Turkey anyone?

But yeah

[homegirl]

6. Top Gun

Revisited.

[jakeXT]

52. Yep, but wasn't there also one in Hot Shots?

[HubertHeaver]

7. Years ago we had F4's run up on Soviet Backfire Bombers in international airspace.

Scared the crap out of the Ruskies.

Fighter jocks have a different sanity than the rest of us.

[Ghost Dog]

37. No worries. Now you have F35s. n/t

[CentralMass]

51. Aka, the "Boondoggle"

[yurbud]

65. why bring up history and ruin a perfectly good propaganda?

[HubertHeaver]

70. That's the problem with us old farts. We (still) have memory--and many of us participated in the

international game-playing.

[yurbud]

74. how did anyone old enough to remember Cold War think Iraq was a threat to us?

even if they had a handful of nukes and launched one at us or got a terrorist to set one off here comma that good old Triad would take care of their whole country before the dust settled.

Even the Soviet Union could have wiped out the whole United States and two out of the three legs of the Triad and we could have wiped their whole country off the map and that was enough to stay their hand.

So why would some medium small country tried to Nuke us when the only result would be the extinction and annihilation of their home country for the sake of taking out one or even a handful of our cities?

[HubertHeaver]

75. I thought at the time the only reason to attack Iraq was to knock the Silverado Saving and Loan

scandal out of the news allowing Neil Bush to avoid jailtime.

Or, were you talking about BushWar II?

[yurbud]

66. don't you realize the only acceptable response is to get angry or afraid?

Providing background or context would just ruin that

[Ilsa]

12. Is there such a thing as a targeted

EMP, low level, undetectable, that might shut down the aircraft after it has passed?

[jmowreader]

13. It would shut down your plane too

And the Russians like tube avionics due to their EMP immunity.

[Ilsa]

15. So, no, there is no

Ability to target it, and their instrumentation is probably protected anyway.

All it takes is one screw-up.

[Major Nikon]

32. No

While there are devices that are used to test the susceptibility of various military hardware to EMP, the idea of weaponizing that technology in a portable, directional, and ranged weapon is the stuff of science fiction and conspiracy theorists.

[Ilsa]

35. And that's all I wanted to know... thanks. nt.

[warrprayer]

55. which means

we already have it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Putin is playing a stupid game. . . nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

19. We both have been.

When you think about it, the best Geo-political president we have had, one who got incredible results with the USSR and China, was a guy named Nixon. Except, he would be too liberal for today's GOP. In fact, he would be too liberal for today's DNC. Can you imagine HRC pushing Clean AIr, Clean Water, the EPA, social security funding, VA reform, or other (ahem) liberal ideas?

Nixon even pushed for universal health care, except that Ted Kennedy sabotaged that idea.

[olddad56]

20. both the US and the former USSR played theses games for decades.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. Very true. BUT

We used to have experienced players involved. After W and Cheney's destruction of so much of that experienced mental infrastructure, we cannot play at the same level anymore.

The Dept. Of State once had a really nifty, small, but extremely smart group of Intel folks. They even produced their own predictions and reports, far more accurately than the NSA or CIA. Their resources were limited, and they did not cover every issue, but when they did, they were significantly accurate. They said there were no WMD in Iraq. Cheney then shut them down. Closed their shop. Fired them. How dare they disagree with the result he wanted.

I suspect Hillary will be another Cheney, with one difference. She WILL also be the president in name, not just in impact.

[trof]

73. Yep, I was a player.

Back in the 60s, in an F-84, I buzzed a Russian 'trawler' off the coast of Puerto Rico for an hour or so.

[olddad56]

23. what did your man Nixon do when North Korea shot down a Navy recon plane ...

over international waters and killed 31 US servicemen on April 15th (16th where it happened) 1969? He did nothing. A lot of saber rattling, and after a week or so, Nixon proclaimed that the US would resume the recon flights.

Only rather that fly them 40 miles off the coast of North Korea, as before this happened, we flew them about 200 miles off the North Korean coast with so many US fighter, and SAR aircraft in the air that we couldn't even do our job.

I was there, I flew on those bogus missions. Maybe, had we retaliated then, we wouldn't be worrying about North Korea today. The US wouldn't have even had to manufacture the cause to go to war like the Bush Admin did in Iraq.

Nixon was a loser.

[Ghost Dog]

38. Excellent points well stated.

Since, with Carter a brief exception, US presidents appear to, basically, obey orders.

[TrollBuster9090]

41. Nixon also...

Moved the dollar off the gold standard to fiat currency, and introduced the alternative minimum tax (surtax on the wealthy). Something most Democrats today would be afraid to suggest.

Some people say that Nixon was the 'last liberal' President. But, in fact, he wasn't a liberal. He was still a conservative. It's just that the Overton Window has been shoved so far to the right over the last 30 years that he now appears to be liberal. *shrug*

[ChairmanAgnostic]

48. Correct.

I am no Nixon fan, but he would be a liberal compared to Hillary or any of the GOPers running today.

