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question everything

(47,487 posts)
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:49 PM May 2016

Dayton Signs Bill Switching Minnesota To Presidential Primary

Source: CBS Minnesota

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) — A bill to replace Minnesota’s caucus system with a presidential primary was signed Sunday by Gov. Mark Dayton.

Lawmakers introduced the measure this year after voters expressed frustration with overcrowding and long lines at caucus sites across the state... Voters voiced their concerns about the presidential caucus and lawmakers took action.

(snip)

For the first time in years, Minnesota’s caucuses mattered. The state’s stake became clear as the number of candidates making campaign stops continued to grow ahead of March 1. The build reached a breaking point that day when voters showed up to caucus.

(snip)

“We’re going to have more people able to participate,” Political expert David Schultz said.

Hamline University Political Science Professor David Schultz says primaries open the door to same-day registration, absentee voting and more flexibility. “Nationally, primaries generally speak louder than caucuses in terms of having an imprint of selection for the presidential nominee,” Schultz said.


Read more: http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/05/22/dayton-bill-presidential-primary/





Good bye driving in the cold and the dark in the middle of a Minnesota winter night.

Hello voting in the middle of the day, or absentee.


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Dayton Signs Bill Switching Minnesota To Presidential Primary (Original Post) question everything May 2016 OP
Democracy wins out over bullying every time. That's great news. George II May 2016 #1
Can Washington be next, please? LisaM May 2016 #4
Hillary probably would have won MN if it was a primary. Renew Deal May 2016 #2
why? azurnoir May 2016 #5
Same reason she won the Nebraska primary and lost the Nebraska Caucus Renew Deal May 2016 #7
ah those trusty mail ins always dependable - right? azurnoir May 2016 #9
Oregon is 100% mail-in. TwilightZone May 2016 #43
and now WASHINGTON STATE PRIMARY DLCWIdem May 2016 #73
Maybe if more people knew about Wellstone and Sierra Blanca. He's a hero there DLCWIdem May 2016 #21
what about Bill Clinton who signed the bill allowing it into law? azurnoir May 2016 #23
they found another site and Sanders sent it through. he also fought against Wellstone directly. DLCWIdem May 2016 #26
Bill Clinton was POTUS and signed the bill that created Sierra Blanca with full knowledge of what he azurnoir May 2016 #29
credit where credit is due DLCWIdem May 2016 #70
and by the way who's waste was it. Vermont's waste and guess who was on the board and got DLCWIdem May 2016 #30
I don't think so. She lost the Wisconsin primary Eric J in MN May 2016 #6
Wisconsin is schizophrenic as hell. Chicago1980 May 2016 #14
Walker instigated a very bad voter i.d law. it disenfranchises alot of people. DLCWIdem May 2016 #24
A combined 1,000,000 plus democrats voted in the Wisconsin primary. Chicago1980 May 2016 #27
no they didn't. DLCWIdem May 2016 #32
I'll rephrase... Chicago1980 May 2016 #67
hey I'm agreeing with you. DLCWIdem May 2016 #69
Gotcha... Chicago1980 May 2016 #72
By the way there may be good news on the way. DLCWIdem May 2016 #34
She lost the Wisconsin primary by double digits jfern May 2016 #46
Nope. I live in MN. truthisfreedom May 2016 #47
It will be an open primary Eric J in MN May 2016 #3
Wouldn't that lead to confusion? Renew Deal May 2016 #8
the open caucus didn't so why would an open primary? azurnoir May 2016 #10
The ballot. Not the open primary. Renew Deal May 2016 #17
Nope not with ballot either azurnoir May 2016 #19
Looks like the voting machines an reject overvotes Renew Deal May 2016 #25
If we gave folks an opportunity to vote against Trump... stone space May 2016 #54
The ballot for the MN US Senate primary Eric J in MN May 2016 #13
People there may be used to it. Renew Deal May 2016 #18
We had people trying to vote for both. not a good idea DLCWIdem May 2016 #22
But will you have to be registered in either party, or will undeclared voters get to vote? Fla Dem May 2016 #57
Good... Chicago1980 May 2016 #11
Great! ReRe May 2016 #12
... Chicago1980 May 2016 #15
Because independents help PAY for them Duckhunter935 May 2016 #31
Independents can join a party if they want. Adrahil May 2016 #51
Independents can vote in their own primary CreekDog May 2016 #53
So when do we have Independent Primaries? ReRe May 2016 #33
+1. Independents absolutely should not be able to vote in a party primary. tarheelsunc May 2016 #49
+2 Sanders has been complaining about closed primaries question everything May 2016 #60
It will be open. Eric J in MN May 2016 #16
So that decision... ReRe May 2016 #36
Whether a state has open primaries Eric J in MN May 2016 #55
Thanks... ReRe May 2016 #58
Not unconstitutional ISUGRADIA May 2016 #64
But if they are "Independents"... ReRe May 2016 #65
Why have primaries, period? rusty fender May 2016 #66
We have Primaries to whittle... ReRe May 2016 #68
They will be in MN you do not have to declare a party azurnoir May 2016 #20
Well, alrighty then... ReRe May 2016 #38
Honestly maybe I'm just spoiled but I would consider such a question on a voter registration form azurnoir May 2016 #39
What? ReRe May 2016 #40
no such questions are asked by anyone I think we're kind of our own up here azurnoir May 2016 #42
When someone at the polls... ReRe May 2016 #45
IR is no more ISUGRADIA May 2016 #71
This is why it will be an open primary question everything May 2016 #61
It is a Closed Primary and personal information will be public Equinox Moon May 2016 #28
We'll have to ask for a Republican or Democratic ballot Eric J in MN May 2016 #59
I thought that you get one ballot question everything May 2016 #62
Unfortunately, MN will do it differently for pres primaries then for US Senate primaries. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #63
caucuses are better suited to small states bluestateguy May 2016 #35
K&R nt silvershadow May 2016 #37
Do Clintonites Support Paper Ballots? billhicks76 May 2016 #41
We have them in Maryland (Montgomery County) Kingofalldems May 2016 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #44
Sigh so Bullying wins huh PatrynXX May 2016 #48
Good. Caucuses are stupid. NT Adrahil May 2016 #50
Thank you, Governor! Odin2005 May 2016 #52

