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imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:22 PM May 2016

Former Hillary Clinton press secretary: 'Peril' to underestimate Donald Trump

Source: CNN

Former Hillary Clinton press secretary: 'Peril' to underestimate Donald Trump
By Jake Tapper and Tal Kopan, CNN
Updated 1:01 PM ET, Fri May 13, 2016

Washington (CNN) — A former spokesman for Hillary Clinton is sounding off on Donald Trump -- and warning Democrats not to underestimate him.

Jay Carson was Clinton's 2008 press secretary and worked for her family's foundation, and he recently took to Instagram to sound the alarm on the GOP presumptive nominee.

"Here's the bad news -- this guy can win the general election pretty damn easily," Carson, who is now a producer on the Netflix series "House of Cards" and a Principal at Bloomberg Associates, wrote on his private account. "I hear far too many of my liberal friends calling him a 'joke' and acting like the general (election) is in the bag which is nuts because he's dangerous and he has a path to victory."

Carson told Democrats that underestimating Trump would be perilous.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-peril/index.html


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-peril/index.html

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Former Hillary Clinton press secretary: 'Peril' to underestimate Donald Trump (Original Post) imagine2015 May 2016 OP
It is important to remember whoever the GOP candidate is starts Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Thankfully we have the EC and the popular count is meaningless apnu May 2016 #22
I don't think Hillary will do anything other then take trump seriously yeoman6987 May 2016 #26
I have not underestimated this hate-mongering lunatic from day one. as I keep pointing out, niyad May 2016 #2
The same bit that most Republicans said at the start of their primaries... TipTok May 2016 #3
I do think he can win...And as soon as the two parties start going at each other in the GE... C Moon May 2016 #4
America LOVES actors and a show. lark May 2016 #5
True. Don't underestimate the actor factor Roy Rolling May 2016 #15
I have warned about him as the RW demagogue but I like the 'actor factor' better. pampango May 2016 #24
I think it's equally foolish to overestimate Hillary Clinton. I think a big part of the problem Gene Debs May 2016 #6
My irony meter just exploded. TwilightZone May 2016 #12
Hillary Cant Beat Trump Easily Like Bernie Can billhicks76 May 2016 #18
Perilous! Terrorizing! Fearsome! BE AFRAID!! Bodych May 2016 #7
Being wary of something with good reason is always smarter than being cocksure. The Gene Debs May 2016 #9
You go right ahead and live in paralyzing fear. Bodych May 2016 #10
Sadly, chervilant May 2016 #14
Bernie doesn't fear Trump. He's ready to pound Trump into the dust. imagine2015 May 2016 #11
Totally agree Bodych May 2016 #13
Trump and the Repubs Angel Martin May 2016 #16
Sanders "is weak on counter-terrorism and national security." imagine2015 May 2016 #20
I get my ideas from old time Angel Martin May 2016 #21
Kerry All Over Again billhicks76 May 2016 #25
Red-baiting is what conservatives do. Lying about Dems is also what they do. That's 2. arcane1 May 2016 #28
tell it to salon.com Angel Martin May 2016 #33
Tell it to hillary. Gregorian May 2016 #8
We all have to realize that Hillary vs. Trump would be a hard choice. Do you go with the A Simple Game May 2016 #17
If one had to vote, Thespian2 May 2016 #32
Ahh, the lesser of two evils theory. I voted by that for years. A Simple Game May 2016 #34
Trump Easily Addresses Clinton/Bush Alliance and Quasi-Nepotism Weaknesses billhicks76 May 2016 #19
I've been saying the same thing for months. Trump can beat Hillary and Bernie. WhoWoodaKnew May 2016 #23
How convenient. n/t arcane1 May 2016 #27
It is, if the Democratic nominee is indeed Hillary. forest444 May 2016 #29
Lots of DU posters think Clinton has it in the bag tabasco May 2016 #30
My brain tells me it should be a shoo in Bradical79 May 2016 #31

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
1. It is important to remember whoever the GOP candidate is starts
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

with an advantage based on the millions who will be illegally prevented from voting because of unconstitutional, illegal voter ID laws.