[joshcryer]

46. Assuming he even has control.

[Sunlei]

22. This is the kind of "stupidity" Obama was taking about.

[thereismore]

27. Russians have good aircraft and they have seen Top Gun. nt

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

33. Or as they call it, "Top Gunski" n/t

[Gore1FL]

34. That had the hit from the artist, East Berlin, "Take my family away." nt

[romanic]

28. What do they think this is, Star Fox?

[sakabatou]

47. How long until one of their pilots pulls a Slippy or Star Wolf?

[TrollBuster9090]

30. And we should give a shit...why?

Fortunately for us, FOR ONCE we do not have a rube in the White House. If Putin is hoping to goad the United States into doing something stupid, he might have to wait for a different President.

(Personally, I'm thinking he's still feeling humiliated after having one of his aircraft shot down by Turkey, and then having to withdraw from Syria with his tail between his legs. Better stir up some shit elsewhere, so he can play tough guy for the rubes at home...)

[Ghost Dog]

39. Let me guess. MSM newshead?

Knowledge is for losers?

[TrollBuster9090]

42. MSM newshead?

Obviously not, given that jets playing tag with one another are exactly the kinds of shiny objects the MSM/infotainment industry likes to distract people with. If I'm not impressed by them, it's only because I'm less concerned about the colors of the balls the clowns are juggling than I am about the foundations that the circus is built on.

[Ghost Dog]

43. I refer to the fictitious Russian withdrawal you refer to,

with tail an' all between legs.

Not according to any credible source I've so far found.

But, rah rah, home team, if you must overrule rationality.

[TrollBuster9090]

58. Where exactly did I ever rah rah for the home team?

You really are a bit of a pinhead, aren't you? Keep on truckin' Mr. Natural.

[Desert805]

60. There was no Russian anything with "tail between legs" in Syria.

You can't name call your way out of that shit you pulled out of your rear end.

[TrollBuster9090]

61. Please. Using a sockpuppet doesn't increase your credibility.

Surprised you haven't learned that by now.

[Desert805]

62. A grown up would admit their mistake without the drama.

[TrollBuster9090]

63. You've got a point there!

Okay Ghost Dog/ Desert805, if it's really that important for you to see my saying "withdraw" instead of "partial withdrawal and redeployment" as a mistake that you can jump in and correct me on, thus putting me in my MSM newshead place, I'll give it to you. *Pats head* Well done.

Not so for my "tail" comment. Putin was doing his usual stupid, petulant brinksmanship with NATO by repeatedly violating Turkish airspace, all for domestic political consumption. (It's a standard way to increase your footprint on the battlefield by convincing your competitors that you're nuts. Works in school yards, works just as well in war.) Turkey unexpectedly called Russia's bluff by shooting down their Su24, and FSA Turkmen added insult to injury by shooting down their rescue helicopter. Putin did virtually nothing to retaliate, and later removed most of his jets from the area (Latakia). That's as close to literally having a tail between his legs as it's possible to get. So, I'm not surprised he's trying to save face by stirring up shit elsewhere.

[Gore1FL]

50. This has more to do with the rubes in the pilot seats of either aircraft than the president. nt

[NuclearDem]

53. There's a bit of a history with fighters pulling dangerous maneuvers around recon aircraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

[TrollBuster9090]

57. Yes, I remember that very well.

It was before they re-wrote George W. Bush's character to change him from 'Mr. Compassionate Conservative' to 'Mr. Decisive.' It ended with Powell's staff discovering that 'regrets' doesn't mean exactly the same thing in Mandarin as it does in English. Good for him.

[elleng]

31. Too much vodka.

[Ghost Dog]

40. Just another warning,

I reckon. So, provoke more? Why?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

44. Putin is mad because we put F-22s into Estonia

...which was a response to the close flyover of the destroyer.

By the way, the Baltic flight is a surveillance mission. Both sides know it. No one is fooled here.

The trick is not to actually do any harm, and not to overreact.

[Abouttime]

49. 2 F22s

Are a token show of force. Maybe we should bring our planes back home and save the money. What's to learn from having planes over the Baltic anyway? We have satellites we don't need planes.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

56. Electronic intelligence, possibly

Sub hunting?

[TrollBuster9090]

64. Yes, I think that's always been their story, anyway.

That the AWACS radar planes are the only things that can keep track of big metal things moving around, like ships, subs, naval fleets etc. Satellites can 'see' things, but they have to know where to look first. Radar is better for keeping track of large areas. *shrug*

[hack89]

68. Electronic eavesdropping

listening to communications and monitoring radar sites.

[joshcryer]

45. Putin lacks command and control.

One of these hot shots is going to make a mistake and cause an international incident. Already happened in Turkey.

[GummyBearz]

54. Russian's are taking the barrel roll meme to extreme levels now

It wasn't all that funny back in 2005 anyway

[Doctor_J]

59. Let's turn and burn, goose

[yurbud]

67. Russia's military budget $70-90 billion. US about $600 billion

Our military budget is 7 - 9 times that of Russia.

Putin may be a lot of things but he is not stupid or suicidal.

He cannot win a war against us. The closest he could get is a draw if we both need each other which is not an outcome I think anyone he wants but the neocons seem willing to risk by trying to break up Russia and destroy even their Regional influence.

[warrprayer]

72. wait for it

at 0:51

[warrprayer]

71. ...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

76. I think Drumpf is on record that a nuclear war ending all life on the planet is likely if they do

this again