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
7. Same reason she won the Nebraska primary and lost the Nebraska Caucus
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:02 PM
May 2016

more people participated in the primary.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. what about Bill Clinton who signed the bill allowing it into law?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

On 16 September 1997, the U.S. House of Representatives stopped the Texas-Vermont-Maine compact in a vote of 243 to 176. This marked the first time nuclear disposal had even been debated as a possibly negative solution. Governor Bush wanted the compact reintroduced; his forces combined with that of the nuclear lobby made sure it was passed when next voted on in 1997.
When President Bill Clinton signed the bill into law, Addington and allies went directly to the media. Sources such as the Washington Post and the New York Times reported on the “environmental racism” of the Sierra Blanca case. 60% of the town’s residents were poor and Latino, yet the compact and the TLLRWDA’s environmental report had not been translated into Spanish and distributed. The state department had already been receiving pressure from the Mexican government, and the negative American press did not help.
On 16 April 1998, several months before the Texas Radioactive Waste Bill was set to go before Congress, Mexico’s Green Ecologist Party announced that several of its members and the Mexico City councilman Jose Luis Rodriguez began a 24-day hunger strike. They spent the duration of the strike on the bridge between Juarez, Mexico, and El Paso, Texas. They carried letters of protest from Mexican Congressmen, which pointed to the violation of the La Paz Treaty.

https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/texans-defend-sierra-blanca-community-against-nuclear-waste-disposal-1996-1998

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. Bill Clinton was POTUS and signed the bill that created Sierra Blanca with full knowledge of what he
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:34 PM
May 2016

was doing, he could have vetoed it but chose not to, did Hilary protest it or did she support Bill?