Add to that the votes that will be lost, miscounted by GOP controlled districts and personnel, and Drumpf starts out in the lead by several million votes as to the popular count.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
22. Thankfully we have the EC and the popular count is meaningless
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

If the 2000 debacle taught us anything that was it.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. I don't think Hillary will do anything other then take trump seriously
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:11 PM
May 2016

But right now she is in the primary with Bernie.

niyad

(113,318 posts)
2. I have not underestimated this hate-mongering lunatic from day one. as I keep pointing out,
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

hitler was underestimated, dismissed as a joke in many circles. look how that worked out for the world.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
4. I do think he can win...And as soon as the two parties start going at each other in the GE...
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

the GOP will fall in line behind Trump—Ryan already has.

lark

(23,102 posts)
5. America LOVES actors and a show.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

Look at Reagan and Schwartzenegger (sp?) . No experience, terrible politicians, but elected because of their acting ability. Trump says whatever the audience wants, then changes it the next day, and then changes it again the week after. They just don't care. He's Youge and that's what's important to them. He's the result of the dumbing of America, ignorant people don't pay close attention but love the big show.

He's extremely dangerous and I think will try to bankrupt the country and steal our $$. It's what he's always done before and he's craven enough to have no conscience, so think he's trying to do it again, only on a really large scale.

He's both scary and dangerous and could be our own Hitler? That's why it's so important that every non-batshit crazy person votes for whoever is running against him, be it Bernie (hopefully) or HRC.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
15. True. Don't underestimate the actor factor
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

Donald understands the show biz creed, "The most important thing is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made."

pampango

(24,692 posts)
24. I have warned about him as the RW demagogue but I like the 'actor factor' better.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

We should not underestimate demagogues or actors. They can be great campaigners even if they would make lousy presidents.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
6. I think it's equally foolish to overestimate Hillary Clinton. I think a big part of the problem
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

lies in the way that her most breathless supporters simply cannot fathom that everybody doesn't see her as the most awesome thing in the history of awesome the way they do. Their blinders are going to be a big problem.

Bodych

(133 posts)
7. Perilous! Terrorizing! Fearsome! BE AFRAID!!
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

What an election we Dems are running on: we pulled out the always-reliable fear card, which is our new Trump card. It's all we've got, isn't it?

Funny that the opposing party members don't seem to have that same mind-numbing, paralyzing fear: Are we even talking about the same candidate?

In any event, I won't be intimidated any longer with this fear crap, which has been the main staple of American life since September 11, 2001.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
9. Being wary of something with good reason is always smarter than being cocksure. The
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

"opposing party members don't seem to have that same mind-numbing, paralyzing fear" because they're too goddamn stupid to have the sense to be afraid of anything.

If you think there's absolutely no cause for even slight concern, you're living in a delusion bubble.

Bodych

(133 posts)
10. You go right ahead and live in paralyzing fear.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

If you think the millions of opposing party members who vote for Trump are "too goddamn stupid", you're clueless about your fellow Americans. You keep up that divide-and-conquer attitude about your neighbors, the mockery, the incredible disdain.

Goose-step to that tune, as a matter of fact. Dance to it in your dreams. You'll go far, I'm sure.

Talk about living in a delusion bubble.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
14. Sadly,
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

there's a lot of "Democrats" who think that way. I hardly recognize the Democratic Party du jour.

Welcome to DU.

#NotMeUs

#BernieOrBust

#DropOutHillary

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
11. Bernie doesn't fear Trump. He's ready to pound Trump into the dust.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

Bernie is a tough and strong candidate without all the baggage and distrust of Secretary Clinton.

She's not a fighter against the billionaires like Trump.

And she's out of touch with the working class that will decide who is elected President.

Bodych

(133 posts)
13. Totally agree
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

Sanders' attitude is fearless, which is something the rest of us should respect...and emulate. That's not part of the Clinton strategy, however.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
16. Trump and the Repubs
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

will pound Sanders into a motionless heap.

Sure he represents change on the economy. His problem is that he is weak on counter-terrorism and national security.

Someone who spent the entire Cold War cheering on the other side, and thinks terrorism is caused by climate change, is not a credible Commander in Chief.

A competitive Democratic candidate should represent change, and be a plausible CIC.

Neither Clinton or Sanders qualify.

