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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:10 AM May 2016

Jeremy Corbyn preparing to call for Tony Blair to be investigated for war crimes

Source: The Telegraph

Jeremy Corbyn is preparing to call for Tony Blair to be investigated for war crimes in the wake of a damning Chilcot report into Britain's involvement in the Iraq War, the Telegraph understands.

The former Labour Prime Minister's reputation is expected to be seriously "damaged" by the upcoming Inquiry, according to a senior source who has discussed the report with its authors.

It is understood that Mr Corbyn will not row back from calls he made last year for Mr Blair to stand trial for war crimes if he is found to have broken the law over the 2003 conflict.

At the time the Labour leader said Mr Blair will have to "explain" his involvement in the Iraq war once the Inquiry is published on 6 July, less than a fortnight after the EU referendum. A Labour spokesperson said yesterday: "We look forward to the release of the Chilcot report into the Iraq War and reading the evidence he has uncovered ."They confirmed Mr Corbyn stands by his previous remarks.


Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/jeremy-corbyn-preparing-to-call-for-tony-blair-to-be-investigate/



From Aug 2015:

Jeremy Corbyn: Tony Blair could face war crimes trial over 'illegal Iraq invasion'

Tony Blair could be made to stand trial for war crimes, according to the current Labour leadership contender Jeremy Corbyn.

The veteran left winger said the former prime minister was reaching the point when he was going to have to deal with the consequences of his actions with the coming Chilcot inquiry report.

“I think it was an illegal war,” he said in an interview with BBC2's Newsnight adding that former UN secretary general had confirmed that. “Therefore he (Blair) has to explain that,” Corbyn said.

“We went into a war that was catastrophic, that was illegal, that cost us a lot of money, that lost a lot of lives,” he added. “The consequences are still played out with migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, refugees all over the region,” he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-tony-blair-could-face-war-crimes-trial-over-illegal-iraq-invasion-10439020.html
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Jeremy Corbyn preparing to call for Tony Blair to be investigated for war crimes (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III May 2016 OP
I will wait to celebrate until this is confirmed Kelvin Mace May 2016 #1
Chilcot report: Tony Blair set to be savaged in ‘absolutely brutal’ Iraq war inquiry verdict Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #10
Nah. Nancy Pelosi --- "Impeachment is off the table." Hoppy May 2016 #16
Trump might go after Bush, Hillary never would, Bill wouldn't allow it tularetom May 2016 #17
For all the guilt Bush has, does America need yet another divisive sh**fest ? And for what ? OnDoutside May 2016 #19
Yes -- people need to be held accountable for their crimes. onwardsand upwards May 2016 #22
Do you have a baseline number on that ? OnDoutside May 2016 #29
Sure, let's allow war criminals to walk. Seeking justice might upset too many people. BillZBubb May 2016 #27
He needs to answer for his crimes at the Hague WhiteTara May 2016 #28
It is delusional to think Trump will do anything except cut business regulations & stroke his ego. FSogol May 2016 #25
You mean Great Britain's PMs don't have a pact never to prosecute each other the liberal_at_heart May 2016 #2
Corbyn is leader of the opposition. But the Crown Prosecution Service acts independent of Betty Karlson May 2016 #8
Yes. That, in the USA, the executive can and does directly influence Ghost Dog May 2016 #13
There is no proper Rule of Law in the U.S.! Dustlawyer May 2016 #21
Blair knew this was coming. pa28 May 2016 #3
It might have been a reason, but the bigger issue is that Corbyn is unelectable OnDoutside May 2016 #14
Holy shit shenmue May 2016 #4
Hillary's Stance? billhicks76 May 2016 #5
Glad to hear it's not "off the table." villager May 2016 #6
Yes! pmorlan1 May 2016 #7
There was a Channel 4 Drama abour Blair being prosecuted by the ICC. Bad Dog May 2016 #9
This will cause the Blairites to push even harder for Corbyn's ouster Ken Burch May 2016 #11
Can't disagree T_i_B May 2016 #18
... Ironing Man May 2016 #20
I disagree about the Blairites T_i_B May 2016 #32
A country holding its elected officials accountable? How bizarre. Skwmom May 2016 #12
K & R The consequences of the Iraq War just keep coming. merrily May 2016 #15
Damned liberals! Let one win an election, and this is what happens. Gregorian May 2016 #23
Corbyn confuses me Blue_Tires May 2016 #24
Putin isn't a former British PM who started an illegal war. Nice deflection. BillZBubb May 2016 #26
You'll be lucky.. Ironing Man May 2016 #30
Corbyn, like a great many on the left around the world, isn't afraid to criticize wrongdoing BillZBubb May 2016 #31
such a shallow argument LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #33