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
70. credit where credit is due
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

Since the laws go thru the Congress and end up on the Pres' s desk is there any other law the the " amendment king" actively pursued which he wants to transfer credit ( responsibility ) to the President.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
30. and by the way who's waste was it. Vermont's waste and guess who was on the board and got
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

paid for it Jane Sanders. Deflection doesn't work, he stripped Wellstone's environmental racism provisions from the admendment.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
14. Wisconsin is schizophrenic as hell.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

The voted for Walker three times and the night of the primary the voted for some whack-ass state Supreme Court justice that Walker picked.

Using that state as an example of sanity probably isn't the wisest.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
27. A combined 1,000,000 plus democrats voted in the Wisconsin primary.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:32 PM
May 2016

That's nearly 67,000 more than the combined republicans.

That crazy ass conservative hack of a judge still won, and there's no excuse for that.

Yes, Walker signed voter I.D. laws, but the left didn't vote down ballot the way they should have.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
69. hey I'm agreeing with you.
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

Bernie's voters did not vote the down ticket while Hill's did. Theres a thread in here with actual stats if you want to look.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
34. By the way there may be good news on the way.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:44 PM
May 2016

There's a court case to overturn it and its looking good. I have an article on another thread its on my journal page.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
3. It will be an open primary
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:57 PM
May 2016

...but with separate ballots for Democrats and Republicans.

I prefer the system for the MN US Senate primary: same ballot for everyone. Voters mark candidates in the Democratic box or Republican box but not both.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
25. Looks like the voting machines an reject overvotes
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

"Namely, the optical scan voting machines in so-called precinct count precincts are programmed to reject or kick back to voters overvoted and entirely blank ballots."

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~herron/mn.pdf

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
54. If we gave folks an opportunity to vote against Trump...
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

...at the Iowa Democratic Caucus, I suspect that some caucusgoers at my precinct might have taken the opportunity to do so.

I can't imagine disregarding somebody's choice in the Democratic Caucus simply because they felt inclined to oppose Trump at a Democratic Caucus, after being offered the opportunity to do so.

Giving Democrats the opportunity to oppose somebody like Trump in a Democratic Caucus or a Democratic Primary, only to use that against them as an excuse to disregard their choice in their own party seems counterproductive to me.

Some caucusgoers and voters are likely to feel like they have been tricked into invalidating their own choice in their own party.

Wagging a finger at them for not reading the ballot carefully enough or for not understanding caucus rules better will not make anybody feel more included in the party process. Indeed, it is more likely to make them feel excluded and disenfranchised.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
13. The ballot for the MN US Senate primary
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:08 PM
May 2016

...says on it: Vote in either box below but not both.

I haven't heard that there is an overvote problem.

Fla Dem

(23,692 posts)
57. But will you have to be registered in either party, or will undeclared voters get to vote?
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Isn't that decision left up to each state party? I thought each state's political party gets to define who can vote in their primaries.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. Great!
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:07 PM
May 2016

Now if they can figure out how to convince the state Democratic Party (DNC) bosses to allow the Primaries to be open (where EVERYONE can vote, not just regular Dems, but Independents too,) then you might have more of a democracy.
Congratulations, Minnesota. You're getting closer to the real thing!

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
15. ...
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

Why should they be open?

It's a democratic primary, not an independent primary.

You want to chose the nominee for said party then join that party.

Everyone can vote if they register correctly.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
31. Because independents help PAY for them
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

You want them closed, have the party pick up 100% of the cost

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
51. Independents can join a party if they want.
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:20 AM
May 2016

This is like those dumb arguments that people without kids shouldn't pay taxes for schools, but worse.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
33. So when do we have Independent Primaries?
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

As far as I know, the only time Independents can vote in a Primary is if that state Dem Party has an open election.

That rule right there needs to be shot. Like about 1,000,000,000 times. If this is a democracy, then let the effing people vote!

Limiting people's right to vote isn't very Democratic, Chicago. What is it about democracy that you don't like?

