Cops Kill Unarmed Woman in Brooklyn

[jade3000]

Source: Dominion of New York

Police officers shot and killed an unarmed woman driving a stolen car in the East Flatbush section of Brooklyn last night, sparking tension in the neighborhood, the Village Voice is reporting.

Their side of the story is that they shot the 23-year-old woman after she tried to drive backwards as two officers were entering the vehicle. The car she was driving had been reported stolen in a June 5 carjacking. We’ll provide more details as this story unfolds.

A graphic photo of the scene is circulating on Facebook.

Read more: http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/2012/06/15/cops-kill-unarmed-woman-in-brooklyn-last-night/

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The tragic count of these shootings keeps increasing.

[OKNancy]

1. This article is written by an editorial staff

It doesn't seem too biased, but here is a NYTimes article
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/nyregion/woman-shot-by-police-in-brooklyn-after-car-crash.html?ref=nyregion

[wingzeroday]

14. from

The other article it is not clear if the discharge of the sidearm was intentional or not.

Just going on what was said.

[RevStPatrick]

2. As unfortunate as this incident is...

...I don't see this as a clear cut case of "bad cops kill innocent person."
There are certainly plenty of those cases, but this isn't one of them.


http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/nypd_officers_s.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2Frunninscared+%28Village+Voice+Blogs%3A+Runnin%27+Scared%29

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/woman-clinging-life-shot-cops-brooklyn-article-1.1095976

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/nyregion/woman-shot-by-police-in-brooklyn-after-car-crash.html?ref=nyregion

[slackmaster]

3. She was obviously NOT unarmed!

Good grief.

BTW, the laws that define justifiable use of deadly force have NO REQUIREMENT for any kind of parity in armaments. Police shoot unarmed people EVERY DAY and are almost always found to have been justified in doing so.

Real life isn't some corny Kung Fu movie. When you find yourself in a FIGHT and you happen to have the upper hand because you have a sword and your opponent doesn't, you DON'T pause and throw the person a sword just to make it an honorable and "fair" fight.

I'm really tired of headlines blathering on about someone shooting an unarmed person. The things that justify use of deadly force all have to do with OVERT BEHAVIOR, which does not necessarily involve a weapon. Many people have been killed with bare hands.

[leftyohiolib]

4. an unarmed woman driving? how do u drive with no arms?

[wingzeroday]

23. related

[leftyohiolib]

30. i stand corrected - thank you

[wingzeroday]

31. np

[Sanity Claws]

5. A car is a weapon

She had already hit one vehicle and was now driving in reverse.
She may not have had a gun but the car was being used as a weapon, as well as a getaway car.

I'm not a fan of the NYPD but I'm not seeing this as police brutality.

[Tejas]

7. Yes, she was a selfish idiot, could have killed innocent people.

Good shoot.

[DainBramaged]

13. There is no suc thing as a good shoot,

Good shoot my ass. I wonder if they would have shot her if she was blond?

[Tejas]

18. Aw, the poor dead carjacker...

...didn't get to endanger any more lives, let's all weep together.

[DainBramaged]

24. Shame on you

become invisible. It's a shame you hold life in such comtempt.

[Occulus]

26. " Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA"

Knock me over with a feather....

[PavePusher]

36. Which has what to do with the article in the O.P? n/t

[Tejas]

38. Your only post in this thread is TROLLing me?

Did you have any opinion of the subject at hand or is stalking all you do?

[PavePusher]

33. The car thief seems to be the one holding other's lives in contempt.

And you seem to support that.

Why?

From the article in the O.P.:

After police spotted her in the stolen car, she ran some red lights on Church Street and crossed a double yellow line to pass cars near 38th St. At that point, she slammed into a minivan and attempted to get out of the car on the passenger’s side. By that point cops had surrounded the car. When she opened the door, it struck an officer.

Unable to escape through the passenger’s door, she got back into the driver’s seat and attempted to back up. But by then another officer, Detective Phillip Atkins, was entering the driver’s side. He was holding his gun, which discharged as she was hitting the gas. Police spokesman Paul Browne says it’s too early to tell whether Atkins meant to fire or it was an accident.

According to The New York Times:

The woman had an extensive criminal record, Mr. Browne said, with eight arrests. She had been out on bail, Mr. Browne said, and was scheduled to appear in court on Friday on charges of kidnapping, attempted murder, possession of a loaded weapon and burglary. On May 5, 2011, Mr. Browne said, the woman was arrested in a burglary, in which she and two others — armed with a silver revolver — forced their way into the Brooklyn home of a 29-year-old man, ordered him to tell them the location of money and shot him four times

[Tejas]

37. Is your mother or sister in prison for carjacking?

You seem to have so much more compassion for the criminal than innocent bystanders.....why?

