Trump calls for end to federal minimum wage as views shift

[Eugene]

Source: The Guardian

Donald Trump has called for the elimination of the federal minimum wage, as he retreated from primary promises and once again refused to release any tax because of “a link” to an audit.

The presumptive Republican nominee for president repeatedly said he would support a higher minimum wage, a reversal from his position when he had conservative opponents. But he insisted on Sunday that states should decide such wages.

“I like the idea of ‘let the states decide’,” Trump told NBC’s Meet the Press. “But I think people should get more. I think they’re out there. They’re working. It is a very low number.”

Asked “should the federal government set a floor” – a national minimum wage – Trump replied: “No, I’d rather have the states go out and do what they have to do.

“And the states compete with each other, not only other countries, but they compete with each other.”

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/08/federal-minimum-wage-trump

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Alan Yuhas
Sunday 8 May 2016 17.48 BST

[Zynx]

2. ?????? Are you seriously suggesting we should get Trump elected?

With the powers the president has, it would be a disaster.

[skepticscott]

13. So WTF has DU turned into?

Someone not only advocates the election of a Republican president, but a racist psychopath to boot, and the post only barely gets hidden. The three people who voted to leave that should be ashamed of themselves and look for another site to frequent.

[houston16revival]

29. Confusion is what Trump is creating

total confusion

Confusion suits his interests, and the corporate interests

The masses are disorganized during confusion, they can hardly decide
what to do

This is getting very alarming

This power hungry totalitarian could get elected

The Republican Party is folding up like lawn chairs

[harrose]

31. ALL Rethugs are racist psychopaths, not just Trump.

eom

[TomCADem]

3. He Also Changed His Mind About Punishing Women for Abortions!

nt

[Wilms]

4. If it's Trump vs. Clinton we'll have plenty of answers.

At least four for every question the two of them are asked.

[Cal Carpenter]

9. ...

[Ikonoklast]

12. They are both simultaneously For AND Against anything you ask them.

Tweedle-Triangulate and Tweedle-Dumber.

[pnwmom]

40. The contrast between Hillary and Trump couldn't be starker.

The current minimum wage is $7.25.

Hillary is calling for a $12 Federal minimum and will support states efforts to go higher.

Trump is calling for a $0.0 minimum wage.

Grow up and quit your name-calling. The candidates aren't remotely similar.

[morningfog]

53. They didn't say the candidates' positions were similar,

but that each has on record multiple answers for various questions on policy position.

To be fair, most of Hillary's changes were over course of years. Trumpy's change over the course of one interview.

The two are nothing alike policy wise. One similarity that have is that their respective message changes significantly depending on the audience. Hillary's because she is carefully parsing and staking out catious positions to fit the political climate. Trumpy because he is a shit for brains megalomaniac.

[pnwmom]

55. The world has changed over the course of years. But, as you say, Trump's positions

change from minute to minute -- which is part of his personality disorder. He just spouts off, without any filter.

What a contrast this will be in the debates.

[Ikonoklast]

57. Did you mean to reply to what it was I posted, or someone else?

Because your answer has zero to do with what I wrote.

[pnwmom]

58. You implied that they were similar. They are not. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

62. Neither are Progressive.

[pnwmom]

63. Hillary is progressive. She just isn't as far out on the tip of the bell curve as Bernie.

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You think Bernie defines progressive, but he doesn't. There's no one in the Senate who's more to the left than he is, which is why he's been calling himself a Democratic Socialist.

[Ikonoklast]

65. And that is an indictment of every Democrat in that chamber.

Sanders is what Democrats *used* to be, now we are saddled with moderate Republicans running for office.

[pnwmom]

66. No, the Dems used to be a under a big umbrella, with a wide range of views. nt

[elleng]

14. Yup

[Kingofalldems]

16. I see. Trump trashes workers and somehow Hillary is involved.

Too much man.

[sufrommich]

17. You know those moronic talking heads who play that

"both sides are the same" crap whenever the GOP says something ridiculous? Well,it's just as moronic seeing it here.

[Kingofalldems]

18. It's pretty disgusting actually. You are so right.

[Wilms]

21. "You see"?

Actually, you haven't.

[Kingofalldems]

22. I saw what you posted.

You somehow turned attack on workers by filthy republican Trump into an attack on Hillary.

And zilch about Trump.

[Wilms]

24. You are that blind? No way.

Trump, who I referred to in my reply (despite your Denial), is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. There are reams worth of stories about Hillary doing the same.

I guess no one told you about that.