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
49. +1. Independents absolutely should not be able to vote in a party primary.
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:57 AM
May 2016

If you're not a member of the party, why would you care who the party's nominee is? The only thing having primaries be open accomplishes is setting us up to get trolled by Republicans and people who want to see our party fail.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
60. +2 Sanders has been complaining about closed primaries
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:58 PM
May 2016

and the "vote suppression" when his lawsuit in New York did not open them.

These are primaries, or even caucuses, that are supposed to select the party nominees. Why should voters who do not declare that they are Democrats be part of this?

I once participated in an open primary in California. I voted for the weakest Republican candidate against Boxer. Did not matter, though..

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
16. It will be open.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

It isn't the decision of the DNC if states have open primaries but I would like that to be a goal in the party platform (just as the DNC doesn't decide the minimum wage but I'd like $15/hour to be a goal in the party platform.)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
36. So that decision...
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:50 PM
May 2016

... to have open or closed Dem Primaries is decided by the Democratic Party Platform? I wonder how they make that decision from one state to the next, where one state has closed Primaries and another has open Primaries? I am looking so forward to watching the Platform Committee meeting this year. I've watched it in the past, but it seemed long and drawn out and boring. This year's ought to be gangbusters to watch.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
55. Whether a state has open primaries
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

...or closed primaries is a matter of state law, decided by the governor and legislature of each state.

The Democratic Party could recommend open primaries in its platform.

That might influence Democratic governors to try to change the law if their states currently have closed primaries.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
58. Thanks...
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

Don't states realize that by designating their state's Primary as closed that they are disenfranchising Independents from their vote? How is it constitutional to bar certain voters from participating in the election process?

ISUGRADIA

(2,571 posts)
64. Not unconstitutional
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

A voter may register with the party in order to vote in that primary election.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
65. But if they are "Independents"...
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

... they're shite out of luck. Why don't they just outlaw "Independents?"

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
39. Honestly maybe I'm just spoiled but I would consider such a question on a voter registration form
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:54 PM
May 2016

an invasion of privacy

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
42. no such questions are asked by anyone I think we're kind of our own up here
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:59 PM
May 2016

the democratic party is DFL-Democratic Farmer Labor

even the Republicans are IR Independent republicans

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
45. When someone at the polls...
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:23 AM
May 2016

... asks me my party status, I almost want to tell them it's none of their business. If they need to know, why don't they know the answer already from when I first registered some one hundred thousand years ago? It's like asking someone how much money they have in the bank, or how much their paycheck is. Personally, I think all election rules should be the same, no matter where you live or vote. Universal.

ISUGRADIA

(2,571 posts)
71. IR is no more
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:18 PM
May 2016

They gave up the Independent part in the late 1990s and it's like every other Republican Party now.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
61. This is why it will be an open primary
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:04 PM
May 2016

You get a ballot, one side lists Republican candidates and the other the Democrat. No one knows which side you are using.

This was a concern expressed by some that when you register at a closed primary there is a "record" of which one you participated.

Of course, there could be a "record" of which caucus you participated, since there were separate ones for each party...


Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
28. It is a Closed Primary and personal information will be public
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:33 PM
May 2016

People can register on primary day, but must declare either dem or repub. and the information is public. This prevents anyone wanting privacy from voting in the primary.

Not good from that stand point.

Minnesota will also keep it's caucuses, just not on the same day as the primary.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
59. We'll have to ask for a Republican or Democratic ballot
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

...and that will be recorded.

But I consider it an open primary since we still won't have party registration and people who consider themselves Independents can ask for a Republican or Democratic ballot.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
62. I thought that you get one ballot
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

with Democrats on one side, and Republicans on the other. At least, it has been like that with senate candidates and, I think, other state offices like governor, secretary of state, etc. And no one knows which side you filled..


bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
35. caucuses are better suited to small states
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:44 PM
May 2016

and not in the dead of winter. And there needs to be absentee voting allowed.

Response to question everything (Original post)

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
48. Sigh so Bullying wins huh
Mon May 23, 2016, 12:55 AM
May 2016

think Dayton turned into being a Conservative without anyone looking. I think it'll fall apart..

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