Judge temporarily blocks removal of Confederate monument

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Judge temporarily blocks removal of Confederate monument

Updated 11:27 am, Monday, May 2, 2016



LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — A judge has temporarily barred the city of Louisville from removing a 70-foot-tall Confederate monument from the University of Louisville campus.

Jefferson Circuit Judge Judith McDonald-Burkman signed a restraining order Monday morning forbidding the city from moving the 121-year-old obelisk honoring Kentuckians who died fighting for the Confederacy in the Civil War.

Mayor Greg Fischer and University President James Ramsey announced Friday that they would remove the monument, marking the latest government to reconsider its display of Confederate symbols following the massacre of nine black churchgoers in South Carolina last summer.

The Sons of Confederate Veterans and Everett Corley, a Republican running for Congress, filed for the restraining order on Monday. The judge scheduled a hearing for Thursday morning.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Judge-temporarily-blocks-removal-of-Confederate-7387719.php

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Sometimes I think racism is the only thing that defines certain folks.

IF they weren't virulent racists, what would they be?

[PatSeg]

2. I think they'd just find something else to hate

I believe "haters" defines them and they are not happy unless they've found a target for their ingrained hatred.

[TipTok]

5. That's simplistic...

Of all the things that drive movements like this, racism might make the top 5.

Barely...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

6. .............LOL

It is only about racism...nothing else

[TipTok]

7. Very simple way of looking at things indeed...

[zazen]

8. why do we have Vietnam memorials when that war was about imperialistic expansion?

And decimating "communism" no matter what the human cost.

Why? We honor the veterans and dead while decrying the cause. They're not all racist, imperialistic, child-murdering monsters. The policies under which they were operating had that effect, but I don't believe the soldiers for the most part shared those values.

I suspect more Vietnamese children were murdered in our little "Conflict" in the 60s and early 70s than children during the Civil War, although of course the slavery the South was defending had led to much violence and suffering over the preceding centuries against Africans of all ages.

So this IS a lot more complicated than just calling these folks "racist." That's one factor of many.

[Judi Lynn]

9. What else would you imagine would drive a movement like this, outside racism, anyway?

Some of us are all ears, believe me.

Very interested in what fine other motivations there would be.

[reACTIONary]

11. Why, heritage, of course....

..... a heritage of racism .

[TipTok]

13. Far too simple an answer for such a complex topic...

[TipTok]

12. Based on my experience with southerners...

A lot of it is falls into the pride of southern culture. Very little of that was based around race in the modern age.

I know that it is difficult for some to see anything beyond the bad stuff but in the same way they only see the good stuff.

Which is something most people do. I can't think of any significant group or movement or whatever that doesn't have some ugly bits that the devoted gloss over.

Another is pushing back at authority. Which is a trait many on the left share.

Some is a feeling that erasing history is something to be avoided and removal of these sorts of things comes off as an attempt to sanitize the past.

Even the war itself was not black and white, pardon the pun, when it came to race. Lots of nasty racial policies in the north. Go look up what Lincoln said about 'the Negro' sometime and you'll realize that his decisions were motivated by politics and economics more than morals.

It's complex and nuanced and emotional but very little of it, in my experience, comes down to only a hatred of 'uppity n#######s'.


YMMV...

[forest444]

3. The good ole girls are often worse than the good ole boys themselves.

Anyone who lived in the Deep South for at least a couple of years can tell you that.

[blackspade]

4. Unfortunately this is an NRHP property, so there is a whole lot of legal baggage....

Involved with its removal.

[Judi Lynn]

10. It could at least serve a purpose if someone put it underwater, as with these statues

in the Cancun Underwater Museum, where fish can hide and coral can grow:

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More images:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1535&bih=700&q=cancun+underwater+museum&oq=cancun+underwater+museum&gs_l=img.3..0l7j0i30l3.996.10097.0.10589.34.16.5.13.13.0.206.1681.5j9j1.15.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..2.27.1566...0i10i24.txd9Vg8iYqg#imgrc=_

[Chan790]

14. It's the city's property on the city's property.

Ultimately, nobody, including the judge, can stop them from removing it if they want it off their property. she can only order them to explore means of preservation. This is likely to allow those that want to keep it to find a new home for it.

Personally, I hope they fail. I also hope the city decides that the best removal method would be to strap a belt of dynamite around it and blow it to Hell.

[Judi Lynn]

15. Hope they will make a video we can all enjoy! n/t