Greenpeace puts secret TTIP-documents online (with link)

[DetlefK]

Source: Süddeutsche Zeitung

* Geheime TTIP-Papiere zeigen: Der Druck der US-Regierung auf die EU ist stärker und weiter reichend als bislang bekannt.
* Washington droht damit, Exporterleichterungen für Europas Autoindustrie zu blockieren, um im Gegenzug zu erreichen, dass die EU mehr US-Agrarprodukte abnimmt.
* Gleichzeitig attackieren die Amerikaner das grundlegende Vorsorgeprinzip beim europäischen Verbraucherschutz.

Read more: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/-geheime-ttip-papiere-enthuellt-1.2975097

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http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/-geheime-ttip-papiere-enthuellt-1.2975097
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/diskussion-ueber-freihandelsabkommen-greenpeace-veroeffentlicht-ttip-papiere-im-netz/13528872.html
(articles in german)

Monday morning (european time), Greenpeace Netherlands leaked 240 pages of secret TTIP-documents to the german newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung (of "Panama Papers"-fame) and the german publicly-owned TV-channels NDR and WDR.

The documents are also available online here:
http://www.ttip-leaks.org/

- The US is putting massive pressure on the EU by threatening to make it harder to export their cars to the US.

- The US wants the EU to buy more agrarian products from the US.

- The US wants the EU to accept weaker quality-standards for GMO-plants and meat from hormonally treated animals. The EU outlaws such foodstuff in a precautious way until they are proven safe. The US wants that foodstuff be sold freely until they are proven harmful.

- The US insist on arbitration-courts. They are willing to make them more transparent, but they won't allow that such cases be settled in actual legal courts.

[MrMickeysMom]

1. And, by "the US is putting massive pressure on the EU", we really mean...

The CORPORATIONS, because that is what this horrible trade agreement is... JUST like all the other ones that the ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATES HAVE PUSHED UNDER THE RUG.

You can run away and THINK you can hide behind your corporate masters, but the people will always smoke you out.

[Baobab]

43. Many people in the EU think everybody in the US is either fighting or getting rich off this stuff.

Seriously, they don't realize that most Americans don't know that practically no Americans even know these three horrible deals exist.

Since its our business to know about them they assume we do. Much more than you would think.

[AxionExcel]

2. Wow - shoving the Corporate patented GMO crap down the world's unwilling throats

The freaking Corporate Borg, Inc. and its sold-out government toadies are totally screwing over, on a global scale, the basic concept of democratic choice, and democratic will. You can argue from now till next millennium about whether GMOs are good, bad or indifferent. But you absolutely cannot argue that Corporations should be able to override our individual and collective choice about the food we feed to ourselves and our families. In that sense alone, TTIP is decidedly EVIL.

[jwirr]

10. What hasn't already killed you is good for you - the new

scientific principle.

Keep fighting EU - we the people of the USA do not want this stuff either.

The court thing is the worst part - it takes all control from the nation and puts it in the hands of the corporations. Even a Hillary supporter should be able to see the danger in these trade agreements. They are not about trade - they are about power and control.

[ronnie624]

16. It is the entrenchment of the economic status quo

at the worst possible time in our history; right at the very moment when a logical and just distribution of the earth's resources becomes critical to the survival of our civilization.

[jwirr]

17. Exactly - this is why we cannot afford Hillary and co. nor

can we afford Trump.

[Baobab]

41. Paper on Endocrine Disruptors Shows HUGE cost to society in EU >150 Billion Euros/year for health pr

Must read this paper! The cost is astronomical and they cause dozens of illnesses including numerous cancers, autism, and neurological issues. Also maybe a dozen illnesses related to their tendency to cause morbid obesity in the person exposed and their offspring. Endocrine disruption is because of their use in food containers, non-stick cookware and as flame retardants, and in plastics which accumulate in our bodies and around us. They threaten our very survival if this continues to get worse. the use of EDCs must be stopped.

TTIP is totally the wrong approach, a badly advised attempt to frustrate the increasingly urgent need to change this suicidal path we are on.

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/10.1210/jc.2014-4324


Also, TTIP wants to increase fractking and export it which will paradoxically make naturelle ga5 less affordable for Americans to the point of making many older buildings much more expensive to heat.

That could have a major negative impact on affordable housing, but people have no alternative housing in cities so again it would be a major disaster for the country to allow it.

[jwirr]

42. Most of these if not all of these trade bills ignore the needs

of the people and the workers. This is ALL about corporations and getting it for them.

[Enthusiast]

35. Don't hold your breath while Hillary supporters recognize the danger of free trade agreements.

We already lost the right to know where our meat comes from due to NAFTA.

Yet the other day someone on DU argued how NAFTA was a net plus.

[jwirr]

37. I know it is the center piece for their one world order and

the end of the USA as we know it.

[Enthusiast]

38. The American people would be enraged if they knew about this.

The media is keeping it a secret. Unbelievable!