[justabob]

28. indeed, car=weapon

Cars can be and are sited as the weapon in an assault/aggravated assault charge all the time.

[IamK]

6. a car can be a deadly weapon n/t

[jberryhill]

8. "after she tried to drive backwards as two officers were entering the vehicle"

I suppose she was re-positioning the car to make it easier for them to get in.

Either that or she was attempting to injure or kill them.

[Meiko]

9. If you try to run over a cop

you will be shot, that rule seems to be pretty much written in stone...and I don't blame the cops.

[bighart]

10. Sounds like it was justified.

[w4rma]

16. I completely agree with the police on this.

The woman had an extensive criminal record, Mr. Browne said, with eight arrests. She had been out on bail, Mr. Browne said, and was scheduled to appear in court on Friday on charges of kidnapping, attempted murder, possession of a loaded weapon and burglary. On May 5, 2011, Mr. Browne said, the woman was arrested in a burglary, in which she and two others — armed with a silver revolver — forced their way into the Brooklyn home of a 29-year-old man, ordered him to tell them the location of money and shot him four times.

[heaven05]

11. if

if all allegations and rap sheets surrounding this person are true, she put herself in harms way. she only has herself to blame in this situation.. sounds like self defense on cops part. sad she was so young , what brought her to this point i wonder

[jade3000]

12. But did it warrant the death penalty?

Yes, she clearly wasn't the greatest person in the world, but did any of her crimes warrant the death penalty she got. There's no evidence that the police were about to be seriously injured. She's driving a smashed up car in reverse. That should be a situation you can contain relatively quickly without killing anybody.

[slackmaster]

15. Please don't conflate use of force in self-defense with the administration of justice

They're not at all the same thing.

If a police officer were to shoot someone and announce that he had punished the person, the officer would be charged with murder.


BTW, it's not clear yet that this particular shooting was intentional.

[EFerrari]

17. Please don't conflate the cops' story with the facts.

You don't know if it was self-defense or not.

[slackmaster]

20. Based on the information presented, it was one of two things...

Self-defense, or an accidental shooting.

That's all the information I have right now.

[Fastcars]

19. Stopping a moving vehicle isn't very easy....

No matter the direction of travel.

I am one of the first to jump on the cops are too quick to shoot/tase/beat. But when you are driving 3-5,000 lbs of metal you are most definitely armed. How many people are killed each day by automobiles?

[Tejas]

21. This is Brooklyn, not Hollywood.

At least she didn't get a chance to kill anyone with that car.

[Tejas]

22. Carjacker runs over mother outside Pantego Christian Academy

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/carjacker-runs-over-mother-out.html/

Extra counselors are on hand today at Pantego Christian Academy a day after a carjacker ran over a student’s mother in the school’s parking lot.




Bad things can and do happen to innocent people.

[twitter1]

25. Not right

Another George Zimmerman?

[PavePusher]

35. Huh?

[Bacchus4.0]

27. she was due in court today for attempted murder and was driving a car-jacked car

Authorities said Davis was due in court Friday on a case involving kidnapping, attempted murder and gun possession. She also had nine prior arrests.

Police said the Toyota Camry she was driving was reported stolen in an armed carjacking on June 5.

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doesn't sound like a very innocent or sympathetic "victim".

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/06/15/tensions-rising-as-investigation-of-fatal-police-involved-shooting-of-unarmed-woman-continues/

[Nye Bevan]

29. Ooooh, the poor angel.

A woman was fatally shot by a plainclothes New York City police detective on Thursday after running a series of red lights in a stolen vehicle in Brooklyn, colliding head-on with a minivan, then scrambling to evade the police, the authorities said.

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(She) was scheduled to appear in court on Friday on charges of kidnapping, attempted murder, possession of a loaded weapon and burglary. On May 5, 2011, Mr. Browne said, the woman was arrested in a burglary, in which she and two others — armed with a silver revolver — forced their way into the Brooklyn home of a 29-year-old man, ordered him to tell them the location of money and shot him four times.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/15/nyregion/woman-shot-by-police-in-brooklyn-after-car-crash.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion

I have to say, I'm inclined to give the cops the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[Karl2000]

32. Really Sad

This is really sad because both parties in some ways are innocent.

[PavePusher]

34. Huh?