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
10. Chilcot report: Tony Blair set to be savaged in ‘absolutely brutal’ Iraq war inquiry verdict
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:19 AM
May 2016

Chilcot report: Tony Blair set to be savaged in ‘absolutely brutal’ Iraq war inquiry verdict

The long-awaited Chilcot report into the Iraq war is reportedly set to savage Tony Blair and other former government officials in an “absolutely brutal” verdict on the failings of the occupation.

The former Prime Minister “won’t be let off the hook” over claims he offered military assistance to the former American President George W Bush, a year before the invasion of Iraq, a source told the Sunday Times.

The Inquiry, which was set up by former Prime Minister Gordon Brown in June 2009 to look into the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, will release its 2.6 million word report just two weeks after the EU referendum. It is expected to “damage the reputations” of a number of high-ranking officials.

snip

The Iraq Inquiry will be based on the testimony of more than 150 witnesses, who contributed to more than 130 sessions of oral evidence. It also incorporates the results of the examination of 150,000 Government documents examined.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-report-tony-blair-set-to-be-savaged-in-absolutely-brutal-iraq-war-inquiry-verdict-a7041926.html


The report is gonna be brutal so this is why we are seeing these statements on Blair.

Let's hope for the best, it might help something start in the US against our war criminals.


Cross our fingers.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
16. Nah. Nancy Pelosi --- "Impeachment is off the table."
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:08 AM
May 2016

That was the only chance we had for even a hearing to consider impeachment.


Obama was just as useless. The A.G. could have been directed to investigate. Instead, we were "looking to the future."

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
17. Trump might go after Bush, Hillary never would, Bill wouldn't allow it
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:14 AM
May 2016

He's in the club, ya know. And he likes being in it.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
19. For all the guilt Bush has, does America need yet another divisive sh**fest ? And for what ?
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:32 AM
May 2016

He'd never be impeached anyway.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
27. Sure, let's allow war criminals to walk. Seeking justice might upset too many people.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

The laws are only for the "little people".

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
25. It is delusional to think Trump will do anything except cut business regulations & stroke his ego.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
2. You mean Great Britain's PMs don't have a pact never to prosecute each other the
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:14 AM
May 2016

way our presidents do? Good for them.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
8. Corbyn is leader of the opposition. But the Crown Prosecution Service acts independent of
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

both government and opposition. All Corbyn is doing is nudging some folks in the CPS to maybe investigate a certain former PM.

What is more telling, when it comes to PMs, is that neither Brown nor Cameron have felt a need to see Blair knighted. Practically all former British PMs have been knighted (or even elevated to nobility), but Blair has been overlooked, so far. It's almost as if his successors know something...

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
13. Yes. That, in the USA, the executive can and does directly influence
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:48 AM
May 2016

the judiciary implies there is no proper rule of law, and therefore no proper democracy, in the USA.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
21. There is no proper Rule of Law in the U.S.!
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:14 AM
May 2016

Just look to how the BP oil spill litigation is going. 2/3 of the victims in the Class Settlement got nothing and the 1/3 who did didn't get anything close to their losses. This is the same Class Settlement where the Court appointed Plaintiffs Steering Committee (PSC) gets $600,000,000 if the crappy class settlement makes it through to its miserable end without being overturned. Who could fight the settlement and overturn it, the PSC that's who, the same ones that would lose the $600 million if they did overturn it!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
3. Blair knew this was coming.
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:24 AM
May 2016

One of the reasons he worked night and day to prevent Corbyn from winning the race for opposition leader.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
14. It might have been a reason, but the bigger issue is that Corbyn is unelectable
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:08 AM
May 2016

It takes the Labour Party back to the days of Michael Foot. Not a happy time for them. Corbyn is only playing to his supporters in dragging this up, the reality is that it will go nowhere (which is a pity).