[jwirr]

39. Yeah, our free press which was meant to inform us and protect

us from this kind of thing is helping to destroy us. The sad thing is just exactly how close we are to being destroyed.

[Enthusiast]

45. When we no longer have a free press our freedom is gone.

I can remember when the US government and press made such a huge fucking deal about the Soviet Union and how they could never be free because they were subjected to the state run propaganda publication Pravda.

I see little difference. Except instead of one misleading publication we have many lying newspapers, magazines, radio stations and TV stations.

US propaganda is far more polished than Soviet propaganda.

[jwirr]

46. We learned from them. I have no idea where this saying

comes from but there is a saying that in victory we become like our enemies. That has stuck in my mind for many years but I think it can be very true.

[Enthusiast]

47. Apparently it is true.

[Scuba]

3. This alone should be enough to kill the TPP ...

The US insist on arbitration-courts. They are willing to make them more transparent, but they won't allow that such cases be settled in actual legal courts.

It's a complete betrayal of the US form of government. Shame on Obama for pushing it. Shame.

[Jackilope]

5. +1 another heartbreak from him.

[lostnfound]

13. I'm sure it was a price of admission to White House

It's not like we were allowed any less corporate choices in 2008. I think Obama is a good man who accepted the rules of the road. It was gonna be him or Hillary then, and he was definitely the better choice. TPTB own the office.

This time is a little different. Sanders is real, and has a long record of standing up for the working class and the poor, and voting against unnecessary wars and against the Patriot Act etc. HRC is going to continue to resurrect the bloody coups and squeeze plays to destroy popular left wing democracy in Latin America. And will give us window dressing to triage the most severely impacted by the fta's that her backers want.

[Betty Karlson]

7. Obama has been palling around with Boehner and co - and it shows!

[AlbertCat]

21. Well, he does admire Ronald Reagan....

Yikes!

[villager]

26. Our incumbent Rockefeller Republican...

nt

[JudyM]

12. Hoping this might hit MSM in a big way, forcing him to respond...

Utterly disappointing sellout to the corps...

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Obama will be monetarily rewarded, for this betrayal.

Don't think he's too worried about feeling any shame.

[Enthusiast]

32. He still seems to remain above criticism. At least on DU.

[Enthusiast]

33. Plus one for truth!

[Odin2005]

44. The modern equivalent of medieval private manorial courts.

[eShirl]

4. what was that saying about a boot stepping on a neck, forever?

anyway, that.

[silverweb]

18. From Orwell's "1984."

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Here it is:
[font color="black" face="Arial"]

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Orwell was prescient, just a bit ahead of his time.

[Scootaloo]

25. I think Aldous Huxley was more accurate

[silverweb]

27. It's been years since I read him.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've read "1984" much more recently. Refresh my memory?

[Scootaloo]

28. A caste-stratified society where everyone's too drugged and distracted to care

It's been a while for me too.

[silverweb]

29. Ah, yes. We do have that.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Now I have to go read the book again. Thanks!

[Enthusiast]

31. Too drugged and distracted to notice that Soylent Green is people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

36. Yup, we create our Epsilons (slave class) n/t

[Helen Borg]

6. Fuck the US!

[Plucketeer]

8. At BEST...

we're corporate pawns.

Pawns UNITE!

[Gregorian]

9. How undemocratic. We sure have gone in the wrong direction. Wasn't there a Tea Party over this.

[dae]

11. Stand strong EU

[Overseas]

14. K&R. Glad to hear it.

[bjo59]

15. Not going to put up with the Europeans banning

GMO (agrarian) and growth hormone (beef), huh? That's bad enough. But the elements that allow corporations to sue governments over anything that impinges on on their profit in any way is the the corker. Good for Green Peace.

[saidsimplesimon]

19. Thank you for the links DetlefK

"Flying a trial balloon" Could this be and intentional leak? A preferred outcome for those negotiating for their masters?

[DetlefK]

34. I think Yes, but the other way round.

1. Every european politician knew that the voters worry of getting a bad deal. If the voters knew what's going, they would say No.
2. The european negotiators were offered a bad deal, but they had no real leeway to push their cause.

But AFTER THE LEAK, all of a sudden the european negotiators can credibly threaten the US with walking away from TTIP because the voters are obviously saying No.

[Hoppy]

20. Well ol' Hoppy says balls to Greenpeace. If they can't speak English,

They should go back to their own country where they came from.

















Yes, Bertha, come down. It's sarcasm.

[Dont call me Shirley]

23. Treason Pact.

[bbgrunt]

24. like lemmings to the mass suicide.....

[Enthusiast]

30. This makes the USA look like a bastion of Fascism.

[Baobab]

40. The US is trying to force EU to dump their Precautionary Principle + accept possible toxics and EDCs

Also, there is an English version of this article

http://international.sueddeutsche.de/post/143690739565/ttippapiere


as well as another one at Guardian.


http://www.ciel.org has been following the war between the US chemical industry and its TTIP and the EU on toxic and endocrine disrupting chemicals. They have a huge amount of info on it at CIEL.org