[Kingofalldems]

25. So WTF did Hillary Clinton have to do with it?

Just a cheap shot on your part.

[Wilms]

26. Are you being purposely dense?

Are you not aware of the flip-flopping charges made against her? Never mind your editorializing. You can answer the question. Are you not aware of the flip-flopping charges made against her?

[Kingofalldems]

27. Flip flopping charges have zilch to do with the minimum wage.

Here you go:

Trump---wants to eliminate the minimum wage.

Hillary--wants to raise the minimum wage.

[Wilms]

28. Hillary talks out of BOTH sides of her mouth.

Her reputation for that is WELL established. Sorry that your candidate is one of the most, if not THE most, unpopular person to seek the office.

[Kingofalldems]

30. Ad hominem attack. Had nothing to do with this thread.

Take it to GDP.

[Wilms]

33. There's a problem with your charge.

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem

1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

There's the rub. Clinton doesn't maintain positions.

[Kingofalldems]

34. Now it's just childish.

Hillary will be the nominee. Deal with it.

If you hate her that much you won't like it here at all.

[Wilms]

35. Childish?

How so, King?

I would think it mature to ask a serious question and have it answered.

Are you not aware of the flip-flopping charges made against her?

[Kingofalldems]

36. Ah yeah and about 98% of other politicians.

People who do not change are hard line conservatives for the most part.

This is what you are so upset about?

[Wilms]

38. I didn't say she changed her positions.

I said she talks out of both sides of her mouth. There's a difference.

[Kingofalldems]

39. Again so do a large percentage of other politicians.

Yes I concede Bernie hasn't, at least as far as I know.

[Wilms]

42. He has had it pretty easy.

The source of his principles and his desire to stick to them means he can focus on how best to serve. I'm sure he's made mistakes. But when you're oriented as is he, the right thing to do is fairly obvious.

[pnwmom]

41. Hillary has been absolutely consistent on raising the minimum wage.

She wants a Federal floor of $12, which is a substantial increase over the current $7.25. And she will support state or local efforts to raise it higher, such as NY's rise to $15.

[Wilms]

44. Clinton Remained Silent As Wal-Mart Fought Unions

In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/clinton-remained-silent-wal-mart-fought-unions/story?id=4218509

[pnwmom]

46. 1986-1992. Twenty-four to thirty years ago, in a very different world. Get real. n/t

[Wilms]

47. What do you think were Sanders' position back then?

And why would he have had them back then (which also happen to be the one's he still has)?

[pnwmom]

48. I think Sanders' positions 30 years ago are not at all relevant to this discussion. He's out. n/t

[Wilms]

49. I'm among many who think they are.

[Wilms]

61. And here's what she did in a different world called Haiti.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511927123

[Skittles]

56. it's the hatred-for-Hillary-hysteria

they are becoming unhinged now

[Wilms]

60. Hysterical...especially if you're Haitian.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511927123

[pampango]

32. Got to get a GD-P style base in at Hillary or Bernie in every LBN thread.

Democrat-bashing - it's not just for GD-P anymore.

[Kingofalldems]

45. When will it end? I have never seen it this bad.

[mcar]

43. She's responsible for everything

She's eeeevil.

[left-of-center2012]

5. Are his supporters willing to work for less money?

But then, I doubt thy really listen to what he says.

[Ash_F]

6. People should get more but eliminate the floor?

What a clown.

[Gothmog]

7. Trump thinks that wages are too high in the US

[safeinOhio]

8. Low wages are for the little people

little people need to vote for what's in their best interest.

[vkkv]

10. Sounds awful.. nt

[jtuck004]

11. "And the states compete with each other" So does he want to get rid of the name "United" States too?

He wants the country dead. The better to profit from.

Those left in the future will make little decals that go in the back of their electric car, has a person peeing on the real estate swindler's name. Like they do on a Ford today.

[Sunlei]

15. Congress sets the minimum wage, not the President. Romney said same thing, $7.25 hour is to much.

Republicans in Congress & Trump think the American people aren't even 'worth' $7.25 an hour.

Republicans would rather pay Mexican border workers $7 a DAY.

Or hire out "exempt from minimum Federal wage" prison workers for 20 cents an hour & a day knocked off their 40 year sentence for every 12 hour day.

[Hugin]

19. Please proceed, Sumptive Nominee.

[Matthew28]

20. Let them die!

That is what the republicans want! Trumps plan to get apple to move back to America is one that allows them to pay pennies on the dollar for slave work in our own country as they do in china.