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
6. Glad to hear it's not "off the table."
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

Gosh, one might almost attribute it to the vestiges of a functioning democracy...

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
9. There was a Channel 4 Drama abour Blair being prosecuted by the ICC.
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:11 AM
May 2016

This is different, but most probably won't go anywhere. It's down to the CPS, but the serving prime minister can put pressure on them, and I doubt Cameron will want to set a precedent of prosecuting ex PMs, not after what he's been up to. So a lot will depend on Corbyn getting in. Until then we've always got satire.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. This will cause the Blairites to push even harder for Corbyn's ouster
Mon May 23, 2016, 03:02 AM
May 2016

and his replacement with someone who would obediently exonerate the Dear Former Leader, He Whose Infallible Brilliance Must Never Be Questioned.

If a second SDP is formed, you'll know why.

T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
18. Can't disagree
Mon May 23, 2016, 07:23 AM
May 2016

Labour is badly split as it is and for Corbyn to turn on Blair in this manner would only serve to make his position even weaker. He might well be better off staying aloof and letting the Blairites self destruct.

Ironing Man

(164 posts)
20. ...
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

i don't think the Blairites within the PLP will self-distruct over Blair, none of them have associated with him because of his toxicity since he left office, and none of them were remotely senior positions so its not as if they personally will get any stick. how many of them served at cabinet level under Blair?

they will say that the law should take its course, that if Blair is guilty (funny how you won't find people who can tell you exatly what laws they think Blair broke rather than the 'war is bad m'kay..' law) he should face the consequences, but that they can't really talk about current legal procedings. end of story...

Corbyn will do well to make hay from it for a time, it will shore up his support, but the truth is no outside the CND-left one cares - Blair went a decade ago, obsessing about him is yesterdays issue and eyes glaze over when the subject gets to Blair. Corbyn would be wise to not push the issue too hard, as while he might plan for the mud to stick to the blairites in the PLP, what might happen is that the mud just sticks to Labour.

to me, it looks a lot like Corbyn focussing on the internal battles within the party, rather than focussing on the electorate. do it for a week, get some publicity on his terms, but to bash on about forever would be a grave mistake - quite simply, the marginal/swing constituancies that Labour needs to win in 2020 aren't going to be swung over Blair and refighting the battles of 2003, and they will be increasingly put off what they see as obsessing about the past.



T_i_B

(14,738 posts)
32. I disagree about the Blairites
Mon May 23, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

The effect Blair had on Labour was profound, and the moderate wing of the party has never really been able to step out of his shadow. Something that's made worse by how many of them were special advisers and the like during the Blair years.

In fact one of many issues I have with the Blairites is how many of them appear to be still trapped in a 1990's timewarp.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
23. Damned liberals! Let one win an election, and this is what happens.
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

No wonder they cheat over here. Wouldn't want people to know the truth now.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
26. Putin isn't a former British PM who started an illegal war. Nice deflection.
Mon May 23, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

There is no Chilcot report on Putin's crimes. When there is, I sure Corbyn will address it.

Ironing Man

(164 posts)
30. You'll be lucky..
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

Corbyn, like a great many on the British left, appears to be somewhat blind to the offences of other countries and groups, and any fault he is forced to notice will be explained/mitigated/blamed on some element t of Western foreign policy...

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. Corbyn, like a great many on the left around the world, isn't afraid to criticize wrongdoing
Mon May 23, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

by his own country. Conservatives don't like it, if the criticism is an element of conservative policy.

Blair should face justice along with bush, cheney, et al.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
33. such a shallow argument
Mon May 23, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

More of the but but but ...look what they did! "logic"

Its like parents of terrible behaving children, and if they dare to work to punish and correct this behavior, being told..Why are they not seeing and speaking out about their neighbors children's behavior first!

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