I suggest James Webb.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
20. Sanders "is weak on counter-terrorism and national security."
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

That sounds like the line Trump will use against whoever the Democratic candidate is. They use the same, old tiring line every four years.

And this sounds even more like the line of bull shit that Trump would use against Bernie: "Someone who spent the entire Cold War cheering on the other side, and thinks terrorism is caused by climate change, is not a credible Commander in Chief."

That won't fly anymore than the propaganda hit piece about Obama being a Kenyan born communist follower of Islam!

Angel Martin .... Where did you get those anti-Sanders talking points from?

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
21. I get my ideas from old time
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

populist democrats, who actually did things to maintain blue collar incomes, and were willing to send our military against the enemies of this country.

In terms of Sanders past statements on cold War opponents, I got them from that well known right wing source known as Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/bernie_sanders_has_a_big_problem_why_his_decades_old_statements_about_castro_sandinistas_are_trouble/

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
25. Kerry All Over Again
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:07 PM
May 2016

We don't need someone who wore a uniform. It's unnecessary. That's just your fears talking. We need personal strength. Like Bernie.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
28. Red-baiting is what conservatives do. Lying about Dems is also what they do. That's 2.
Fri May 13, 2016, 06:49 PM
May 2016

Your true colors are showing.

Angel Martin

(942 posts)
33. tell it to salon.com
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:57 PM
May 2016
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/bernie_sanders_has_a_big_problem_why_his_decades_old_statements_about_castro_sandinistas_are_trouble/

they have figured there is a big problem there.

For some people it will take until Nov 8, I guess


At one point I thought, maybe if Sanders chose a really strong military figure for VP...


It won't work. Bentsen was a war hero and conservative Democrat, but it didn't help Dukakis.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
17. We all have to realize that Hillary vs. Trump would be a hard choice. Do you go with the
Fri May 13, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

billionaire that uses politicians, or the politician that uses billionaires? How do you decide?

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
32. If one had to vote,
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:47 PM
May 2016

the calculation would be determining who you dislike more...then cast your vote for the one you think is a bit less evil...

Of course, one does not have to vote...

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
34. Ahh, the lesser of two evils theory. I voted by that for years.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

I finally realized the lesser evil is still evil. Then I realized there is a 3rd choice 4th choice, etc.

I will now only vote for the most liberal candidate available. It's the only way the best, or worse, candidate can get elected, by voting for them.

I most certainly do not subscribe to the "if you don't vote for A you are helping B to win. No, the only way you help B win is by voting for B. If I vote for C I am helping C win, not B. It only requires the simplest of logic. Then there are the "if you don't vote" people that claim by not voting you are actually voting for the wrong candidate. Do these people actually listen to themselves?

To simplify how I determine who to vote for, I will no longer vote against someone, I will always try to find someone to vote for. Just seems to make more sense to me. What I mean is, if I don't like either of you, why would or should I vote for either of you? That is not to say I don't have criteria that will automatically eliminate a candidate, I do, I will no longer consider a pro-war candidate for any position. Surprising how much that speeds up the process.

I probably won't live to see it but I expect the two party system to collapse within a few years anyway, both major parties are showing signs of breaking up and have been for a few years. Hopefully it does, In a country this diverse there should be more parties and a coalition system makes much more sense and is more likely to get fair laws enacted. Both major parties are already actually minority parties with unaffiliated being the major "party."

WhoWoodaKnew

(847 posts)
23. I've been saying the same thing for months. Trump can beat Hillary and Bernie.
Fri May 13, 2016, 04:47 PM
May 2016

The guy is an expert at manipulating people. It's the undecideds, as usual, that will determine the election. They're not like us. They don't pay attention like we do. They can easily get caught up in the Trump excitement.

Best used car salesman of our generation.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
29. It is, if the Democratic nominee is indeed Hillary.
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

Because if it had been Bernie Sanders, it would be a different story - to say nothing if Biden parachutes in.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
30. Lots of DU posters think Clinton has it in the bag
Fri May 13, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

They are woefully over-optimistic. It's going to be close.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
31. My brain tells me it should be a shoo in
Fri May 13, 2016, 08:33 PM
May 2016

Looking at the demographics, and the intense dislike for him on a general level tells me he should have no chance. But I also thought there was no way in hell the Republicans would nominate him in the first place, so I don't know anymore.

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