[Vinca]

23. What a total snow job on the rubes.

[Matthew28]

37. The people the last 2 elections have voted by 55-60% to increase the minimum wage

So this is trump pissing off the majority again. The guys a loon.

[CountAllVotes]

50. Twenty bucks an hour

Sounds like a good deal eh tRump?

[Blasphemer]

51. I thought he was trying to win over Sanders supporters?

There's no way this man wants to President. Even if the Clinton conspiracy theory isn't true, he's clearing taking a piss at the GOP.

[CountAllVotes]

52. This man has an agenda

The problem is that many have yet to figure out exactly it is, myself included.

#FeelTheBern 2016! Settle for nothing less >> contested convention !!

[sofa king]

67. I think it's a pretty simple agenda.

Trump is a textbook narcissist. Most of the time he has an overblown self-importance and requires near-worship from those around him.

Trump craves constant and ever-increasing attention, and it can be negative attention so long as the negative attention comes from people he judges to be his inferiors (women, minorities, the poor).

Trump is a slightly smarter version of George W. Bush, but un-indoctrinated in the rigid confines of actual conservatism. That makes him much more like Benito Mussolini than W.

His overconfidence means that his political opinions are uninformed, and he's not willing to go and learn anything knew. He is casting about to find what resonates with privileged white men.

His vulnerabilities are obvious. He's a fool on multiple levels, uninformed, unwilling to inform himself, easily misled by his inner circle of sycophants (who are actually more capable and plotting than he is), possessing of incredibly fragile self-esteem.

When his self-esteem is crushed, he temporarily sees the world as it is, begins to feel empathy for those he has harmed, sees himself as the fraud he is, and so on. He becomes a human for a few minutes or days. Then he will begin to believe his own crap again and quickly move back to being an attention-vampire.

Trump's agenda is to generate more and more attention and approval, and that's it.

It doesn't matter how he does it, or even what the attention is, so long as certain people--like Paul Ryan--approve of him. Ryan is a very similar person but politically he is much better informed and more sophisticated. Trump's object now is to get Ryan working for him. Instead, Ryan is rolling away, which will force ever more conservative proclamations from Trump. This is how Karl Rove and Dick Cheney manipulated W; it's how Guderian manipulated Hitler.

Looking a little farther down the road, post-election Donald Trump is likely ruined for life. He will never again receive the attention and adulation he won on the election trail. He will be forever seeking a way to again become so prominent in the public eye, but soon, his depression will overtake him and he will withdraw, like Bush, into a gated whites-only community somewhere.

Oh, he may come back again, but by then the Republican Party will have found a way to keep him out, so he's basically ruining himself by running for President.

[CountAllVotes]

68. Wow, that is some statement!

I cannot say that I disagree with any of it.

You must have been a psychology major in college dare I suggest?

Thanks for taking the time to respond so succinctly!

[sofa king]

69. Thank you.

Not a psychology major. I am a researcher and a person who has found his life, professional and private, constantly disrupted by narcissists, sociopaths, borderlines and histrionics, the "Cluster B" people who make all of our lives more difficult whether we know it or not.

The more I researched the more I found these sorts of people playing key roles in history and in modern politics. Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, Caesar, Alexander, Bush, Cheney, Palin, Ryan, Trump, Floyd Mayweather, Kanye West, Ginger Baker: they are all versions of the same three people (borderlines, the fourth major personality disorder described in DSM-V Cluster B, are too abrasive to succeed in public life).

The thing they all have in common is lack of empathy for most other people, most or all of the time. They don't care about other people and they prey upon those who do. Until societies learn to recognize and neutralize the toxic effects of the Cluster Bees, humanity is doomed to eventual destruction. They are the forces behind poverty, inequality, climate change, and perpetual warfare.

[CountAllVotes]

70. +1,000 !!!

& its great to have a brain on board!

[lordsummerisle]

54. I f*cking can't believe this

one of the leading candidates for president is advocating for no federal minimum wage.
Wake me up when it's over...

[marble falls]

59. He needs to remember how well not releasing tax records worked out for Mitt. On second thought,...

I hope he continue to resist while Bernie or Hillary hammer the snot out of him all through the general election.

[Corey_Baker08]

64. This Would Hurt The American Workers Especially With Republican Governor's...

Besides States Can Already Set Their Own Minimum Wage As Long As It Is Not Lower Than The Federal Minimum Wage..

[The Second Stone]

71. Trump is trying to sabotage his own campaign

by going all over the place like this. He's apparently realizing he has better things to do in his seventies than take on the world's most demanding job.